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Post by CowboyGuy on May 21, 2008 15:31:22 GMT -5
Um....if Xander and Dracula hook up I will seriously stop reading these comics. That to me, would be going too far! Thrall or no thrall.
It would be much more acceptable and within the context of the characters for a Andrew/Dracula pairing. Plus, Andrew has always been the following type. He and Drac would hit it off!
Even with that said, I don't want Dracula to stick around...he's too aloof for me.
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Post by CowboyGuy on May 21, 2008 18:03:26 GMT -5
No I don't think so. I think Dracula is in love with Xander, but I don't think the feelings are returned. To me, it would seem much more out of character for Xander to have a same sex encounter than any other character in the 'verse.
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Post by alycat7 on May 21, 2008 18:17:03 GMT -5
Xander probably did hook up with Dracula. He was depressed, and vulnerable so it makes sense to me.
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Post by Skytteflickan88 on May 21, 2008 18:18:52 GMT -5
No I don't think so. I think Dracula is in love with Xander, but I don't think the feelings are returned. To me, it would seem much more out of character for Xander to have a same sex encounter than any other character in the 'verse. I think that season 7 Xander would be a bit anti-homo. I mean back then he couldn't even admit to a 100% that he's a geek, so i think he would need time to accept being gay. But it's been 18months between season 7 and season 8 so who knows. I would love for another Spuffish-relationship, since I think Dracula would be "up" for it  Xander turn Dracula on while turning him good. Hopefully, there would be no thrall. But perhaps that's better in a fanfic than in the comics... |
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Post by Skytteflickan88 on May 21, 2008 18:24:37 GMT -5
I would really like to know, from Joss himself, if that Dracula/Xander story from Tales of the vampires is true, because then I would know that a lot of the friendship between Dracula and Xander is about the thrall. I mean, in that story there was no question that Xander was... under a spell.
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Post by dane5by5 on May 22, 2008 5:38:55 GMT -5
I would really like to know, from Joss himself, if that Dracula/Xander story from Tales of the vampires is true, because then I would know that a lot of the friendship between Dracula and Xander is about the thrall. I mean, in that story there was no question that Xander was... under a spell. I think that's pretty much a given. I don't know why people want it to be confirmed by Joss as happening, to make it definite. I think part of the interest I have in this story is, what did happen, and the mystery surrounding that. If everything is so explicit there's really nothing to consider and ponder. It's obvious (to me anyway) that the way Andrew explained the situation was far from the truth. That said, I do have a soft spot for whatever is going on between Xander and Dracula, I find it highly amusing. Especially the scenes between them in WATG issue 2. If anything did happen between them, I think it would speak volumes more about Dracula than Xander. Although Xander seemed pretty open in First Date when he was telling Willow and the gang "Okay, I'm officially gay" and to "Gay me up". And once again, I'm dying for a preview. This time I think we'll have to wait longer, like we did for the last issue preview of NFFY. Oh well. Only two weeks. |
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Post by wenxina on May 22, 2008 9:55:22 GMT -5
I thought that the Tales of the Slayers, as well as Tales of the Vampires TBPs (so the entire contents) were considered canon.
Nevermind that Joss himself wrote some of those stories (for some fans, that's enough to make it canon), but many of those stories and characters have been referenced now, even in the Season 8 comics. Like in #5, where you see several of the Slayers from the Tales of the Slayers appear in the chain of Slayers.
And then there's the short Fray story that closed the Tales of the Slayers book. So I'd say that it probably is canon, even though I personally detest "Antique" as a story.
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Post by wenxina on May 22, 2008 9:57:45 GMT -5
Although Xander seemed pretty open in First Date when he was telling Willow and the gang "Okay, I'm officially gay" and to "Gay me up". And once again, I'm dying for a preview. This time I think we'll have to wait longer, like we did for the last issue preview of NFFY. Oh well. Only two weeks. Well, if we have to wait longer, than the preview would just come out the day before it was released. As for Xander's "Gay me up" bit... less "open" and more "ironic" was how I read the scene. |
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Post by Skytteflickan88 on May 22, 2008 10:10:49 GMT -5
I thought that the Tales of the Slayers, as well as Tales of the Vampires TBPs (so the entire contents) were considered canon. Nevermind that Joss himself wrote some of those stories (for some fans, that's enough to make it canon), but many of those stories and characters have been referenced now, even in the Season 8 comics. Like in #5, where you see several of the Slayers from the Tales of the Slayers appear in the chain of Slayers. And then there's the short Fray story that closed the Tales of the Slayers book. So I'd say that it probably is canon, even though I personally detest "Antique" as a story. Thanks Wenxina, you're probably right. I didn't think about the slayers in The Chain. |
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Post by El Diablo Robotico on May 22, 2008 14:53:09 GMT -5
Just to go back for a second to the discussion of Renee possibly being sired and then ensouled by Willow, there's one more reason it wouldn't work between her and Xander besides the stuff that's already been mentioned. Unless Willow has gotten so powerful that she knows of a different spell to do the job, she'd probably have to use the same one that she's used twice on Angel already. You know, the gypsy one that comes along with that pesky "perfect happiness" curse? If it was enough to get in the way between Buffy and Angel, what chance would Xander and Renee have?  |
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Post by Disgruntled Gremlin on May 22, 2008 15:19:01 GMT -5
Skytte, I'm with you 100% on the Xander/Drac "brrrr" factor. It's pretty clear that Xander is deep under Dracula's thrall when he's with him ("Antique"), which would render a sexual encounter between the two VERY non-consensual.
For Dracula, I wouldn't mind this: he's eeeevil, after all. However, for Xander, such an encounter would doubtless be traumatic, and would irreversibly damage the cuteness of their chemistry up to this point. I've been enjoying the fun banter between 'em, but if any shenanigans did go on, that sense of fun would immediately vanish, to be replaced by a creepy discomfort.
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Post by wenxina on May 22, 2008 15:51:29 GMT -5
Just to go back for a second to the discussion of Renee possibly being sired and then ensouled by Willow, there's one more reason it wouldn't work between her and Xander besides the stuff that's already been mentioned. Unless Willow has gotten so powerful that she knows of a different spell to do the job, she'd probably have to use the same one that she's used twice on Angel already. You know, the gypsy one that comes along with that pesky "perfect happiness" curse? If it was enough to get in the way between Buffy and Angel, what chance would Xander and Renee have? Excellent point. Except that given Xander's geekiness, and Renee's newfound joy of drywalling, comic books as well as geeky trivia, one would assume that the two of them could never watch an episode of Star Trek without Renee going all evil.  |
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Post by Skytteflickan88 on May 22, 2008 16:02:24 GMT -5
Let's not forget that Xander went to Dracula. He wasn't kidnapped. I'm to lazy to go check myself, when do we find out that Xander went willingly to Dracula, In antique or Andrew's speech? Because in Antique, it defintly seems as if Xander's "stolen", while in Andrew's speech... well Andrew likes to "beautify" the truth. |
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Post by wenxina on May 22, 2008 16:03:27 GMT -5
According to Andrew, who then again, is an unreliable narrator. I personally detest "Antique" and given the course of events as told by Andrew, I can see why some people are screaming "retcon". Could be that Xander went to Dracula, could be also that he was derailed. Is this really something worth dwelling on? I mean, gay Xander, gay Willow, gay Buffy. You sure you don't have an agenda here, Mikey? |
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Post by Skytteflickan88 on May 22, 2008 16:44:23 GMT -5
Xancula. Dander. Drander. Xanla.
Hihi. I like thinking of gay Xander, but I never found Dracula attractive. I'd rather have Angel with Xander... or Spike...
Is it hot in here or is it just me?
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Post by wenxina on May 22, 2008 17:06:41 GMT -5
Antique doesn't have to be 100% canon. All we know is that SOMETHING like that happened. I don't think you get to be selective about what is canon, and what isn't. Well, you could, for your personal use. But in a public arena, I don't think that it's possible. If Tales of the Slayers and Vampires is canon, then "Antique" is canon. Therefore, until otherwise stated, the events should be taken as is. I'm with the camp that thinks that Andrew's just a bloody liar sometimes and tends to BS. |
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Post by faith0tvs on May 22, 2008 18:26:11 GMT -5
I think that it ahs been officialy stated by Joss that the backstory is cannon so .......you shouldnt doubt if its connected to the general storyline  |
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Post by patxshand on May 22, 2008 21:03:39 GMT -5
"Tales of the Vampires" and "Tales of the Slayers" are canon. Always have been, always will be. Same exact thing as "Fray."
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Post by Rebecca on May 22, 2008 21:05:01 GMT -5
I don't think you get to be selective about what is canon, and what isn't. Well, you could, for your personal use. But in a public arena, I don't think that it's possible. If Tales of the Slayers and Vampires is canon, then "Antique" is canon. Therefore, until otherwise stated, the events should be taken as is. I'm with the camp that thinks that Andrew's just a bloody liar sometimes and tends to BS. I'm sure that Joss didn't canonize those intending on including them in future Buffyverse episodes. It would be like if he made a Buffy movie and only some of the things that happened in Season 8 were true. You can look at Antique as taking the facts from it (Xander went to live with Dracula, Buffy came and took him back), but not 100% of the dialogue, the art, etc. Canonizing is intending on including them into the Buffyverse storyline. I think perhaps that Drac was only brought into S8 because Drew Goddard was writing the arc. I think that because Drew wrote "Antique" and used that storyline in Wolves at the Gate, Joss and Darkhorse had no choice other than to declare it canon. More importantly, because they did say it was canon, there is no debate. |
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Post by Slayer489 on May 23, 2008 6:23:43 GMT -5
Fine, then that means for a short time Xander became a midget with a hunchback. *rolls eyes* LOL I'm with you. I believe that something similar happened though like, Xander went to Dracula cause he was having trouble finding someone to grieve Anya with and they met once so he thought he'd seek him out. |
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