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Post by ukkid on Jul 17, 2009 13:14:16 GMT -5
Who will win out of Buffy or Marcus Hamilton i think Buffy will win way way lol  because Buffy is allot stronger then Angel , but Angel lacked his skills on the environment But ! Buffy uses her environment and her speed and creativity all of the time example she outrun Caleb for the scythe . !    |
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Post by The Night Lord on Jul 17, 2009 19:31:08 GMT -5
I think Buffy would have a very tough fight on her hands. Hamilton is considered one of the most strongest beings in the Buffyverse. The power of the Senior Partners run through his veins, filling him with immense power
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Post by Overkill on Jul 17, 2009 20:28:35 GMT -5
Marcus Hamilton, easily. I mean, he beat the living crap out of Illyria. Even though Illyria's depowered, she's still waaay more powerful than Buffy.
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Post by gumgnome on Jul 18, 2009 7:09:34 GMT -5
It would be one of those Caleb situations where Buffy would have the living snot beaten out of her a couple of times, but then she'd win in an all-or-nothing fight with inspirational music and some first-class quipping.
Marcus Hamilton is strong sure, but Caleb (with the power of the original evil in his veins) and Glory (god!) was pretty damn strong as well so I definitely think Buffy has it in her to stomp his ass into the ground.
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Post by Skytteflickan88 on Jul 18, 2009 7:16:48 GMT -5
I think it could go either way.
I would expect Buffy to win, but some day, someone/something will probably kill her, and Hamilton could have been the one.
Angel won because he drank ftom Hamilton, but Buffy can't do that. But I think Illyria lost because she's not used to fighting anything that can actually put up a fight, at least not in her new from, while Buffy has a lot of experience of fighting physically stronger creatures, so she stands a chance.
It could go either way. But if it happened on the show, it would probably go like gumgnome says; Several fights, quips and music.
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Post by ukkid on Jul 18, 2009 7:28:17 GMT -5
It would be one of those Caleb situations where Buffy would have the living snot beaten out of her a couple of times, but then she'd win in an all-or-nothing fight with inspirational music and some first-class quipping. Marcus Hamilton is strong sure, but Caleb (with the power of the original evil in his veins) and Glory (god!) was pretty damn strong as well so I definitely think Buffy has it in her to stomp his ass into the ground. ^^^ Really good point becuase i think the power of the first is more stronger then the power of the Senior Partners becuase the first is the original evil , Plus she took on a GOD !!!! come on !! you seen want Glory did to spike and illyria carn't even touch spike , yeah i know illyria killed spike in second but i am sure Glory would of and the reason Glory kept Spike alive becuase she wanted to know where the key is and Spike is stronger then Angel , and Hamilton beated the crap out of Angel becuase he was just i normal vampire but Buffy is stronger then vampire i just imagine that Buffy might get brayed at first , but she will use her creativity and emotions to defeat and take the upperhand . And i am pretty sure Glory is stronger then Hamilton.! |
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Post by Skytteflickan88 on Jul 18, 2009 7:36:28 GMT -5
you seen want Glory did to spike and illyria carn't even touch spike , yeah i know illyria killed spike in second but i am sure Glory would of and the reason Glory kept Spike alive becuase she wanted to know where the key is "Glory would of"? I think I missed a few of your points there, but why would you think Spike could take Illyria? He has never been shown to be able to kick her ass. I assume you meant that Glory is stronger than Hamilton, and since Buffy could take Glory she could take Hamilton? (Maybe you should slow down a little bit, use more punctuation, one point per sentence?) Buffy only defeated Glory because the others helped her. |
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Post by The Night Lord on Jul 18, 2009 7:41:45 GMT -5
ukkid, could you please check your spelling before you post? Make sure there is puncuation and correct spelling. Right, moving on. With Glory vs Hamilton, I think Hamilton would win in the end. Yes, Glory is a god, albeit a de-powered god (well, not as strong as her true form). Also, if Hamilton can defeat Illyria (who I imagine is just a little stronger than Buffy), then I'm sure he can defeat Buffy, creativity and emotions or not
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Post by ryonizdabest on Jul 18, 2009 7:56:06 GMT -5
ukkid, could you please check your spelling before you post? Make sure there is puncuation and correct spelling. Right, moving on. With Glory vs Hamilton, I think Hamilton would win in the end. Yes, Glory is a god, albeit a de-powered god (well, not as strong as her true form). Also, if Hamilton can defeat Illyria (who I imagine is just a little stronger than Buffy), then I'm sure he can defeat Buffy, creativity and emotions or not Actually her emotion gives her power and strength she already has physical strength so the emotion that concieve her gives her the extra edge to give the enemy run for their money.Yeah but Buffy isnt just a normal slayer she the queen she alway wins fights and the oppent is alot stronger so i disagree when hamlington beaten down Buffy.Angel figured it out i am surly the Queen can.And illyria is not stronger then Buffy if she all pissed off.becasue she used her creativity and her speed and her envirment..The first evil is alot stronger then the W&H ,the first evil that walked on earth. |
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Post by ryonizdabest on Jul 18, 2009 8:07:23 GMT -5
I think it could go either way. I would expect Buffy to win, but some day, someone/something will probably kill her, and Hamilton could have been the one. Angel won because he drank ftom Hamilton, but Buffy can't do that. But I think Illyria lost because she's not used to fighting anything that can actually put up a fight, at least not in her new from, while Buffy has a lot of experience of fighting physically stronger creatures, so she stands a chance. It could go either way. But if it happened on the show, it would probably go like gumgnome says; Several fights, quips and music. Every body is forgetting her slayer weapon.Might for to destroy the last pure demon on earth aka old ones.....Angel figured it out and buffy is alot clever and stronger fighter and you are right she had alot of experiance fighting bigger big bad then hamlington,Glory she a hell god she will have the upper hand with hamligton,Caleb is in the same situation with W&H hamligton.SO you see how easy Buffy defeated Caleb when she figured out that Caleb had something off hers.So she confused him and she did her speed and she used her environment to get where she wanted....What happened if Hamligton couldn't even cacth her like Caleb couldnt even conceive. |
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Post by Skytteflickan88 on Jul 18, 2009 8:28:50 GMT -5
ukkid, could you please check your spelling before you post? Make sure there is puncuation and correct spelling. Right, moving on. With Glory vs Hamilton, I think Hamilton would win in the end. Yes, Glory is a god, albeit a de-powered god (well, not as strong as her true form). Also, if Hamilton can defeat Illyria (who I imagine is just a little stronger than Buffy), then I'm sure he can defeat Buffy, creativity and emotions or not Actually her emotion gives her power and strength she already has physical strength so the emotion that concieve her gives her the extra edge to give the enemy run for their money.Yeah but Buffy isnt just a normal slayer she the queen she alway wins fights and the oppent is alot stronger so i disagree when hamlington beaten down Buffy.Angel figured it out i am surly the Queen can.And illyria is not stronger then Buffy if she all pissed off.becasue she used her creativity and her speed and her envirment..The first evil is alot stronger then the W&H ,the first evil that walked on earth. You know that Buffy isn't technically the queen, right? That's just a title of a book and a nick-name of sorts, since she's the leader of the slayer army? There might be lots of slayers out there who are even more skilled than Buffy. And she has lost plenty of fights. Why do you think the First Evil is stronger than W&H? First of, it's biggest power seems to be manipulation and ability to supercharge it's followers(like Caleb) while W&H has control and power of lots of dark magic. I'm not saying that W&H could beat the first evil, since it has no corporeal form and if it was honest about it always being able to live on in people's anger and fear and hate, it can never be killed. But W&H seems to have the most power, which means it's stronger, that way. EDIT- I think it could go either way. I would expect Buffy to win, but some day, someone/something will probably kill her, and Hamilton could have been the one. Angel won because he drank ftom Hamilton, but Buffy can't do that. But I think Illyria lost because she's not used to fighting anything that can actually put up a fight, at least not in her new from, while Buffy has a lot of experience of fighting physically stronger creatures, so she stands a chance. It could go either way. But if it happened on the show, it would probably go like gumgnome says; Several fights, quips and music. Every body is forgetting her slayer weapon.Might for to destroy the last pure demon on earth aka old ones.....Angel figured it out and buffy is alot clever and stronger fighter and you are right she had alot of experiance fighting bigger big bad then hamlington,Glory she a hell god she will have the upper hand with hamligton,Caleb is in the same situation with W&H hamligton.SO you see how easy Buffy defeated Caleb when she figured out that Caleb had something off hers.So she confused him and she did her speed and she used her environment to get where she wanted....What happened if Hamligton couldn't even cacth her like Caleb couldnt even conceive. 1. We're not forgetting the weapon, we're talking about the strength of the characters. If we handed Buffy the schyte and Hamilton a laser-sword-thing, the battle would still be equal. 2. I don't know what point you're trying to make. You say "Angel figured it out" but I don't get what you mean. What did Angel figure out? What does whatever he figured out to do with what you said next? You need to slow down, make sure every point you make is clear and in proper English before moving on to the next point, because I have no idea what kind of conclusion we're suppose to draw from this "Glory she a hell god she will have the upper hand with hamligton,Caleb is in the same situation with W&H hamligton" or "What happened if Hamligton couldn't even cacth her like Caleb couldnt even conceive." |
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Post by Kratos on Jul 18, 2009 12:37:18 GMT -5
Buffy vs Hamilton, my vote goes to Buffy. Buffy wouldn't be able to do Angel's way of killing Hamilton but she would do it in other ways. Being stronger,much faster then Angel, Hamilton would have trouble catching her like how Caleb had trouble. Buffy quickly figured it out after two fights, the way to beat Caleb wasn't meeting strength with strength. Physically Caleb and Hamilton were stronger then Buffy, but strength isn't everything, there are ways to overcome it. Really good point becuase i think the power of the first is more stronger then the power of the Senior Partners becuase the first is the original evil , Plus she took on a GOD !!!! come on !! you seen want Glory did to spike and illyria carn't even touch spike , yeah i know illyria killed spike in second Agreed, the First>>>W&H. Angel didn't really beat Hamilton because he was a better fighter, he got lucky and stole Hamilton's power by drinking from him. By that logic Spike should have been able to drink from Glory and killed her without Buffy having to do it. Or if Spike had drank from Illyria, he would have been an unstoppable vampire with the blood of an old one coursing trough his veins. But you are right, Illyria dusted Spike before he even had a chance to fight back, Angel did get a chance and was dusted head-on, not like the backstabbing suprise attack Illyria pulled on Spike. Also at the end of the episode, Spike is the only one to succesfully fight and hold back a fully powered Illyria after Angel saved Spike from dusting. |
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Post by gumgnome on Jul 18, 2009 17:04:17 GMT -5
Why do you think the First Evil is stronger than W&H? First of, it's biggest power seems to be manipulation and ability to supercharge it's followers(like Caleb) while W&H has control and power of lots of dark magic. I'm not saying that W&H could beat the first evil, since it has no corporeal form and if it was honest about it always being able to live on in people's anger and fear and hate, it can never be killed. But W&H seems to have the most power, which means it's stronger, that way. I would argue that if The First's biggest power seems to be manipulating people and super-charging Caleb, then W&H's 'biggest' power is manipulating and super-charging Hamilton, since he is the strongest thing we see them throw at Angel. Arguing over who is stronger between The First and W&H is difficult because we never get a straight comparison. It comes down to a little bit of logic and lots of speculation. I guess I would argue that it is likely that The First is stronger because it literally embodies all evil, including the evil that W&H spread and represent. One could argue that the more power and evil that W&H gather, the stronger The First becomes, because that evil would allow it to grow. Therefore, a super-charged Caleb is probably stronger than a super-charged Hamilton. Buffy defeated Caleb, ergo I believe she could beat Hamilton. |
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Post by Wyndam on Jul 18, 2009 17:09:03 GMT -5
I agree that it is hard to judge who is stronger out of The First and W&H. We know that without The First, W&H wouldn't even exist, but that doesn't necessarily mean they are stronger. All we ever really saw The First do is amass an army and play with everyone's heads. We know W&H can do the same thing.
So The First > W&H or W&H > The First is really just impossible to determine. We have no idea the full scope of either power.
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Post by Skytteflickan88 on Jul 18, 2009 17:12:46 GMT -5
Therefore, a super-charged Caleb is probably stronger than a super-charged Hamilton. Buffy defeated Caleb, ergo I believe she could beat Hamilton. Let's make this even more confusing by assuming that demons can get super-charged "better" than humans, and hold more power, and then try to determine whether Caleb or Hamilton are originally humans or demons, and then argue about who is stronger. Mohahaha. |
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Post by gumgnome on Jul 18, 2009 17:13:32 GMT -5
I agree that it is hard to judge who is stronger out of The First and W&H. We know that without The First, W&H wouldn't even exist, but that doesn't necessarily mean they are stronger. All we ever really saw The First do is amass an army and play with everyone's heads. We know W&H can do the same thing. So The First > W&H or W&H > The First is really just impossible to determine. We have no idea the full scope of either power. This is true. I'm also uncertain about whether The First is meant to represent the combined evil from every possible dimension or just the one in which our tale is located. W&H clearly have their fingers in many dimensional pies and so could have power beyond The First in this way. |
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Post by henzINNIT on Jul 18, 2009 17:23:01 GMT -5
I actually think W+H command more power than the First does.
The First is a potent entity and undeniably undefeatable, but what physical presence can it muster besides some blind followers (pun intended)?... An army below the ground and the ability to super-charge a sexist preacher (both dead now, lol)
W+H's resources seem almost limitless.
Buffy could defeat Hamilton though, cause... well. Angel could.
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Post by Skytteflickan88 on Jul 18, 2009 17:26:22 GMT -5
Buffy could defeat Hamilton though, cause... well. Angel could. But Angel might never have won if he hadn't been a vampire and able to absorb the power in Hamilton's blood. I'm not sure Buffy biting Hamilton would work... |
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Post by Wyndam on Jul 18, 2009 18:26:39 GMT -5
Buffy was able to defeat Glory, and Glory and Hamilton are a lot alike (re: strong as hell).
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Post by Skytteflickan88 on Jul 18, 2009 18:37:10 GMT -5
Buffy was able to defeat Glory, and Glory and Hamilton are a lot alike (re: strong as hell). With Glory, Buffy had help from the others, both to plan the attack and execute it. |
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