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Post by AndrewCrossett on Feb 10, 2009 10:50:44 GMT -5
Are we certain that's Andrew's internal monologue we're reading? The first time saw the pages I thought it was Buffy's. I have a long list of evidence that Andrew is the person in the Twilight suit (though I don't for a moment think he's the mastermind behind Twilight). Maybe this evening I'll type up the list and post it here somewhere. |
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Post by Wyndam on Feb 10, 2009 10:55:08 GMT -5
I have long (looooooooong) suspected that Andrew is in cahoots with Twilight, or will at least be used by Twilight in some way, and this just seems like more evidence. Nice catch.
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Post by Emmie on Feb 10, 2009 11:09:34 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure that is meant to be Andrew's monologue. Never seen anyone read it differently. Because we open with Andrew's shoe and his thoughts. It'd be very strange for it to be Buffy's inner voice when all we see is Andrew at first. Bad writing if it were. But it fits Andrew perfectly.
Yeah, Wyn. I remember us talking about Andrew in detail over a year ago. It's in the old Twilight the Manipulator thread.
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Post by AndrewCrossett on Feb 10, 2009 11:17:19 GMT -5
Usually when there's a disembodied narration in a comic these days, they color-code it somehow to indicate who it is speaking. You'd think Andrew's would be green, since that's what he's wearing. But it's purple, which is not being worn by any of the characters.
I suppose it doesn't disprove my theory if that's Andrew's narration. The things he's saying are simple statements of fact. If he were saying those things in a distinctively positive way, that might pose a problem.
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Post by Malsad on Feb 10, 2009 11:19:53 GMT -5
i thought it was buffy also
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Post by Emmie on Feb 10, 2009 11:23:17 GMT -5
The problem with it being Buffy's monologue is that if it were, she contradicts herself by saying nothing comes between us in her head then yelling at Andrew.
It works better if we start with Andrew in the first panel with his shoes and running to Buffy where he says to himself how they're family and nothing comes between them, then Buffy yells at him and he's deflated.
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Post by AndrewCrossett on Feb 10, 2009 11:26:30 GMT -5
The problem with it being Buffy's monologue is that if it were, she contradicts herself by saying nothing comes between us in her head then yelling at Andrew. That could just be irony, for comic effect and/or to illustrate that Buffy is starting to drift away from and contradict her own principles. It works better if we start with Andrew in the first panel with his shoes and running to Buffy where he says to himself how they're family and nothing comes between them, then Buffy yells at him and he's deflated. I'd sure love to see the next page. There must be a spoiler on that page or something. March 4 is so far away.  |
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Post by Emmie on Feb 10, 2009 11:30:51 GMT -5
Usually when there's a disembodied narration in a comic these days, they color-code it somehow to indicate who it is speaking. You'd think Andrew's would be green, since that's what he's wearing. But it's purple, which is not being worn by any of the characters. I don't think the color-coding is based on what the characters are wearing. Faith's is purple in NFFY and Willow's is red in ToYL. I think the cues to whose internal monologue it is becomes clear based on the context of the story. Another thing that wouldn't fit - Buffy calling her team more than coworkers but a family. Buffy's *always* viewed Xander and Willow as friends and family, never coworkers so how is this a new realization for her? It's not. But it would be for Andrew. This line fits for Andrew's naivete and finally being accepted into working for the side of good, but it doesn't fit Buffy's perspective at all. And it's distinctly too positive a tone for Buffy's frame of mind currently. The Buffster is very moody at the moment and thinking dire thoughts - the opposite of the inner monologue for this issue. Those just aren't Buffy's thoughts. Think about how similar the situations are between how Buffy's watching something in A Beautiful Sunset and her dire/worrying tone and then how she's watching more here at the beginning of Predators and Prey. Buffy's not wasting time reflecting on how her people are more than coworkers but a family - yippee! She's busy worrying about the fallout of Harmony's PR stunts and Twilight just trying to murder her through the Swell. But I don't think you need to worry that it contradicts your theory. I think it's just being shown that right now Andrew is very loyal to Buffy and Co. This might not always be the case. Oh, and it's March 4 so it's not so far away.  |
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Post by AndrewCrossett on Feb 10, 2009 11:40:42 GMT -5
Oh, and it's March 4 so it's not so far away. Yeah, just caught that and fixed it. (Not rushing spring here or anything.) |
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Post by Essentially Yours on Feb 10, 2009 18:43:14 GMT -5
I think we're expecting a bit too much from Jo Chen. I think we've seen so much great stuff from her that we expect her to WOW us every time. This is still a solid cover with a great Buffy likeness and a cool design, which is enough for me. I would have liked a bit more color, but it's still good. I agree completely. Jo Chen is amazing. However, I do think I'm getting the variant if all possible. The comic store I go to tends to run out of them quickly. I'll have this Jeanty cover and the Vampy cats variant, but the rest are the originals. After clicking the preview page, I'm a bit sad. I know Andrew is played off as sort of a comic relief character, but I hope we get some real substance from him in this comic. I loved the moments that he plays a deep and meaningful individual. I just don't want to read an entire comic of Buffy making jabs at Andrew and he has no major point or reason for even being there. That's how I felt about Kennedy in the last issue. It could have been anyone there with Satsu. There was no Kennedy character development going on at all. I heart Andrew. I hope he gets turn in the spotlight. EDIT: I made my views on the previous comic Spoiler censored. |
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Post by CowboyGuy on Feb 10, 2009 18:53:48 GMT -5
I would have liked to see Jo Chen's take on Andrew, personally. But maybe he'll be on another future cover, and they decided to feature Simone since maybe she'll be slain by the Buffster...(?)
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Post by Paul on Feb 10, 2009 19:27:37 GMT -5
I would have liked to see Jo Chen's take on Andrew, personally. But maybe he'll be on another future cover, and they decided to feature Simone since maybe she'll be slain by the Buffster...(?) Agreed. I think if Chen had drawn the exact same concept as the Jeanty cover (and Jeanty drew a different one) it woulda been much better. I really like the James Bond feel of Jeanty's cover and would have loved to see Chen's version of Andrew. This is probably my least favourite Chen cover... there's something uncomfortably close-up and awkward about it. But I'll still get it, for consistency's sake. |
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Post by CowboyGuy on Feb 10, 2009 19:44:39 GMT -5
Yes, that's my only gripe. It is too close up. And the angles seem off to me or something. Because I liked the Gunn/Angel cover, which is very similar to this one.
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Post by Emmie on Feb 10, 2009 19:49:50 GMT -5
Yeah, it's my least favorite also by Chen. Agreed that it's a bit awkward to look at.
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Post by patxshand on Feb 10, 2009 19:54:24 GMT -5
This is my favorite of Chen's in the "Predators and Prey" arc, other than #25 obviously, as there is no beating that. I just liked it when I orginally saw it, but when I saw the huge huge huge poster of it over at Comic Con, I could really see how amazing it was.
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Post by Malsad on Feb 10, 2009 20:24:15 GMT -5
The problem with it being Buffy's monologue is that if it were, she contradicts herself by saying nothing comes between us in her head then yelling at Andrew. It works better if we start with Andrew in the first panel with his shoes and running to Buffy where he says to himself how they're family and nothing comes between them, then Buffy yells at him and he's deflated. i took it as humorous irony |
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Post by Emmie on Feb 10, 2009 20:39:57 GMT -5
i took it as humorous irony I still don't think it fits with her emotional state for the scene or the season, for that matter. It's overly simplistic and it doesn't really feel like Buffy's voice. Again, why is it a revelation for Buffy to be calling working with Xander and Willow her family, not coworkers? This is Andrew showing how he views his relationship to them now and how he views himself as being on the inside. |
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Post by hitnrun017 on Feb 10, 2009 21:47:28 GMT -5
On the Andrew having something to do with Twilight thing, I don't think he's connected. When we found out there was an inside man, Andrew was my first guess, but now we know it's Riley. Besides, just based on this two page preview and other issues, Andrew loves what he is doing. Now he has a purpose and loves being part of the inner circle, I don't think he'd turn his back on them.
Even looking back at Season 7: he was a "hostage" but could've easily walked out the door anytime, but he stayed put. In First Date, The First showed up and told him to kill the Potentials, but instead decided to help out.
Andrew's on the side of good now, and I don't see him switching teams... or at least I hope not, that'd pretty much ruin his development.
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Post by Emmie on Feb 10, 2009 21:58:29 GMT -5
Andrew could be another reason why Twilight has recruited Warren. What better way to divide loyalties than to have Warren back and messing with a person in Buffy's inner circle.
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Post by hitnrun017 on Feb 10, 2009 22:03:23 GMT -5
I'm still hoping we'll have that reunion somewhere down the line, maybe cause Andrew to choose: good or evil?
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