Nicholas
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Post by Nicholas on Jan 21, 2009 13:49:36 GMT -5
I think that if Joss wanted to express a new type of theme that had to do with sexuality he could actually just make Andrew straight. It would be something for kids in High School nowadays who see someone who acts off like Andrew and immediately calls them gay.
I too have noticed that a lot of this board is gay or bisexual. Im sure we have an equal amount of straights but I think Buffy can reach out a little more to that community.
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Post by Skytteflickan88 on Jan 21, 2009 14:31:11 GMT -5
Thing is, it's hard to please everyone. The shows Buffy & Angel is supportive of a lot of things. Bullied kids, bullies trying to do better, gay people, anti-rasism(I think That Old Gang Of Mine or whatever it's called was a great anti-rasism episode) and probably other things I can't think of right now.
The gay theme can definitly be developed more, but I think that since we have several gay characters and Buffy just slept with a girl and now it seems like we'll deal with some of Satsu's insecurity issues of in Swell (because of the "other lesbian"-comments), maybe it's time to look at other society issues.
I think the gay theme has had a lot of moments in Buffy. I can't say that I don't want to know more about what Buffy thought about her sleeping with Satsu and exactly how intimate Angel & Spike was, but I wouldn't be that disapointed with Joss if he focused on other themes and let the gay stuff rest.
Like this slayer army thing, with the vampires&public vs slayers. I think that could make us think a lot about wars and rasism, so even tough I want to know how gay or not gay Andrew is, I'll live. But I will still whine in threads like these and discuss until my eyes get all dried up from staring at this unhealthy screen.
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Post by BenTaylor3907 on Jan 21, 2009 14:57:21 GMT -5
If anything, their needs to be more black people. Renee is dead and Robin is out of the picture. Where's the jungle fever? Maybe we can see what Olivia is up to.
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Post by Skytteflickan88 on Jan 21, 2009 16:33:30 GMT -5
If anything, their needs to be more black people. Renee is dead and Robin is out of the picture. Where's the jungle fever? Maybe we can see what Olivia is up to. ;DYeah. And why were there no mexicans on the shows? They were in California and I can't remember seeing any mexican characters(people without lines don't count because they pass buy to quickly and could just be tanned. Just like we don't count potential non-speaking gays from the shows, even if they did dress very you know... sassy). That's what we really should be talking about. The lack of mexicans.
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Post by rufio on Jan 21, 2009 17:01:45 GMT -5
how about a mexican boyfriend for andrew then? we'll kill two birds with one stone.
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Post by BenTaylor3907 on Jan 21, 2009 19:22:31 GMT -5
If anything, their needs to be more black people. Renee is dead and Robin is out of the picture. Where's the jungle fever? Maybe we can see what Olivia is up to. ;DYeah. And why were there no mexicans on the shows? They were in California and I can't remember seeing any mexican characters(people without lines don't count because they pass buy to quickly and could just be tanned. Just like we don't count potential non-speaking gays from the shows, even if they did dress very you know... sassy). That's what we really should be talking about. The lack of mexicans. I thought Kennedy was hispanicish?
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Post by Paul on Jan 21, 2009 20:24:32 GMT -5
;DYeah. And why were there no mexicans on the shows? They were in California and I can't remember seeing any mexican characters(people without lines don't count because they pass buy to quickly and could just be tanned. Just like we don't count potential non-speaking gays from the shows, even if they did dress very you know... sassy). That's what we really should be talking about. The lack of mexicans. I thought Kennedy was hispanicish? Iyari Limon is of Spanish, French, German and Native American heritage. Of course, that doesn't mean Kennedy is too. If it makes you feel better, we could assume Caridad (background Potential in season 7) was Mexican? And Soledad?
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Post by Mathieu on Jan 21, 2009 20:26:56 GMT -5
Kennedy is of French descent? I'm starting to like her!
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Nicholas
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Post by Nicholas on Jan 22, 2009 0:58:54 GMT -5
What is this intimacy between Spike and Angel that everyone talking about!?
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Post by Hallow Thorn on Jan 22, 2009 1:07:47 GMT -5
What is this intimacy between Spike and Angel that everyone talking about!? There was no intimacy between Spike and Angel! it was Spike and Angelus in the old days, just once and I am sure Dru and Darla were there too.
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Post by Wyndam on Jan 22, 2009 1:08:09 GMT -5
What is this intimacy between Spike and Angel that everyone talking about!? Spike kind of admitted that he and Angel were in an intimate situation of some sort, near the end of Angel, Season 5.
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Post by Skytteflickan88 on Jan 22, 2009 5:34:46 GMT -5
What is this intimacy between Spike and Angel that everyone talking about!? "ILLYRIA: You'll have proof soon enough. A corrupted ruler on such a path sees treachery and betrayal all around him. He cannot suffer intimates and will eventually turn against them. SPIKE: Guess I don't have to worry about that, 'cause Angel and me have never been intimate. Except that one..." -Power PlayJoss has also said in a commentary(maybe for that ep) or interview that he thinks they got together. What is this intimacy between Spike and Angel that everyone talking about!? There was no intimacy between Spike and Angel! it was Spike and Angelus in the old days, just once and I am sure Dru and Darla were there too. We don't know when it happened. Maybe Spike & Angel had make up sex after the fight in Destiny. *lol:ing for real*
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Post by Hallow Thorn on Jan 22, 2009 5:48:30 GMT -5
What is this intimacy between Spike and Angel that everyone talking about!? "ILLYRIA: You'll have proof soon enough. A corrupted ruler on such a path sees treachery and betrayal all around him. He cannot suffer intimates and will eventually turn against them. SPIKE: Guess I don't have to worry about that, 'cause Angel and me have never been intimate. Except that one..." -Power PlayJoss has also said in a commentary(maybe for that ep) or interview that he thinks they got together. There was no intimacy between Spike and Angel! it was Spike and Angelus in the old days, just once and I am sure Dru and Darla were there too. We don't know when it happened. Maybe Spike & Angel had make up sex after the fight in Destiny. *lol:ing for real* LOL Angel is not the type, Angelus maybe but Angel, no... :broody: ?
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Post by rufio on Jan 22, 2009 11:19:46 GMT -5
Um, Angel is not the type? Who are you to say? It's Joss's character.
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Post by trunkstheslayer on Jan 22, 2009 11:46:29 GMT -5
"ILLYRIA: You'll have proof soon enough. A corrupted ruler on such a path sees treachery and betrayal all around him. He cannot suffer intimates and will eventually turn against them. SPIKE: Guess I don't have to worry about that, 'cause Angel and me have never been intimate. Except that one..." -Power PlayJoss has also said in a commentary(maybe for that ep) or interview that he thinks they got together. We don't know when it happened. Maybe Spike & Angel had make up sex after the fight in Destiny. *lol:ing for real* LOL Angel is not the type, Angelus maybe but Angel, no... Care to back that up? Because the "Because that's what I say" attitude you've got really isn't convincing. Do please tell what's got you so sure. And let's not play the 'sex=perfect happiness' route. Angel's had sex at least twice without losing his soul so...yea. (Darla/Eve) It's simply stated fact: Spike and Angel, souled or otherwise, have had at least one 'intimate' encounter. That's all there is to it really. Darla and Dru aren't relevant here, or else they'd've gotten a mention either by Spike or Joss probably. Then again, intimacy with four people's possible...and who says the other two would've been the vamp gals? Coulda been two random vamp fanboys ^.^
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Post by henzINNIT on Jan 22, 2009 13:41:40 GMT -5
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Post by Skytteflickan88 on Jan 22, 2009 14:05:07 GMT -5
Karma to you!
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Post by Paul on Jan 22, 2009 14:14:20 GMT -5
The Angel/Spike "intimacy" was just a funny nod to the abundance of fan fiction between the pair. Joss was just throwing a bone to the slashers. That said, it IS referenced in canon and therefore something happened. I have to say, I really doubt it happened the way many fans picture it, with palpable sexual tension and passionate love-making. Personally, I think they got drunk together, woke up the next morning in bed thinking "Oh shit..." and vowed never to mention it again. An awkward and humorous misadventure seems more in keeping with their established relationship than some forgotten romance. That said, Angelus seems keen on batting for the other team in this scene from "Destiny": WILLIAM (angrily yanks his sizzling hand away from Angelus) Touch me again— ANGELUS Don't mistake me. I do love the ladies. It's just lately... I've been wondering...(holds his own fist in the beam of sunlight) what it'd be like...(watches his hand sizzle) to share the slaughter of innocents... with another man. (turns his hand over so the palm is in the light now; looks admiringly at it as it smokes) Don't... don't think that makes me some kind of a deviant, hmm?(pulls his hand back close to his face) Do you? I guess it's all subjective... Apparently Jane Espenson believes Giles and Ethan did a bit of sexual experimenting together back in the day. I wouldn't be surprised.
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Post by Skytteflickan88 on Jan 22, 2009 14:58:24 GMT -5
I think it's more than a nod. More of a leer.
"You know, um, I just wanna say Angel and Spike, they were hanging out, uh, for years and years and years, they were in, you know, all kinds of deviant, they were vampires... Are we thinking they never...? Come on, people! I'm just sayin'. I'm just sayin'. You know, they're open-minded guys. They may be evil but, you know, they're not bigoted or closed-minded."
That's Joss' words and it seems like he's surprised that people are surprised about people's reluctance to imagine that something happened. Maybe Joss had these thoughts, that they were "open-minded guys" for years before the joke in Power Play.
But you can be right, maybe Joss heard about the spangel-fans and thought he'd make a joke out of it.
And you know, "intimate" can mean that they had a moment together. Like in the ep "Damage" when they talk about the nature of evil. That's intimate.
But I choose to believe that Spike meant intimate sexually. Maybe they had a drunken kiss or something while being aroused after a fight. Wouldn't surprise me if both of them realized what they we're doing and ran of in panic, looking for Dru & Darla to restore their manhood.
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Post by BenTaylor3907 on Jan 22, 2009 15:00:05 GMT -5
Angel and Spike together is a little too weird. They both seem to be dominant. Who would bend over and take it? Unless Angelus raped Spike.
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