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Post by ambersknight on Jun 15, 2009 12:03:38 GMT -5
MB,
The only reason that AMber wasn't in the credits before Seeing Red was because AMber turned down the full cast status to concentrate on toehr strands of ehr career. So they didn't have a choice so Seeing red was entirely their decision. And whilst it is only my opinion, I think it was jjust a very sick joke, used to amp up what was a very weak storyline.
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Post by Just Willow on Jun 15, 2009 13:35:43 GMT -5
AK, if you can find the evidence that Amber was not asked about her one-credit episode, then you're point will be valid. until that time comes, however, it is not.
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Post by ambersknight on Jun 15, 2009 13:42:20 GMT -5
Yes i know that my opinion is just that, an opinion (I've not claimed otherwise). But as I've never even mentioned whether or not Amber was asked about Seeing Red, dunno why you put that to me as to me its irrelevant to me.
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Post by Midnight Butterfly on Jun 15, 2009 13:44:35 GMT -5
Okay. Amber didn't want to be in the credits as she didn't wanted to become a full fledged cast member. I understand that.
But by putting her in the credits in her last episode would have been in no way a joke.
By putting her in the credits in her last episode she wouldn't be recognized as a full fledged cast member because she gets killed at the end of the episode. They did it to show that she was a great character and even though this is her last episode she deserves a spot in the credits.
It cost a good bit of money and time to edit opening credits and to get them approved. They would not have wasted money and time if it was just a joke to them. It showed that they took her seriously.
Also after the she left she still had a close relationship with alot of the writers and with Joss. I actually think she did a comic with them. And she also said on various occasions that she loved her time on Buffy and would do it again. Would she say this if the Buffy team did this as a big mean joke or if she held it against them (which she clearly did not).
And also she would not be as heart broken at being killed of as others in the Buffy cast if she said that she is focusing on other roles.
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Post by Midnight Butterfly on Jun 15, 2009 13:46:14 GMT -5
Yes i know that my opinion is just that, an opinion (I've not claimed otherwise). But as I've never even mentioned whether or not Amber was asked about Seeing Red, dunno why you put that to me as to me its irrelevant to me. She asked you because you stated very clearly that "Seeing red was entirely their decision." Yet you dont know if it was or not ;D |
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Post by ambersknight on Jun 15, 2009 13:47:23 GMT -5
Yeah, but these are the same person she refused to come back to work with in season 7 for, amongst other reasons, becuase she disagreed with the storyline of bringing tara as the First, and she felt the fans had been hurt enough.
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Post by Just Willow on Jun 15, 2009 13:48:21 GMT -5
Yes i know that my opinion is just that, an opinion (I've not claimed otherwise). But as I've never even mentioned whether or not Amber was asked about Seeing Red, dunno why you put that to me as to me its irrelevant to me. well, you said it was disrespectful to Amber, as if they were doing it to make fun of her or something. |
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Post by ambersknight on Jun 15, 2009 13:49:47 GMT -5
I stand by that. Amber may have agreed or disaagreed with their decision, but it was still their decision to do it.
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Post by ambersknight on Jun 15, 2009 13:50:17 GMT -5
Not making fun of ehr, but making fun of the fans. My opinion anyway.
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Post by Just Willow on Jun 15, 2009 13:51:41 GMT -5
well yeah, the point was to make fun of the fans and get our hopes up. I love Tara, and i was devastated that she died, but seeing her in the credits and then dying was a pretty good laugh.
clearly you just have a different sense of humour than me, Joss, and a lot of others on this thread do.
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Post by ambersknight on Jun 15, 2009 13:52:48 GMT -5
Yes, I don't find sadism amusing.
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Post by Midnight Butterfly on Jun 15, 2009 13:57:30 GMT -5
Yeah, but these are the same person she refused to come back to work with in season 7 for, amongst other reasons, becuase she disagreed with the storyline of bringing tara as the First, and she felt the fans had been hurt enough. Actually the reason she didn't want to come back was not because she didn't want to upset the fans and definitly not because she disliked anyone. I read in a magazine it was because she wanted to be remembered as the sweet, kind Tara and not the big, evil Tara. That has nothing to do with what I was pointing out. And for you to think that they did it as a joke i believe to rediculous. Never in the six years before that have they done anything mean and yet you believe they just woke up one day and the decided "Lets kill Tara for a laugh". I couldn't disagree more. |
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Post by Just Willow on Jun 15, 2009 13:57:48 GMT -5
it's NOT sadism!
Tara is fictional
Putting Amber in the cresits is in no way showing amusement at death or pain.
It was just a little trick Joss put in to wrongfoot us. Would you prefer a message at the begining and say "Attention viewers, Tara is going to die in this episode, i'm just gonna tell you straight out now, because if i messed with your heads and pointed you in the totally wrong direction that would be too surprising for you."
her DEATH was not a joke. the CREDITS were a joke (for want of a better word). They were more like a mislead, for fun. Plus Amber deserved to be in the credits at least once before she died.
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Post by ambersknight on Jun 15, 2009 14:01:22 GMT -5
No, I would ahve prefrerred at least a lack of dishonesty from him. But it seems he was incapable of that. So busy wanting to screw with his fans he didn't give a damn about being honourable.
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Post by Midnight Butterfly on Jun 15, 2009 14:02:05 GMT -5
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Post by Just Willow on Jun 15, 2009 14:04:41 GMT -5
No, I would ahve prefrerred at least a lack of dishonesty from him. But it seems he was incapable of that. So busy wanting to screw with his fans he didn't give a damn about being honourable. who says he was being dishonorable? he was just messing with our heads. not screwing, messing. It wasn't big enough of a deal to be screwing. And it wasn't dishonest. Amber deserved to be in the credits, and so he put her in there also to give her what she had earned before she left the show. *puts on heated debate face* |
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Post by ambersknight on Jun 15, 2009 14:06:22 GMT -5
Well thats how I se it. Obviously you disagree and to be honest, its not worth all this effort.
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Post by Just Willow on Jun 15, 2009 14:07:38 GMT -5
hell yeah it is! i love to debate, plus our post counts are shooting up while we're at it. to get the ball re-rolling:
tell me how it is sadism.
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Post by Midnight Butterfly on Jun 15, 2009 14:08:10 GMT -5
No, I would ahve prefrerred at least a lack of dishonesty from him. But it seems he was incapable of that. So busy wanting to screw with his fans he didn't give a damn about being honourable. who says he was being dishonorable? he was just messing with our heads. not screwing, messing. It wasn't big enough of a deal to be screwing. And it wasn't dishonest. Amber deserved to be in the credits, and so he put her in there also to give her what she had earned before she left the show. *puts on heated debate face* Finally someone is backing me up. I agree 100%. I loved Tara but understand why they did it and I dont think they were mean or joking at all. |
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Post by ambersknight on Jun 15, 2009 14:09:57 GMT -5
My last post on this, cos to be honest I'm tired of all this.
If you deliberately do something knowing it will cause pain to tohers, and doing it with that reason at the foremost of your mind, then its sadism. Now, technically, sadism is to take sexual pleasure in inflicting pain but if we stretch the popint its not that far off.
But anyway, that's my last post on this issue. possibly any issue.
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You are getting karma for making me laugh my ass off