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Post by henzINNIT on Feb 6, 2008 10:33:56 GMT -5
we can agree to disagree. This must be like the 50th time I've read this lol |
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Post by endofautumn on Feb 6, 2008 11:46:58 GMT -5
It's also pretty impossible to fall in love with somebody and not WANT to sleep with them. Yes but its intentions and actions that define us, not our thoughts. Especially when it comes to right or wrong and morals. He acted in the correct way i think, nothing wrong with it at all Just because he wanted to sleep with her in his thoughts doesnt make him a bad man |
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Post by Slayer489 on Feb 6, 2008 12:40:30 GMT -5
I can see where you're coming from Mikey but I disagree. He wanted to help her and couldn't help that he fell in love with her. He wasn't one of those perverts who goes around trying to have sex with girls. It's different it really is.
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Post by sla on Feb 6, 2008 17:11:36 GMT -5
i don't think that angel is a pervert. He never pushed Buffy for anything. He knows waiting, and he did it, he wait until Buffy said "i'm ready". their love was very romantic. after they sleept together the sexual tension grow, but it's normal.
besides, is just a tv series and the romance was important, so the relationship Slayer-vampire it's , with more than 200 years old, was necesary. it's the point of their love, isn't allowed.
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Post by henzINNIT on Feb 6, 2008 17:26:54 GMT -5
I can't really roll with the pervert idea because she wasn't a kid. She was very mature, sure as hell didn't look as young as 16 ever (hollywood magic) and a 15 year old is mere months away from legal in the UK anyway.
I like the concept of a 200 year old man dating. His view point would be so crazy. Having seen so many loved ones live out their lives would make me date young lasses too probably.
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Post by chosenone87 on Feb 6, 2008 18:31:38 GMT -5
Just to clarify Mikey, he didnt fall in love with her from the BEGINNING, he wanted to HELP her, he FELT COMPASSION not LUST or LOVE for her from the start. When he got to know her, i.e. when he realised her depth and MATURITY, was when he fell in love with her.
and yes, he may have been 200 but he effectively got REBORN when his soul was returned.... ever thought about that? so he wasnt that old in terms of how long he'd had his soul back..
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Post by Lukee on Feb 7, 2008 19:15:35 GMT -5
They didn't have sex until she was over 16... so how is he a pervert... He fell in love with her. Nothing more. It doesn't matter that he was 200 years old or what not. He was what 23 or something when he was turned i see Vampires [well if they where real  ] as there age when they die not the age since they died. So not very pervvey at all.. |
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Post by Enisy on Feb 7, 2008 19:27:09 GMT -5
Just to clarify Mikey, he didnt fall in love with her from the BEGINNING, he wanted to HELP her, he FELT COMPASSION not LUST or LOVE for her from the start. When he got to know her, i.e. when he realised her depth and MATURITY, was when he fell in love with her. I wish it were so, but... Angel: I watched you, I saw you called. It was a bright afternoon, out in front of your school, you walked down the steps and I loved you. (Helpless)I think it's very telling that the writers cut down on the Spike/Dawn interaction in Season 6 in order to avoid the 'shippy vibes. Took them long enough, but they must have eventually realised that there is something creepy about romantic subtext between a centuries-old guy and a 15-year-old girl. |
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Post by endofautumn on Feb 7, 2008 21:11:07 GMT -5
I don't agree. *shrugs* I think that if somebody for instance...has romantic thoughts about someone 15, they're still a pervert whether they act it out or not. So who here has day dreamed about hitting someone? or stealing something or even killing someone? Does that make alot of us murderers and thiefs? No because its just thoughts, its not our actions. An extreme way of looking at it but, well, you get my point Angel isnt a perv anyway, he didnt go looking to shag some under age girl. She was 16 when they slept together, so thats actually Legal. Unless you're not from england. but yes rationally i get your point, if i knew a 30 year old guy dating a 16 year old id be like "woah thats wrong" Lets just let is slide because its two mature people in extremly extraordinary circumstances. That and well the show wouldnt of been as good without their romance. |
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Post by chosenone87 on Feb 8, 2008 1:15:50 GMT -5
ok, ok, i concede...
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Post by Rachster on Feb 8, 2008 4:18:44 GMT -5
its totally different when buffy and angel got involved she was 16 17 and he looked alot younger than so it all seemed ok he would of only been a few years older than her when he was sired hes not a pervert and him dawn wouldent happen theres alot of different factors...
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Post by Rachster on Feb 9, 2008 2:23:21 GMT -5
lol!!
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Post by buffygrl678 on May 24, 2008 13:43:17 GMT -5
Angel is not a pervert, it isnt his fault he was stuck in his grown up years! So, basically, its the same as them both being the same age.
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Post by Skytteflickan88 on May 24, 2008 14:33:24 GMT -5
Perhaps he fell in love with her as soon as he saw her, perhaps he got a hard on although she was only 15 or perhaps the love and lust came later. The only thing that matter is that when Buffy turned 17 and had sex with Angel, she was mature enough in my eyes, both for sex and a serious relationship. I don't know if Angel believed that or not, but I think he realized that he sleept with a woman, not a girl.
It's important to remember that a 15-year-old could be as mature as a 25 year-old and that 25 year-olds could be as mature as 15-year-old.
If Buffy now, about 7 years later think; "Hey, he used me, I didn't know what I was getting myself into" then Angel did wrong.
And about the Spike/Dawn thing; I loved to read Spawn-fic, but that was when I was 13-17. Now, when I'm 19, I'm starting to think it's creepy. I mean, with Buffy and Angel, I could think that Sarah and David were pretty much the same age, but James was 40-ish and Michelle 16, and that made it creepy in my eyes.
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Post by Skytteflickan88 on May 24, 2008 14:47:04 GMT -5
And I don't understand why people keep calling Angel 20. Just because he didn't physically age doesn't mean he didn't mentally become an adult man. Angel isn't 20. There's no evidence in the show (except for unavoidable aging) to support that he isn't just a well experienced 20 year old man to me. Besides, maturity levels? Physically he's a 20 year old man, so he's a 20 year old man with a 200 year old's maturity? He's still a 20 year old man and thats what the law would go by. . . LOL. The law would put Buffy behind bars for having sex with a corpse. |
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Post by Skytteflickan88 on May 24, 2008 14:55:16 GMT -5
Angel has shown no attraction to other underage girls, and in fact as far as I can recall. He never shows anything but brotherly love for Dawn, which if he were just perving on teeny-boppers, she would be ripe for that. -numfar Hmm? When does this happen? In a book? Comic? |
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Post by buffyfan21 on May 28, 2008 8:08:14 GMT -5
Umm....no. I've never really thought of Angel as being a perv at all...
Now maybe as Angelus he gives in to his perv side, but not Angel...
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Post by ded1 on May 28, 2008 18:53:05 GMT -5
I had to vote yes because as soon as I read the subject of this thread,I had the image of Angel in a tree looking in Buffy's bedroom window playing with his "Mr.Winky" and mumbling dirty words.
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Post by ladyparasyte on May 30, 2008 23:00:01 GMT -5
I always thought it was a tad bizarre. Which iswhy I never fully took their love story to heart as much as others did. It was sweet and her first love but she was a kid and he had the mind of a adult. Having lived longer than your average adult at that rate always made it strange.
Good writing and character development made it easy to take.Alos, I have to agree with what someone else said in that it seemed less bizarre because David himself looked younger.
Also, was it just me or did he wear eyeliner when he was Angelus in Season 2?
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Post by Emmie on May 30, 2008 23:23:34 GMT -5
Also, was it just me or did he wear eyeliner when he was Angelus in Season 2? I think he did wear eyeliner as Angelus, but hey it worked. He looked hot. |
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