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Post by collex on Sept 13, 2009 13:17:42 GMT -5
Well, the reality has been rewritten, so technically she is the age everyone think she is. It all depend on your view of reality, magic and relativity. There is no wrong answer to this question.
It's surely something Buffy would bring up if she goes in a fight with Xander or Dawn about Dawn being "too young" for Xander. I could easily see it:
Buffy (to xander) : She is too young.
Dawn: Buffy, I'm eighteen.
Buffy: No, you're three. And stay out of this!
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Post by buffyfan21 on Sept 13, 2009 14:36:16 GMT -5
Buffy (to xander) : She is too young. Dawn: Buffy, I'm eighteen. Buffy: No, you're three. And stay out of this! I could totally see Buffy saying something like this.
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Post by slayeress on Sept 13, 2009 19:08:03 GMT -5
I think they make a cute couple. They're not related by blood, I mean why not!
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Post by rogue11 on Sept 14, 2009 0:04:50 GMT -5
So fi Xander is with Dawn, does this mean no Xander and buffy because why would she ever want to be with a guy who's been with her little sister? Buffy may be alone but she's not hopelessly desperate
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Post by The Night Lord on Sept 14, 2009 2:48:39 GMT -5
I think they make a cute couple. They're not related by blood, I mean why not! But they're like brother and sister. It's like Connor and Cordelia, only not as gross
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Post by diabeticdude202 on Sept 14, 2009 3:53:33 GMT -5
Unfortunately when I read the issue where Xander and Dawn was announced, I wasn't really "Oh my..." like most people would have been. I mean, yes, it was a great surprise and twist in the show, but I didn't find it unbearable. I think a lot of people have different opinions on the relationship, and when I re-read the issue, I think something may have happened before with the two. It seemed Dawn was trying to convince Xander that the two of them isn't "wrong". My initial thought was that maybe Dawn came onto Xander before this issue, and he clearly stated he couldn't do this. Overall, I think Xander's at a very weird place in his life where he doesn't know what to do. Could he be the betrayer in all of this? Possibly. But I think he's at a vulnerable state with Anya's death, Renee's death, and this whole Twilight situation! What I can gather, this whole Dawn/Xander thing won't last. Either Buffy guilts him out of it, something major happens (like a death, or temporal disappearance), or the two just fall apart. I can see a situation happening, like in Angel, when Cordy see's Angel hurt over the whole thing, only she didn't do anything about it, whereas I can see Xander seeing how hurt Buffy is and just stating "I can't do this to her, Dawn, I just can't!" I don't find the relationship cute. Nor gross. I don't see it ever happening on the television series, I didn't find any of the two's connection with one another romantic, or leading towards that kind of thing. I would have liked Dawn maybe swaying to more of a new character, or possibly Andrew; but Xander ... it just doesn't seem real enough for me. I think this is a set up for a much bigger plot, and so called "Dander" lovers are going to be ultimately disappointed in the outcome. There's my rant
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Post by AndrewCrossett on Sept 14, 2009 7:54:23 GMT -5
Georges Jeanty, from his recent Q&A:
I'm not sure how to interpret that. "I don't think it could ever work out" seems to indicate that... it's not going to work out. But "Xander's turn is coming around" makes it seem like something is going to happen between them.
If so, I wonder where that leaves Dawn... and where that leaves Buffy and Dawn's relationship... and where that leaves my good opinion of Xander, if he's going to kick Dawn to the curb because OOO Buffy has finally decided after a freaking decade that she has the hots for him.
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Post by underworld on Sept 14, 2009 8:18:04 GMT -5
I like the idea of Xander and Dawn hooking up. Dawn's become less annoying this season and Xander's become an increasingly rounded character. I also like the idea of the 2 non "super heroes" hooking up as they have both something in common in their lackof powers. I think Dawn's comment along the lines of having a normal life was rather telling. Though that is pretty much the theme for this arc for all the characters. including Oz, Faith, Willow and Buffy
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Post by Paul on Sept 14, 2009 8:24:23 GMT -5
I think they make a cute couple. They're not related by blood, I mean why not! But they're like brother and sister. It's like Connor and Cordelia, only not as gross It's not really the same as Connor and Cordelia. Connor and Cordelia were creepy for a multitude of reasons. He was emotionally unstable and naive, and she was manipulating him to further her own agenda. Their whole relationship was portrayed in a very oedipal, disturbing way, with "Mommy" telling her gullible little boy what to do, and conspiring against evil "Daddy". Dawn and Xander have a much healthier relationship than that. I would have liked Dawn maybe swaying to more of a new character, or possibly Andrew; but Xander ... it just doesn't seem real enough for me. So Dawn/Xander doesn't seem real, but Dawn hooking up with a repressed gay guy would be? I've seen this "it doesn't seem real, it wouldn't have happened on the show" thing before, directed at Buffy/Satsu. It's as if the comic book is supposed to "play it safe" because it's a comic. Buffy the show took plenty of risks, some more successful than others, and I'm happy S8 is following suit.
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Post by diabeticdude202 on Sept 14, 2009 17:20:43 GMT -5
I never said the comic book should play it safe. And on the topic of Dawn being with Andrew, OR ANOTHER NEW CHARACTER, like I said in my comment above, yes it would seem more real. I think Dawn still has a lot of time to grow as a character, have some heart breaks, etc. With Xander I think it may dwell on her, to be too painful because in the end they just won't be together. I think people have had a right to say "it doesn't seem real" stuff, because we're so attached to the characters we've known and loved for seven seasons. I didn't have a problem with Buffy/Satsu, nor this Xander/Dawn, I admit, I don't like the pairings, except for B/S, coz that was sort of unexpected, and progressed into a very intriguing relationship of the season ... so that is my second mini rant
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Post by Just Willow on Sept 14, 2009 17:32:28 GMT -5
ick.
Xander was like her brother, and if he'd succeded in taking her away at teh end of season 7 like Buffy said he would have been her father figure. he kind of was her father figure before that. them getting it on is.....ick. people say love has no age limits but.....this....ummm......does.
not nearly as awful as Condelia. that was extremely barf-wrthy. this isn't in that league, lol.
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Post by buffyfan21 on Sept 14, 2009 20:40:26 GMT -5
It's not really the same as Connor and Cordelia. Connor and Cordelia were creepy for a multitude of reasons. He was emotionally unstable and naive, and she was manipulating him to further her own agenda. Their whole relationship was portrayed in a very oedipal, disturbing way, with "Mommy" telling her gullible little boy what to do, and conspiring against evil "Daddy". Dawn and Xander have a much healthier relationship than that. I've seen this "it doesn't seem real, it wouldn't have happened on the show" thing before, directed at Buffy/Satsu. It's as if the comic book is supposed to "play it safe" because it's a comic. Buffy the show took plenty of risks, some more successful than others, and I'm happy S8 is following suit. Well said. Couldn't agree more! ;D
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Post by collex on Sept 14, 2009 22:14:01 GMT -5
You do remember that in the first episode Dawn is introduced, she clearly says she is in love with Xander, right? So, from Dawn point of view, this relationship is totally wanted and natural. Also, take a look back at Xander and Dawn relationship. Who does Dawn confess having slept with Kenny's roommate to? Xander. Who tell Dawn she is beautiful as a centaur? Xander. Also notice that later in tht scene, when Xander is going back to the castle, he says "Who can fathom the mystery that is horse-slash-woman..." Notice he calls her woman, not girl, which is very telling I think. Anyway, you're entitled to your opinion. I just wanted to argue with you with factual arguments instead of just stating my opinion over again A comic shouldn't "play it safe". On the contrary, there is a bigger freedom in a comic-book than in a T.V. show because comic-book publisher are under less censors scrutiny (i.e. over-zealous parents) and publisher are usually more lenient than studios. In fact, I must say I was surprised how they kept it clean in Season 8. I tought Joss would take the occassion to go to places way too intimate for a television show. But no, he still played it safe, no full-frontal nudity, boobs are always hidden, no actual sex is shown (only the aftermaths of it and one close up of Willow coming as she enter Saga Vasuki world). I was happily surprised that Joss had kept that "dark but familiy-friendly" vein that the show had.
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Post by slayerette on Sept 14, 2009 22:16:58 GMT -5
ick. Xander was like her brother, and if he'd succeded in taking her away at teh end of season 7 like Buffy said he would have been her father figure. he kind of was her father figure before that. them getting it on is.....ick. people say love has no age limits but.....this....ummm......does. not nearly as awful as Condelia. that was extremely barf-wrthy. this isn't in that league, lol. Yep. That is why I still find it on the icky side. The age thing isn't important, it's that he babysat her!! And like you said he would have essentially raised her. Not to mention Buffy trusted him enough to do that at the time. I'm not saying there wasn't a lot of touchy-feely-ness between them or signs that the writers were going in that direction even in season 7, but I'd still rather they didn't. I don't gag when they are together, but I get that uncomfortable "look away" for fear of blindness feeling.
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Post by buffyfan21 on Sept 15, 2009 11:23:38 GMT -5
In Dawn's defense, though, she was 14 and hardly needed a babysitter. I stayed home alone at 14. Buffy and Joyce were simply too overprotective of Dawn and wanted to keep her safe. As a result, they babied her too much.
I prefer to think of Xander and Anya just hanging out with Dawn and keeping her company while Buffy and Joyce were out (it is, after all, unsafe to be home alone in Sunnydale). Given her age, I can hardly think of them as actual babysitters.
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Post by The Girl In Question on Sept 15, 2009 16:11:13 GMT -5
In Dawn's defense, though, she was 14 and hardly needed a babysitter. I stayed home alone at 14. Buffy and Joyce were simply too overprotective of Dawn and wanted to keep her safe. As a result, they babied her too much. I prefer to think of Xander and Anya just hanging out with Dawn and keeping her company while Buffy and Joyce were out (it is, after all, unsafe to be home alone in Sunnydale). Given her age, I can hardly think of them as actual babysitters. I don't think they were being overprotective considering Dawn's big sister is the slayer. If they were a normal family that didn't have the trouble of demons hunting down the eldest daughter every day, they probably wouldn't have been so protective over her.
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Post by buffyfan21 on Sept 15, 2009 18:29:12 GMT -5
In Dawn's defense, though, she was 14 and hardly needed a babysitter. I stayed home alone at 14. Buffy and Joyce were simply too overprotective of Dawn and wanted to keep her safe. As a result, they babied her too much. I prefer to think of Xander and Anya just hanging out with Dawn and keeping her company while Buffy and Joyce were out (it is, after all, unsafe to be home alone in Sunnydale). Given her age, I can hardly think of them as actual babysitters. I don't think they were being overprotective considering Dawn's big sister is the slayer. If they were a normal family that didn't have the trouble of demons hunting down the eldest daughter every day, they probably wouldn't have been so protective over her. Agreed. Didn't say that the protection wasn't warranted, just that they were. lol. Given that both Buffy and Joyce were aware of all things that go bump in the night, it's only natural that they would want to protect and keep her safe. Especially if you look at it from Joyce's perspective, Dawn was the baby. She probably wanted to have at least one daughter that she could shield from all the supernatural weirdness. Buffy had to grow up way too fast, never really getting a chance to be a kid, it's certainly understandable that they would want the opposite for Dawn.
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Post by butters on Sept 15, 2009 19:22:32 GMT -5
I love Xander and Dawn infact id like to be a groomsman in the wedding!
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Post by butters on Sept 15, 2009 19:23:31 GMT -5
Not that that added a whole lot to the current conversation, i just thought i would throw that out there!
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Post by buffyfan21 on Sept 16, 2009 10:57:36 GMT -5
I love Xander and Dawn infact id like to be a groomsman in the wedding! Maybe I could be a bridesmaid?
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