Malsad
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Post by Malsad on Mar 2, 2009 17:04:43 GMT -5
he allways seemed bi to me
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seryna
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Post by seryna on Mar 2, 2009 22:03:23 GMT -5
I don't think the guards were dead in #11, though. Remember reading something about them having their memories wiped of the event... so that definitely makes them alive, provided I'm not remembering wrong. But I agree otherwise, guns=bad in the Buffyverse. It's also a symbol of masculine power for the most part (Simone may be the first female packing heat since Kate), and to me, it was quite a deliberate choice that it was a bullet that killed Tara. Very phallic (not that a stake isn't). There are some interesting articles out there on the significance of rape imagery in S6. Quite disturbing. EDIT: Okay, Willow/Warren held one, but that doesn't really count. Did Fred ever use a gun? On Fred - just the pop gun to save Wesley in Smile Time. She had a flame thrower through, if that's phallic enough. I also agree that a gun in the BTVS been shown as being the baddest of the bad. The gun that shot Buffy and would have killed her if not for DW, the bullet that did kill beloved Tara, the bullet that DW used to obliterate Warren's internal organs. Even the invisi- ray that would have melted Buffy, courtesy of the Trio. Personally, I'm hoping that Faith is the one who combats Simone. That does seem to be Giles intention for Faith- to use her past pain, despair and triumph to reach misguided girls. Faith befriended and then unintentionally killed Gigi- I think although she's cut loose and fancy free in a fight, she'd keep an eye out for any misplaced gear that might accidentally impale someone. She's not a killer any more. In my opinion, she's the best one to reach Simone and her gang than pretty in pink Buffy. I do believe that Buffy has become somewhat of a pariah mainly because of her own actions (stealing from the bank, lying to her BFF, letting herself go off by herself or with strangers to patrol instead of staying with her pals). By comparison, its technically her fault that Harmony and the Bad PR team has a foot to stand on in the 'hate Slayer's movement. Buffy as the leader of the Slayers needs to set an example and should have been guided all Slayers by her actions- not going 'ooh, pretty' at the diamonds she stole. Personally, I really hope that Buffy isn't the big Bad as I heard talk of in some posts. While I *hated* Buffy in Season 6 and 7 (mainly because of her self focused behavior that made her not see her friends pain- Dawn, Willow, Xander- and using Spike as a prop.) I feel more empathy for her now in season 8 because she's not the only one- she might still be the Law, but she's become fuzzy and grey, while she's relying on her core more and more just to get hers through the day. Did that make any sense? I started just commenting on Fred and got distracted... |
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Post by wenxina on Mar 2, 2009 22:30:22 GMT -5
While I *hated* Buffy in Season 6 and 7 (mainly because of her self focused behavior that made her not see her friends pain- Dawn, Willow, Xander- and using Spike as a prop.) On the flipside, her friends were too blind to see her pain too. I'm not saying that Buffy was justified in doing what she did but S6 wasn't just a season about Buffy being selfish; it was of all the Scoobies being selfish. And I say selfish in the kindest sense, as in taking what they needed. Xander skipped the altar because he realized that he wasn't ready. Giles skipped town because he thought it was best that Buffy stopped using him as a crutch. Dawn went klepto because she craved attention. Tara walked away from Willow because she couldn't stay and watch Willow do the things she was doing. Willow abused magic because it was something she felt that she had control over. And in S7, Buffy was responsible for keeping not just the Scoobies, but all the Potentials alive. So while I don't think she did the right thing all the time, I've always empathized with her position, regardless of how wrong she was. Just as I empathize with everyone else's pain. I just think the argument against Buffy in the last 2 seasons on TV are rather biased. |
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angelmonster
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Post by angelmonster on Mar 2, 2009 23:44:53 GMT -5
Buffy is also very young for being put in the leader role. She was only a teenager still when she became a Slayer and was in her, and still is, early twenties when all of the potentials came to town. That is a lot of responsibility for someone who has never truly been a leader on that scale. Honestly for the lack of experience on her part I think she is doing a pretty good job! I always thought it was so funny that people were so quick to blame Buffy for her mistakes but it was ok for Faith to take over when she worked with the Mayor, tortured so many people, worked with Wolfram and Heart, switched bodies with Buffy and killed a human.
I think it is also funny people think Buffy was selfish in the season she came back from the dead. Sorry she didn't come back wanting to be the same person so she could just go and die again. I think I would feel a little numb too if I was torn from paradise and thrown back into a city full of demons and beasts that want to kill me.
Why oh why oh why is it so hard to forgive Buffy when all of her critics forgive Willow, Giles, Faith and the rest of her friends who have also done some pretty horrible things?
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Post by AndrewCrossett on Mar 3, 2009 0:04:30 GMT -5
I agree, in that I don't see nearly as much darkness in Buffy this season as other people are claiming to see.
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Post by Skytteflickan88 on Mar 3, 2009 12:13:24 GMT -5
I checked the calendar and this issue's release date isn't up there yet.
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Post by Rebecca on Mar 3, 2009 13:44:21 GMT -5
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Post by AndrewCrossett on Mar 3, 2009 15:03:18 GMT -5
Will there be a Q&A tomorrow with Scott? Hope so.
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Post by Emmie on Mar 3, 2009 15:19:12 GMT -5
Will there be a Q&A tomorrow with Scott? Hope so. Yep. Will open up tomorrow afternoon.  |
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Post by wenxina on Mar 3, 2009 15:51:01 GMT -5
Will there be a Q&A tomorrow with Scott? Hope so. And one with Jeanty too. So keep thinking up those questions. |
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Post by Skytteflickan88 on Mar 4, 2009 4:40:33 GMT -5
Love your Jensen Ackles avvie/signature Thanks sweetie. I laughed so hard during that episode. |
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darthrosenberg9
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Post by darthrosenberg9 on Mar 4, 2009 15:48:18 GMT -5
{{{{{{{{{POTENTIALLY SPOILERS}}}}}}}}}}}
Did this issue remind anyone else of "Family"? Like, it only existed to validate Andrew's Scoobie status? I mean, I feel like Simone needed dealing with--it's just that she was barely touched upon. After reading it, it makes me wish that I picked up the Jeany cover as well. The Chen one completely takes the focus off of Andrew, who the entire issue is about.
Don't get me wrong. I LOVED "Family" and I LOVE Andrew. I just wish that this issue had been solicited a little differently. I was pleasantly surprised to find out that it was Andrew-centric and humor-packed...but I had expected it to be action-centric and answer-packed. Sorry. Not complaining. Just commenting on my confusion-turned-surprise.
{{{{{{{{{{{{{{SPOILING ENDS HERE}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}} I wanted to make this all "spoilers" because no one else seems to have posted since reading it....except I don't know how to do that. Anyone care to enlighten me? Also, what did everyone else think? |
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patxshand
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Post by patxshand on Mar 4, 2009 16:16:12 GMT -5
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Post by xavierzane on Mar 4, 2009 16:33:20 GMT -5
I don't see the ending of this issue as being anything like Angel trapping the lawyers with Darla and Drusilla. That was Angel unleashing two master vampires upon a bunch of helpless humans. This is unleashing a single demon (who has already been subdued once) upon sixteen very not helpless Slayers with guns. The implication of Angel's act was that Darla and Drusilla were going to massacre the humans. The implication of Buffy's act was that the demon would slow down the Slayers for a little while so that Buffy and Co. could escape. At no point is there anything in the comic to suggest that Simone's Slayers are in any real danger. |
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patxshand
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Post by patxshand on Mar 4, 2009 16:50:54 GMT -5
Buffy already could escape. She had a gun and a gang of slayers. It was already established that Simone and them weren't going to try to stop her. The Ragna demon had already bested a slayer in combat, and Simone's panicked look and subsequent "Oh shit" definitely suggests to me that they knew they were in trouble. I think the scene would have worked better with Buffy just leaving the room. There had already been enough action.
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iloveromy
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Post by iloveromy on Mar 4, 2009 16:52:50 GMT -5
Spoilers*
Darthrosen - It did remind me a lot of family, which makes me worry about Andrew's future with the scooby gang. Outsiders welcomed in tend to have an expiration date. Me thinks Andrew is the watcher who dies in the battle of starbucks.
Pat and Xavier - While I was reminded of Angel when reading the ending I don't think the implications are the same. I agree with Xavier that Buffy just wanted to escape.
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Post by CowboyGuy on Mar 4, 2009 16:53:35 GMT -5
{{{{{{{{{POTENTIALLY SPOILERS}}}}}}}}}}}
Did this issue remind anyone else of "Family"? Like, it only existed to validate Andrew's Scoobie status? I mean, I feel like Simone needed dealing with--it's just that she was barely touched upon. After reading it, it makes me wish that I picked up the Jeany cover as well. The Chen one completely takes the focus off of Andrew, who the entire issue is about.
Don't get me wrong. I LOVED "Family" and I LOVE Andrew. I just wish that this issue had been solicited a little differently. I was pleasantly surprised to find out that it was Andrew-centric and humor-packed...but I had expected it to be action-centric and answer-packed. Sorry. Not complaining. Just commenting on my confusion-turned-surprise.
{{{{{{{{{{{{{{SPOILING ENDS HERE}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}} I wanted to make this all "spoilers" because no one else seems to have posted since reading it....except I don't know how to do that. Anyone care to enlighten me? Also, what did everyone else think? Hey there All you need to do is put the spoiler parts into spoiler tags. It's that easy, so I did it for you this time. There is a button in the reply module that will add spoiler tags for you, and all you do is put the text between the brackets. This is what the button looks like:  Hope that helps!  |
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darthrosenberg9
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Post by darthrosenberg9 on Mar 4, 2009 17:00:36 GMT -5
Darthrosen - It did remind me a lot of family, which makes me worry about Andrew's future with the scooby gang. Outsiders welcomed in tend to have an expiration date. Me thinks Andrew is the watcher who dies in the battle of starbucks. Wow. That didn't occur to me---but you're definitely right. That does say scary things for Andrew's future. And wow! I had forgotten that we still have speculating to do as to the great watcher at Starbucks. Somehow, I always just assumed that it was Giles. They really did hit it home pretty hard in this issue that Andrew is a watcher with many loyal slayers, though. That would make sense. And CowboyGuy, thanks a bunch for the spoiler clarification. Oddly enough, that is the only button I didn't experiment with while trying to hide my spoils. I'm very sorry if I ruined anything for anyone! |
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Post by Wyndam on Mar 4, 2009 17:03:24 GMT -5
Actually, on release day you don't even have to worry about spoiler tags anyway, as most people will just stay away from the threads if they haven't read the issue yet. They certainly don't hurt though. |
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trunkstheslayer
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Post by trunkstheslayer on Mar 4, 2009 17:13:13 GMT -5
Am I the only one disliking the "Mr. Harris, Ms. Rosenberg, Ms. Summers, etc" thing? It just seems so....wrong. I mean, I get it but I'm just kinda shocked the scoobies let it fly and don't cut it off. Course it could be a "well, I guess we're the authorities now. We might as well act the part"....
Anywho, for the issue itself: Decent. Nothing epic or game changing but it was good and fun. Interesting little tidbits and it's nice to see Simone and Buffy interact.
Also, Pat: The Ragna and the slayer never fought. She fell into it's webby trap from what I gathered. Not exactly the same. What I don't understand is what Andrew did to get her out. Is the Ragna a techie demon whose web-trap is undone with a car unlock button?
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