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Post by ryonizdabest on Jul 19, 2009 4:13:19 GMT -5
Buffy was able to defeat Glory, and Glory and Hamilton are a lot alike (re: strong as hell). With Glory, Buffy had help from the others, both to plan the attack and execute it. In tough love Buffy had the upper hand with glory,And in the last Esp when she didn't use the hammer that scene when glory punches out of her hand .she had the upper hand also in blood ties when spike got blasted and unconscious when Buffy did that flip kick.lol..... |
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Post by Skytteflickan88 on Jul 19, 2009 9:02:12 GMT -5
With Glory, Buffy had help from the others, both to plan the attack and execute it. In tough love Buffy had the upper hand with glory,And in the last Esp when she didn't use the hammer that scene when glory punches out of her hand .she had the upper hand also in blood ties when spike got blasted and unconscious when Buffy did that flip kick.lol..... In Tough Love, Buffy and and Willow runs away from Glory, after Willow, not Buffy, did a thicken-spell to prevent Glory from chasing them. Not what I call a upper hand. In the Gift, Buffy wouldn't have been able to defeat Glory without Anya's idea about the hammer, Willow's brain-sucking thing, and Xander huge ball-thing. Buffy didn't have the upper hand in Blood Ties either. That flip kick you're talking about did not slow Glory down one bit. What slowed Glory down was Tara and Willow's transporation spell. I don't call barely getting out of a fight alive having the upper hand. Every scenario you told me proved my point, that Buffy defeated Glory with the help of her friends. |
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Post by ryonizdabest on Jul 19, 2009 9:33:25 GMT -5
^^^^^^^^^^ Yeah but it is shown that Buffy can handle herself with the big bads and it wasn’t Tara who did the teleportation spell it was Willow, You don’t know what I mean, in the gift she recovered willow spell because she destroyed the Buffy bot. Buffy had the upper without the hammer when glory knocked the hammer out of her hand, and she did another flip kick.
And in tough love, glory didn’t even throw many punches Buffy clearly had the upper hand because glory couldn’t even counter a punch. Buffy was clearly kicking her ass all over...But still in blood ties she still didn’t threw many counter move or punches to damage Buffy. Buffy was doing that to her...
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Post by Skytteflickan88 on Jul 19, 2009 10:01:02 GMT -5
I'm not wrong when I say that Willow AND Tara did the spell. There were chanting on both sides, which means that even tough Willow did most work, I was correct. Why would you argue me on that point?
And I didn't deny that Buffy could handle herself with the big bads, including Glory. But what you see as the "upper hand" when she kicks and punches, I see as desperate defensive moves. From watching those scenes when Glory and Buffy fights, I think that if Buffy and Glory had been forced to fight until death eralier in the season, and Buffy didn't have the ability to run, or the help from her friends, or a great weapon laying around, Glory would have won.
And I don't know what you mean by "in the gift she recovered willow spell because she destroyed the Buffy bot." Who recovered and why?
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Post by wenxina on Jul 19, 2009 10:20:16 GMT -5
I think he meant that Glory recovered, as evidenced by her destroying the Buffybot.
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Post by Skytteflickan88 on Jul 19, 2009 10:27:03 GMT -5
I think he meant that Glory recovered, as evidenced by her destroying the Buffybot. Oh. I guess that could be true. But dhe didn't look or sound recovered to me, so I'm sticking with my "Buffy couldn't have done it alone"-argument. After all, Xander's move was a big help too and made Glory weaker, and that happened after the robot decapitation. Then there's the hammer. |
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Post by wenxina on Jul 19, 2009 10:55:07 GMT -5
Hey, not arguing his point. Glory clearly was still disoriented from Willow's braindrain spell, nevermind confused that the Buffybot's head shot off like a rocket. Buffy needed that disorientation to claim the upper hand in that battle. But then again, her drive to save her sister was most likely also a factor here. The desperation from both Glory and Buffy in that final fight scene is what makes it so palpable, almost to the point of the Angel vs. Spike fight in "Destiny".
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Post by Skytteflickan88 on Jul 19, 2009 11:19:19 GMT -5
Oh, don't worry, I got that you just clearified. Thank you for that.
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Post by ryonizdabest on Jul 19, 2009 11:49:06 GMT -5
I'm not wrong when I say that Willow AND Tara did the spell. There were chanting on both sides, which means that even tough Willow did most work, I was correct. Why would you argue me on that point? And I didn't deny that Buffy could handle herself with the big bads, including Glory. But what you see as the "upper hand" when she kicks and punches, I see as desperate defensive moves. From watching those scenes when Glory and Buffy fights, I think that if Buffy and Glory had been forced to fight until death eralier in the season, and Buffy didn't have the ability to run, or the help from her friends, or a great weapon laying around, Glory would have won. And I don't know what you mean by "in the gift she recovered willow spell because she destroyed the Buffy bot." Who recovered and why? Yeah but why did Willow get the headache not Tara. I am deny that Buffy had the upper hand in the gift ,because on the diving board when glory catches up to Buffy.When glory punches the hammer out of her hand ,she was connecting load of furious punches and that cool kick,i do not call that defensive moves i call that attack your opponent,Buffy didn't need to defend herself with Glory on that scene.. If i am right who pushed Glory to the spot where xander was...!!!,And who was the one who actually could lift the hammer and that is shown her strength and capability.Also it has shown loads of episode that Buffy is capable of doing stuff on her own like season 7 when she was discovering what the first was hiding m,and her FRIENDS choose Faith and all this time Buffy was right..And she was able to out run Caleb.And in season 3 "helpless"she was weak (human) she used her creativity and her environment to smart her enemys... Buffy used her emotion to outrun glory because of dawn,and the pressure of the world ending must made her anger grown incredible.. |
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Post by ukkid on Jul 19, 2009 12:25:39 GMT -5
It's visa versa Buffy needs help from her friends , scoobies need help from Buffy E.G. I know Buffy needed help from willow in the gift , but it wasn't for Buffy she would have not made Glory slow down Aka fighting with her , I hate when everybody saying that Buffy killed Glory with the Hammer ,Angel used a weapon to kill Hamilton he had to bite him to suck energy to be able to kill him .!, but in some episode in Buffy (season5) I thought Buffy Was doing good with Glory ( My opinion ) another E.G .... The scoobies needed help from Buffy as well , In ep tough love ,Willow was about to get killed by Glory But who saved Willow Buffy and kick her ass lol  And then Willow help them to get away .. who was willing to fight Glory i don't see Spike using the Hammer or yeah he can't even lift the damn thing . And in season 7 Buffy found the Scythe And outrun Caleb , i don't see Willow and the scoobies watching it . no their were kissing up to Faith , so i think it visa versa really Angel need help from kill Hamilton , i am sure Hamilton was about to stake Angel but Connor interrupted and blasted him through a window Is this the thread about Glory vs Buffy !  |
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Post by Skytteflickan88 on Jul 19, 2009 12:29:08 GMT -5
Yeah but why did Willow get the headache not Tara. Because, like I said Please read your post and edit before posting. You don't mean "I deny that Buffy had the upper hand in the Gift" do you? You're right, in the Gift, Buffy had the upper hand all the time in that episode. Because her friends were helping her which was my point from the beginning. What are you talking about? I have never said that Xander would have been able to hit Glory without Buffy. I have never said Buffy couldn't life the hammer, or that Buffy lack in strength and capability. I made the point about Xander, to show you that her friends helped her defeat Glory. I have never said that Buffy can't fight on her own, and we are not talking about season 7 or season 3, we are talking about Glory. Answer me this(but think carefully before you post. I'm not saying this to be rude, but I can hardly understand what you are writing) because this is what I've been saying all along. Do you think Buffy could have defeated Glory in the Gift without any help at all from her friends? Do you deny that in the Gift, her friends helped her a lot? Because that was the point I made in the beginning. Is this the thread about Glory vs Buffy ! I'm sorry, but I got frustrated. And you're right about the scoobies helping Buffy, and Buffy helping the scoobies. Sometimes they fight on their own, but more often than not, it's a team effort. |
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Post by ukkid on Jul 19, 2009 12:36:27 GMT -5
Yeah a team effort lol |
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Post by The Night Lord on Jul 20, 2009 3:31:02 GMT -5
We're waaaay off the mark here. This thread is about Buffy vs Hamilton, but for reason we've ended up debating about Buffy vs Glory
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Post by gumgnome on Jul 20, 2009 7:08:21 GMT -5
I agree that this is totally off topic, but I feel like weighing in! I agree with Sky that if Buffy had fought Glory to the death earlier in the Season, Glory would have won. Let's face it - that's why Buffy runs away!
I think that Glory generally weakens towards the end of Season 5 because the barrier between her and Ben is breaking down. She feels pain in "The Weight of the World" after Ben is hit with the shackles (?) and is clearly not on her best form for the fight in The Gift.
I also think that it's silly to argue that Buffy doesn't need her friends. Surely this is one of the main themes of the show - that we should help our friends and accept help from them in times of need. Bad things always happen on the show when either of these two axioms are discarded.
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Post by ryan on Jul 20, 2009 13:45:39 GMT -5
I agree that this is totally off topic, but I feel like weighing in! I agree with Sky that if Buffy had fought Glory to the death earlier in the Season, Glory would have won. Let's face it - that's why Buffy runs away! I think that Glory generally weakens towards the end of Season 5 because the barrier between her and Ben is breaking down. She feels pain in "The Weight of the World" after Ben is hit with the shackles (?) and is clearly not on her best form for the fight in The Gift. I also think that it's silly to argue that Buffy doesn't need her friends. Surely this is one of the main themes of the show - that we should help our friends and accept help from them in times of need. Bad things always happen on the show when either of these two axioms are discarded. Yeah but Glory and the Ben situation was their day one so thats not really excuse for Buffy having the upper hand. And if i was right they both fight to be in the same body but clearly glory was stronger so thats why glory maintain in Ben's body.But,at the end of the gift she was getting battered around all corner so that how Glory came weak and thats how Ben could take over. I recall that an upper hand in tough love because Glory could even blocked Buffy moves, and Buffy was and used her imagination to outsmart Glory when she did that clever t kick when glory blocked that punch, and i also recall when Buffy just kick the chair and blasted Glory to the wall...I do agree with UKKID points because it is visa versa Buffy friends need her and she needs them..But i disagree when you say Buffy need her friend all the time...Becasuse it has shown Buffy is capable of doing stuff of her own.. Anyway lets get back to topic,I think Buffy has her emotion to bring her closer to outrun her opponent,Caleb i think is much stronger then Hamligton.Same situation but clearly the first probably had the more power because it made W&H into a firm ,what deals with magics and power and evil stuff ,but if it wasn't for the first to let them recognize themselves with evil they probably just be a random law firm. So buffy outrun caleb with her speed and thanks for the envirment to let her find the scthy ,Or yes her friend trusted fiath more.....And guess who was right Buffy !! lol |
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Post by lightandmagic on Jul 20, 2009 14:23:22 GMT -5
In terms of Glory, Buffy never had the upper hand ever. If it wasn't for the Olaf's Hammer and the Dagon Sphere, as well as Willow's brain spell, Buffy would have died a horrible bloody death.
Glory is a God. She got hit by a gigantic Mac truck and she survived, and hell, was only slowed down because Ben took over her body. If Buffy has been hit by a Mac truck, well the show would be over cause Buffy would be dead.
In term of Hamilton, it's incredibly hard to say. We know that Buffy is stronger than Angel. But it's hard to gage by how much. Angel was getting thrown around like a rag doll before he sucked some of the power out of Hamilton. I believe if it was simple hand to hand, we'd have a dead Buffy on our hands. I think if she had time to plan it out, had her friends to help her, and the scythe with her, she'd gain the upper hand against Hamilton. The show has always made it plainly clear that Buffy's greatest weapon has and always will be her friends, and that without them she would not be as powerful as she is.
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Post by ryan on Jul 20, 2009 14:52:51 GMT -5
In terms of Glory, Buffy never had the upper hand ever. If it wasn't for the Olaf's Hammer and the Dagny Sphere, as well as Willow's brain spell, Buffy would have died a horrible bloody death. Glory is a God. She got hit by a gigantic Mac truck and she survived, and hell, was only slowed down because Ben took over her body. If Buffy has been hit by a Mac truck, well the show would be over cause Buffy would be dead. In term of Hamilton, it's incredibly hard to say. We know that Buffy is stronger than Angel. But it's hard to gage by how much. Angel was getting thrown around like a rag doll before he sucked some of the power out of Hamilton. I believe if it was simple hand to hand, we'd have a dead Buffy on our hands. I think if she had time to plan it out, had her friends to help her, and the scythe with her, she'd gain the upper hand against Hamilton. The show has always made it plainly clear that Buffy's greatest weapon has and always will be her friends, and that without them she would not be as powerful as she is. Yeah but who lifted the Olaf's hammer,i am sure joss put that hammer for a reason to sure Buffy has greater strength then Spike and Angel. And i didn't recall that the gift shown Buffy had the hammer all the time, when she didn't she was kicking her butt.I thought she recovered willow spells.And for the Ben reason why it did not break down when they had a fight but the only reason Glory turned in to Ben because Buffy was making Glory weak,so Glory turned into Ben. About the truck we don't know because she fell down like more then 100 feet or something , and when she landed she looks so peaceful..And in season 3 she survived a fast rushing car in Ann.. Buffy is more imaginative and stronger then Angel,she outsmarted Caleb in one fight and in that fight she Had the upper hand when she covered Unconscious and she used her emotion to give her a edge to outrun Caleb.And if she used her scythe Hamilton will be sliced and diced like in two swings.If the scythe is build for the slayer too kill the last pure demon on earth..And when you recall Buffy stronger then Angel you admitted Buffy will win,why is it okkay when angel uses his weapon and not Buffy's the scythe was build for the slayer to give them more power..And Angel used his weapon to win (teeth) And Connor able to blast him and faith can totally kick his ass and Buffy can kick faith ass.lol. i do agree that Buffy doesn't need her friends all the time because in season 7 when her friends trusted Faith but who was right after all .Buffy and she outsmarted Caleb and confused him to get her reward.But then again her friends do help her,like again its like visa versa her friends needs her and she need them. Thats what call l team work Goo SCOOBIES..  |
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Post by The Night Lord on Jul 20, 2009 14:54:29 GMT -5
Okay peoples, say it with me: HAM-IL-TON, not Hamligton
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Post by ryan on Jul 20, 2009 14:56:18 GMT -5
^^^sorry i get confused lol..
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Post by Skytteflickan88 on Jul 20, 2009 14:59:04 GMT -5
HAM-IL-WHO-CARES
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