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Post by kittyfantastico on Dec 22, 2008 15:58:34 GMT -5
I am re-watching all of Buffy for the second time (except for season 1). I'm near the end of season 6 now, and I just found this message board while procrastinating on homework.
I'm sure I'll think of more later, but here's one that's been bugging me. Anya's whole weird personality is supposed to be because she spent 1000 years as a vengeance demon and so doesn't understand human society and tact and conversations and that kind of thing. And yet, when she hangs out with Hallie all they do is have coffee together and talk about boys and Hallie sounds like a valley girl and basically they have extremely human interactions. I was willing to forgive when we found out she used to BE human because it was 1000 years ago in a different society and she could have easily forgotten most of it. But now it seems like the interactions with the other demons are very similar to human interactions; they act like co-workers in any office. Also all the guests at her wedding totally act human.
Also I originally thought that Anya as a demon didn't necessarily look like Anya as a human. It seemed like she was supposed to have taken that form to fit in with Cordelia's world and later she references being stuck in this body. But I don't mind that one so much, since obviously they had to keep the same actress.
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Post by Emmie on Dec 22, 2008 19:13:41 GMT -5
kittyfantastico, you make excellent points about Anya's character and her interactions with other demons. I've always found it a bit irksome how Anya's "strangely literal" interpretation of humanity didn't exactly jive with her interactions with other demons. I think this stems from the dicey way the 'verse plays with the grey area of demons. To make demons more likeable, they make them seem more human. But it starts to confuse the issue a bit.
Great first post! I love it when someone points out something that hasn't occurred to me before. I look forward to hearing more of your thoughts in the future. Welcome!
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Post by wenxina on Dec 22, 2008 19:53:02 GMT -5
Or even more irksome yet, how Anya was perfectly capable of blending in with high school kids at the beginning of "The Wish", but then she goes on that whole "I don't understand humans and their stupid emotions" trip. Yes, it provided for some truly revelatory moments like in her monologue about human mortality, but at the same time, it's a pretty good testament as to how the writers play fast and loose with the Buffyverse whenever they need to. Oh, and welcome.  |
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Post by henzINNIT on Dec 22, 2008 21:00:25 GMT -5
Maybe blending in is a spell/gift possessed by Vengeance demons to help them perform their duty. That's why Anya could seemlessly intergrate with kids at school, yet struggled with life posing as a student after losing her powers. That's also why the other demons (and Anya when back in the fold) appear to converse as normal, relatable people. They're supposed to gain human's trust.
This is all speculation of course; but hey, it fits.
It adds an extra layer to Anya's troubles. Being a vengeance demon was her life for such a long time as she said, losing that calling also impacted her ability to connect to humans. She reverted back to the social outcast we saw as Aud.
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Post by Saturn 5 on Jan 5, 2009 17:32:54 GMT -5
2 that always troubled me;
1. In Becoming Pt 2 Spike knocks Dru out with a chokehold yet she neither breathes nor has any circulation?
2. Sajhan's incorporeality seems to vary from time to time, he can knock on the door and work the Internet yet can't do the Hemlich
3. Lilah said that the beast killed everyone who worked at Wolfram and Hart yet the guys in season 7 talk as though they've been there for years
4. When Gunn is first shown Caritas he wonders out loud why he never knew places like it existed but in 'The House Always Wins' he walks into a demon casino years before he met Angel
5. In season 5 the guys drink alcohol at the Bronze yet they're all under 21?
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Post by Skytteflickan88 on Jan 5, 2009 17:47:36 GMT -5
Well a demon kareoke bar is a bit different than demon casino bar. And in Season 5, Buffy turned 21, so maybe the other guys also had already had their 21st birthday? Or maybe, they got someone who had filled 21 to buy alcohol. In which episodes do they buy alcohol in?
And I'm not sure if I've mentioned it before, but Drusilla holding Spike's shoulder while she's unconscious in Becoming and Lilah doing the same with Angelus in a sequence(and not in the other) when she's dead ís a bit weird. I assume it's to help James and David carry the weight, but still, mayor flaw.
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Post by Greer on Jan 5, 2009 18:18:36 GMT -5
Which eppies did they drink in? They should all be around 20-21 in Season 5, because Season 1 was a half season and they were all still 17. I know that Spike drank in Season 5, as did Riley, and I know that they are obviously both older than Buffy, who is 21. Perhaps they all turned that age and we don't know about it.
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Post by wenxina on Jan 5, 2009 19:11:45 GMT -5
Willow drank in S4, after the Oz break-up. As a freshman in college, she would have been... 18-19 at that point. And Buffy drank in "Beer Bad". But fake IDs do exist.
So drinking in S5... a year later, wouldn't be too hard.
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Post by Saturn 5 on Jan 6, 2009 4:10:50 GMT -5
Also Anya in Pangs acts as though she's never met Angel yet they met at both The Prom and The Wish. Plus in Graduation Day 2 she talks of jumping in her car and taking off but in Triangle she says she's never driven before
And Will says she's scared of frogs yet in Inca Mummy Girl she's seen playing with a toy one whilst mooning over Xander
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Post by Skytteflickan88 on Jan 6, 2009 7:39:27 GMT -5
Well, Anya might not remember what happened in the alternative universe but I never thought about the frog toy or the car thing before. Nice catch.
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Post by edge450 on Jan 6, 2009 14:53:05 GMT -5
And Will says she's scared of frogs yet in Inca Mummy Girl she's seen playing with a toy one whilst mooning over Xander I always like to assume she's sitting, plotting some evil trouble for all the frogs in the world at that moment. |
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Post by CookieDough on Jan 7, 2009 0:54:53 GMT -5
Or maybe, they got someone who had filled 21 to buy alcohol. In which episodes do they buy alcohol in? Which eppies did they drink in? They should all be around 20-21 in Season 5, because Season 1 was a half season and they were all still 17. I know that Spike drank in Season 5, as did Riley, and I know that they are obviously both older than Buffy, who is 21. Perhaps they all turned that age and we don't know about it. I think it is assumed that they are 21. I just happen to be on Season 5 in my re-watch. In season 5's epi 'Family', they drink at the Bronze for Tara's B-Day. (I thought she was just turning 18, but to be fair, she wasn't one of the drinkers in the sceen) Dawn says something about the stamp on her hand and Xander says "thats so you can't booze it up", just as Riley brings drinks to Giles, Buffy, Anya and Xander. Dawn then replies, "Please, only loosers drink alcohol" and everyone gets sheepish really fast ;o) |
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Post by Emmie on Jan 7, 2009 1:01:19 GMT -5
Well, Buffy is 17 during January of Season 2 (Surprise).
18 - January Season 3 (Helpless)
19 - January Season 4 (A New Man).
20 - February Season 5 (Blood Ties).
21 - Aired February in Season 6 (Older and Far Away).
So Buffy drinking before Season 6 is...illegal. But hey, the girl breaks into army bases to steal rocket launchers. So, perspective.
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Post by Greer on Jan 7, 2009 10:30:05 GMT -5
So Buffy drinking before Season 6 is...illegal. But hey, the girl breaks into army bases to steal rocket launchers. So, perspective. I think that with the constant saving of the world and all, that she'd probably like to have a drink once in a while too. On another note, I was thinking about the Anya-Angel meeting thing. In Doppelgangland, both Angel & Buffy fight/capture(in a way) Anya at the Bronze, so there's another meeting in Season 3. |
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Post by CookieDough on Jan 7, 2009 12:50:23 GMT -5
Well, Buffy is 17 during January of Season 2 ( Surprise). 18 - January Season 3 ( Helpless) 19 - January Season 4 ( A New Man). 20 - February Season 5 ( Blood Ties). 21 - Aired February in Season 6 ( Older and Far Away). So Buffy drinking before Season 6 is...illegal. But hey, the girl breaks into army bases to steal rocket launchers. So, perspective. LOL, right you are! So I guess Riley is the +21 booze supplier in the Family episode  |
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Post by wenxina on Jan 7, 2009 13:19:05 GMT -5
While Riley may have been the +21 booze enabler, the rest of the Scoobies should have been stamped, like Dawn to prevent drinking. Which again, leads me back to... I think it's pretty explicitly implicit that the Scoobies had fakes.
Xander was already bartending at the start of S4, which may be no big deal, since I know for a fact that certain places allow 18-year olds to bartend, but not drink. Milwaukee, WI being one such place. Dunno about the laws in California, though. But if it's not allowed, I'd say that further backs up the fake ID theory.
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Post by Skytteflickan88 on Jan 7, 2009 14:23:25 GMT -5
Xander had a fake ID in Beer Bad, didn't he? So yes, they all probably had fake IDs later on in the series.
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Post by jellymoff on Jan 8, 2009 3:41:10 GMT -5
Yeah he had that ID where he has a mustache. I forget what his name was.
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Post by siredbyspike on Jan 10, 2009 4:32:20 GMT -5
Ok, this may not be an error, but it has something that kinda bugs me anyway. Several vamps on Buffy talk about how intoxicating/wonderful tasting slayer blood is and all of that. When Spike kills the chinese slayer during the boxer rebellion Dru wants a taste. Why then when she kills Kendra, does she not even drink?! I just tell myself that it was because she didn't think she had time to drink, or didn't want to turn around and not pay full attention to her surroundings because of attack. ? I dunno. Lol
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Post by Skytteflickan88 on Jan 10, 2009 6:45:17 GMT -5
Maybe she didn't drink because that would upset the audience too much. Joss didn't want us to cry  I think the scene would have been less tragic and more gross if she'd drunk, so that's why the writers didn't make her do that. But yes, I think she didn't have time to drink. After all, she didn't know when Bufy would be back. |
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