Has Buffy killed humans?

[wenxina]

As saturn5 stated, I don't think it's the act of killing Finch that makes Faith morally reprehensible; it's her actions after. She tried to turn it around, put the blame on Buffy, then aligned herself with the Mayor after. Buffy would probably have acted differently. In fact, in S6, when she is duped into thinking that she killed Katrina, she goes to turn herself in. Even though it was an accidental "killing", she felt responsible for it.

[Nicholas]

I think it was slowly building to the fact that she was going to turn dark eventually. With her actions that lead up to that moment, and he obvious love for beating the crap out of anything she could, it really wasn't a surprise when she did it.

[sarahi]

Did anyone ever see the movie "Enough"? It's pretty much a demonstration of how a woman has the right to protect her family, and "self defense isn't murder." Buffy never killed anyone in cold blood, there were always circumstances involving either self-defense or the defense of the innocent.

In S8 specifically, Buffy told Satsu not to kill any humans unless it was necessary. I'm not sure about anyone else, but Buffy was defending a life that those soldiers were about to take, and it turned out that they're planning genocide anyway. And yes, killing off the Slayer race is a form of mass genocide. The last highly significant genocide was committed by Hitler, who would have been taken out eventually if he hadn't killed himself.

Btw, I agree that Faith killing the Deputy Mayor was an accident, and it was her unstable reaction to it that made her unfit to be an active Slayer.

[Nicholas]

I believe it was an accident yes, but I also believe it was inevitable.

[brandon]

this is the part that interests me most about the upcoming buffy issues.

HOW FAR IS BUFFY WILLING TO GO?

my favorite line in the entire buffyverse was in season five of angel - time bomb, when illyria is giving angel the talk on how to be a ruler. " you are a slave to an insane construct. you are moral. a ruler is as moral as a hurricane." ( nice reference to nietzsche)
then in buffy, season eight, (no future for you) we see buffy and willow having a discussion about their new enemy, the human race. willow says : remember buffy, killing humans is what seperates us from the bad guys, and buffy responds : no, not being bad is what separates us from the bad guys.

so my question to you. is buffy becoming nietzsche's superman? is she starting to live beyond human morality?

on a side note, i hope they continue to explore illyria's character in aftermath. it would be interesting to watch an old one become more moral while the human starts to live beyond it.

[henzINNIT]

Jan 28, 2009 13:28:25 GMT -5 Nicholas said:

It may not have ended like that had Buffy been switched with Faith. Look how fast she stopped when Willow told her not to kill Vamp Willow.

Note that this is after Faith's incident. Buffy's reactions were probably much better trained as a direct result of that night. Never noticed that before.

[Nicholas]

I don't believe that Buffy is becoming thick headed at all.

I think that was a concern at the end of S7 and it was dealt with. And we have discussed now that she has killed humans.

I think the Buffy understands that the small things don't fit into the bigger picture.