ladyparasyte
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Post by ladyparasyte on Sept 27, 2007 10:44:16 GMT -5
Okay, so it seems to me that Anya(who I do enjoy very much by the way) is basically a murderer.
She was not born demon, and her soul remained in her when she decided to be a vengeance demon.It baffles me that no one had a problem with this till Season 7 when she was a demon again.
Angel and Spike get out of the responsibility due to the fact that neither had a soul when they went on their killing sprees.
Thoughts?
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Post by shep on Sept 27, 2007 16:49:36 GMT -5
She didnt actually kill with her own hands though did she? She did however 'encourage' with it Vengance. P.S I like your threads, they are fun  |
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ladyparasyte
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Post by ladyparasyte on Sept 27, 2007 19:09:30 GMT -5
She didnt actually kill with her own hands though did she? She did however 'encourage' with it Vengance. P.S I like your threads, they are fun  Well, I look at it this way, if I set someone(or something) out to kill someone else,I'm just as responsible regardless of whether or not I get my hands dirty. Glad you like my threads. |
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commandercool
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Post by commandercool on Sept 27, 2007 21:40:41 GMT -5
Anya was a killer. No doubt. She seemed to get more and more human with time though, and if she had lived, she probably would've come to see what she had done as outright murder, not "righteous". Some of those men might have deserved to die, but Anya didn't know anything about the situation; she just let angry, hurt women do whatever they wanted. They probably regretted it too, after a while.
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Post by pesk on Sept 28, 2007 3:35:27 GMT -5
I always assumed that when you become a demon your soul is 'surpressed'. Like when oz becomes a werewolf, he still has a human soul, but it doesn't stop him killing. Thats just my theory though, I know theres nothing in the show to support that.
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Post by spikeluv13 on Sept 28, 2007 14:21:47 GMT -5
It bugs me how some people are forgiven, and some are overlooked. Anya is a great example. I love her, dont get me wrong, but she was a demon, by choice. she knew what she was doing. when she was made mortal, there was no mention of giving her back her soul, so I always took it that she never lost it. Whereas everone hated spike....but he did a ton of good while he was STILL a demon, even before getting his soul back. so why is anya considered okay and good and spike is evil and bad.....even in anya's eyes. Especially with xander....hello, marrying someone worse than spike....maybe he projected so much hate on spike because he felt that resentment towards anya, but didnt want to put it in the place it belonged..on her.
Sorry...i am a psychologist and I look into these things wayyyy too much... lol
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ladyparasyte
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Post by ladyparasyte on Sept 28, 2007 14:59:10 GMT -5
Also, another exapmle of how they pick and choose their mercy on evil is with Vamp Willow. Willow didn't like the idea of killing her twin self so they sent her back to her reality so she could "stand a chance".
After all that crap they gave Buffy about Angel they should have just staked Vamp Willow in my opinion.
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Post by buffysmglover on Sept 28, 2007 18:37:13 GMT -5
I completely agree. But what if a death threat is posted at a website you started, and it was unintentional, and...? Oh, and it wasn't posted by you. Should you be punished?
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Post by commandercool on Sept 29, 2007 19:06:00 GMT -5
I think it's funny how Willow got so much crap about killing Warren, but nobody even remembers that she also killed Rack. And then Buffy chopped Caleb in half and no one noticed.
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Post by buffysmglover on Sept 29, 2007 20:16:05 GMT -5
I think it's funny how Willow got so much crap about killing Warren, but nobody even remembers that she also killed Rack. And then Buffy chopped Caleb in half and no one noticed. Honestly, I'm laughing out loud right now. How come noone ever talks about this stuff? But hey, Caleb was like a god or something when she killed him. But the Willow thing, Rack was human. So why don't we consider this or remember it? Someone needs to write an essay on this. |
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Post by pesk on Sept 30, 2007 8:50:46 GMT -5
Rack was a wizard, possible hundreds of years old. Its not like she cut his life short.
Didn't buffy also kill that guy on the ice rink in season 2?
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Post by buffysmglover on Sept 30, 2007 9:23:27 GMT -5
Rack was a wizard, possible hundreds of years old. Its not like she cut his life short. Didn't buffy also kill that guy on the ice rink in season 2? Yes, but wasn't he a member of some big evil warrior group? |
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Post by roguewarrior on Sept 30, 2007 14:16:55 GMT -5
yeah he was part of the Order of Taraka (sorry about the spelling i don't think the spell check could have helped me with that)
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Post by Bennyboi on Sept 30, 2007 15:15:37 GMT -5
I always assumed that Caleb was just an normal guy, however infused with power by The First and also had a hate for women. Perfect man for the job. As for Anya, she did feel remorse after killing the men in 'Selfless' but put on a front when Buffy was ready to kill her.
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Post by CowboyGuy on Sept 30, 2007 15:35:55 GMT -5
I think Caleb was a man as well. Albeit an evil, strong man lol.
And the guy from Season 2 was a demon. So I think she was okay killing him then.
I don't think Buffy ever really killed a normal person. She couldn't even bring herself to kill Ben...
When I would have been like, "DEAD!"
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Post by roguewarrior on Sept 30, 2007 15:51:33 GMT -5
she killed a few of the knights that were trying to get to the Key in season 5.
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Post by buffysmglover on Sept 30, 2007 16:03:02 GMT -5
she killed a few of the knights that were trying to get to the Key in season 5. rogue slayer has a point! They were human! |
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spuffylove147
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Post by spuffylove147 on Sept 30, 2007 18:10:58 GMT -5
I don't consider Caleb or the order guy in season two to be human so I don't think it matters that Buffy killed them, but I did always wonder about the warriors in season 5, they were human and they said something after the fight about having casualties. Normally if Buffy fights humans they're surprising 'injured' but I think some died and they never even address it.
As for Anya I think you're right, she was evil without being evil for so long, but then again, I also agreed with The First/Jonathon. They gave Andrew so much shit for killing Jonathon but apart from Willow's Giles retreat they don't do anything about her killing Warren and they let Anya off the hook for the whole series.
I don't really consider our ensouled vampires because they didn't have souls. In the fifth season of Angel, he and Spike are talking and Spike reminds Angel that they were innocent victims once upon a time, and they were.
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Post by matthewblake on Sept 30, 2007 18:27:34 GMT -5
Buffy didn't care that the knights were human. She had to protect Dawn and did what she had to.
Buffy: "Remember: The ritual starts, we all die; and I'll kill anyone who comes near Dawn."
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Post by CowboyGuy on Sept 30, 2007 18:50:51 GMT -5
Buffy didn't care that the knights were human. She had to protect Dawn and did what she had to. Buffy: "Remember: The ritual starts, we all die; and I'll kill anyone who comes near Dawn." Good point. I guess Buffy could be justified by claiming they were "evil". |
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