bishopcruz
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Post by bishopcruz on Sept 7, 2009 16:36:05 GMT -5
That's HOT!!! I wonder how many people will take this seriously. A Xander/Buffy/Dawn threesome in canon would be just as absurdly out of character as the supposed one involving Hal Jordan with Huntress and Lady Blackhawk. Joss knows the difference between canon and fanfic, even if certain DC Comics writers don't. For that matter, I can't envision either Xander or Buffy suddenly becoming the kinds of insensitive scumbags that would do something like that to Dawnie. At least one it looks like. Edit: make that two.
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Post by AndrewCrossett on Sept 7, 2009 16:58:42 GMT -5
Sorry... any mention of that Hal Jordan "threesome" nonsense automatically pushes my buttons.
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bishopcruz
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Post by bishopcruz on Sept 7, 2009 18:40:54 GMT -5
But they could have had such creative use of the ring.
In either case, I think it's gonna be really interesting to see just how this whole Triangle situation plays out. I am still amazed that so many people didn't see the B/X stuff that had been building again since at least S7 though.
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Post by AndrewCrossett on Sept 7, 2009 20:43:55 GMT -5
There may be an emotional triangle, but I'm sure there won't be an actual romantic one.
Would Xander dump Dawn so he can jump all over her sister? Would Buffy find that admirable or satisfactory? Even if Dawn died next issue, would anyone think it's appropriate for Xander to immediately start banging her next of kin?
There will no doubt be some feelings here that will have repercussions and consequences. But I just don't see a Buffy/Xander relationship happening this season. Maybe a final, desperate kiss just before Xander dies... that I could see.
(ETA: Not that I want him to die. I just think he will.)
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Post by The Girl In Question on Sept 7, 2009 21:14:05 GMT -5
But they could have had such creative use of the ring. In either case, I think it's gonna be really interesting to see just how this whole Triangle situation plays out. I am still amazed that so many people didn't see the B/X stuff that had been building again since at least S7 though. Really? Season 7? Exampes?
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Post by loveisabird on Sept 8, 2009 6:42:53 GMT -5
Id rather have Xander with Dawn than with Buffy. Buffy and Xander being together would be weird after so many years of them being friends, and it would ruin the Buffy/Xander/Willow friendship for me.
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Post by Lukee on Sept 8, 2009 7:30:22 GMT -5
I really don't like the Xander and Dawn deal it's just soo..... wrong. I saw him more of a brother to her. Plus i was hoping a Buffy and Xander deal with happen. =[
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Post by emanuele on Sept 8, 2009 8:26:21 GMT -5
I really don't like the Xander and Dawn deal it's just soo..... wrong. I saw him more of a brother to her. Plus i was hoping a Buffy and Xander deal with happen. =[ In the world of Joss, X/D will not be a happy couple for long. As for B/X there's still hope
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Post by El Diablo Robotico on Sept 8, 2009 16:27:08 GMT -5
I finally got my copies today. To paraphrase Xander himself: "Is there anything more emphatic than hate? Can I revile this plot development?" Hell, Joss might as well go for that B/D/X 3-some now, because it wouldn't be any more disgusting than this. I've been going thru S5 again recently, and I just cannot reconcile what I see there--a grown-up, 20-year-old man babysitting a junior high school student--with what's happened here. He's her surrogate big brother, and nothing will ever change that in my mind. So: ick! Big ick! I think Joss has finally lost me with this one. "After the Fall" lost me fairly early-on, for various reasons, right around the time of "First Night". But I stayed excited and eager about each new S8 issue, because while the story dragged at times, it still maintained a high level of consistency in the art and editing, and I had more confidence with Joss and all the other people involved with it than I did with the IDW crew. But now I'm forced to look back and admit that just like AtF nose-dived after FN, outside of NFFY and WatG S8 has really been pretty mediocre overall, as well, and has been going fairly steadily downhill since WatG ended. I stuck with AtF right thru to the end, just to see how it turned out, and I'm sure I'll stay with S8, too, but just like I haven't read any of the post-AtF "Angel" comics, I'm pretty certain now that I won't be bothering with S9. Unless this turns out to be a Wesley/Cordy thing where Dawn and Xander realize immediately that it's just too weird for them, and that there's no romantic spark there. Otherwise...
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Post by Randi Giles on Sept 8, 2009 16:37:24 GMT -5
Ditto to the last part about Dawn and xander being like Wesley and Cordy. It would just be weird.
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Post by Smashed on Sept 8, 2009 17:30:44 GMT -5
I finally got my copies today. To paraphrase Xander himself: "Is there anything more emphatic than hate? Can I revile this plot development?" Hell, Joss might as well go for that B/D/X 3-some now, because it wouldn't be any more disgusting than this. I've been going thru S5 again recently, and I just cannot reconcile what I see there--a grown-up, 20-year-old man babysitting a junior high school student--with what's happened here. He's her surrogate big brother, and nothing will ever change that in my mind. So: ick! Big ick! I think Joss has finally lost me with this one. "After the Fall" lost me fairly early-on, for various reasons, right around the time of "First Night". But I stayed excited and eager about each new S8 issue, because while the story dragged at times, it still maintained a high level of consistency in the art and editing, and I had more confidence with Joss and all the other people involved with it than I did with the IDW crew. But now I'm forced to look back and admit that just like AtF nose-dived after FN, outside of NFFY and WatG S8 has really been pretty mediocre overall, as well, and has been going fairly steadily downhill since WatG ended. I stuck with AtF right thru to the end, just to see how it turned out, and I'm sure I'll stay with S8, too, but just like I haven't read any of the post-AtF "Angel" comics, I'm pretty certain now that I won't be bothering with S9. Unless this turns out to be a Wesley/Cordy thing where Dawn and Xander realize immediately that it's just too weird for them, and that there's no romantic spark there. Otherwise... I agree 110%! NFFY and WatG were really nice, and I enjoyed them a lot. LWH was okay, but ToYL, P&P, and now Retreat have been...less than enjoyable. Mediocre seems like a more appropriate adjective.
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Post by Paul on Sept 8, 2009 17:47:04 GMT -5
I've been going thru S5 again recently, and I just cannot reconcile what I see there--a grown-up, 20-year-old man babysitting a junior high school student--with what's happened here. He's her surrogate big brother, and nothing will ever change that in my mind. So: ick! Big ick! Actually, I see Xander (and Spike) more as her surrogate father than brother, just as Buffy, Willow, and Tara are her surrogate mothers. Xander is Buffy's brother figure ("I'm way ahead of you, big brother."), and Dawn's father figure. See the lovely domestic scene in "Lessons" with Buffy, Xander, and Dawn around the breakfast table. That said, I don't really share the ick factor that you're having. I understand it, but it doesn't bother me. Xander and Dawn are not blood related and no familial connection has actually been made explicit; while we can observe relationships and the father/daughter or sibling parallels, Dawn hasn't actually stated that she considers Xander a father/brother. They're not related, they're both consenting adults, and it's only a 5/6 year age gap. Nothing particularly innappropiate if you ask me. In fact, as someone who suffered an unstable childhood and has parental abandonment issues, it's understandable for Dawn to seek a father-like partner. I'd like to see the series address the perceived ickiness of Xander/Dawn, possibly though Buffy or Willow. But, personally, I don't find it icky.
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Post by pyrogirl on Sept 9, 2009 12:37:06 GMT -5
I also believe that the only reason Buffy would have feelings for Xander is because of her lack of options of men around her. She isn't lesbian, the whole Satsu thing was her having an itch to scratch. Angel and Spike aren't around, though she still fantasizes about them both. Xander is just there, and because they've known each other for so long she is comfortable around him. There for letting herself feel more, basically she wants to feel that again, she misses it and its pretty clear.
But it just wouldn't be right with Buffy, i think Xander & Dawn are. They always had something there it was clearly splayed in season 7. Buffy just wants to have a man, that love (sort of speak) in her life again, For instance if Angel or Spike were to show up in season 8 Buffy would fall into her old pattern that she has with them, and toss the idea of Xander and newly developed feelings for him into the garbage disposal of her mind.
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Post by buffyfan21 on Sept 9, 2009 15:28:03 GMT -5
I have had to stay out of this thread for a few days, but I finally got the comic (Yay!) and can now post my thoughts: I can say that I am a full-fledged Dander supporter! I think the two are cute together and could be really good for each other. Yes, all we have seen is a kiss so far, but it will be interesting see how the relationship progresses, as well as how the rest of the group reacts (hoping there will not be a blow out from Buffy)! I don't really get the weirdness. Yeah, I was kinda iffy about it initially but have since changed my mind. Xander and Dawn are both consenting adults, here. So as far as I'm concerned, more power to em!
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Post by AndrewCrossett on Sept 9, 2009 15:34:47 GMT -5
the whole Satsu thing was her having an itch to scratch. Never fails to amaze me that people who actually read "A Beautiful Sunset" and "Wolves at the Gate" could possibly think Satsu meant no more to Buffy than "scratching an itch." If it was that simple, I'm sure Buffy has access to a wide range of vibrational options.
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Post by buffyfan21 on Sept 9, 2009 16:04:20 GMT -5
the whole Satsu thing was her having an itch to scratch. Never fails to amaze me that people who actually read "A Beautiful Sunset" and "Wolves at the Gate" could possibly think Satsu meant no more to Buffy than "scratching an itch." If it was that simple, I'm sure Buffy has access to a wide range of vibrational options. Well said! Karma.
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Post by collex on Sept 10, 2009 17:27:32 GMT -5
I read them all and I still think Buffy went to Satsu because she had a itch to scratch. If not, why would she deny the relationship completly, even if everybody knows about it?
About Dawn/Xander, at first I was not very enthusiasm. I found it icky. But then, I read Season8 more carefully and, welle it totally made sense.
What some people seems to forget, however, is that Dawn always had a crush on Xander. She says it the first time we see her, and repeat it sometime. Now that she has matured, both physically and psychologically, she probably think her "love" for Xander is ripe for the Harvest. What Xander think, however, is still unknown.
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Post by AndrewCrossett on Sept 10, 2009 19:31:50 GMT -5
I read them all and I still think Buffy went to Satsu because she had a itch to scratch. If not, why would she deny the relationship completly, even if everybody knows about it? Buffy didn't deny anything that happened between them. She and Satsu don't have a "relationship" in that sense (yet, at least). But "A Beautiful Sunset" and a large portion of "Wolves at the Gate" was all about the emotional relationship and feelings between Buffy and Satsu. Buffy isn't a slut. Satsu clearly means more to her than an orgasm, especially considering how easily she could get that without sleeping with someone she knows to be in love with her. Her feelings aren't the ones Satsu was looking for. Or at least, Buffy hasn't admitted it to herself. Joss didn't write that storyline just to fill pages.
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Post by collex on Sept 10, 2009 20:20:52 GMT -5
Well, that's not what Satsu and Kennedy seems to think in Swell. About the itch to scratch, I wasn't thinking about only having sex. After all, Buffy used Satsu in the same way she used Spike in Season 6: to fulfill a need. This need was more than a simple orgasm in both case: it was the need to feel in Spike's case, and the need to be loved in Satsu's case.
Did Buffy loves Satsu? No, at least not in the way Satsu love her. She loved being with her, however.
That said, I would like to come back to the real goal of this thread Xander/Dawn. Anyone more interested in seeing how everyone's going to react than in the relationship itself?
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Post by AndrewCrossett on Sept 10, 2009 20:34:26 GMT -5
Well, that's not what Satsu and Kennedy seems to think in Swell. About the itch to scratch, I wasn't thinking about only having sex. After all, Buffy used Satsu in the same way she used Spike in Season 6: to fulfill a need. This need was more than a simple orgasm in both case: it was the need to feel in Spike's case, and the need to be loved in Satsu's case. Did Buffy loves Satsu? No, at least not in the way Satsu love her. She loved being with her, however. I'm sure we'll see how this plays out before the season is over.
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