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Post by hitnrun017 on Apr 11, 2009 20:16:33 GMT -5
I wasn't very surprised that Dominic was the NSA mole. I'm glad that he got caught; he honestly just unnerved me. Did he grab a gun from someone really quick and shoot Dewitt? She's a badass if she can just take a bullet and move on. I think he was trying to kill himself and Adelle said "stop him", someone grabbed his hand and the gun went off. That scene was incredibly freaky. |
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Post by wenxina on Apr 11, 2009 20:36:53 GMT -5
The British accent was a nice edition; this is 3 accents for him now? English, Russian, and British. Rock on. Do you mean "American" as one of the accents? Coz English and British... usually interchangeable. |
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Post by Nicholas on Apr 12, 2009 0:31:26 GMT -5
I definately get that sad feeling in my gut when I see the scene between Roger and Adelle. I think she began to cry because she had to leave Roger and leave him for good when he was exactly what she wanted. And this also poses a question: considering Roger knew about the Dollhouse and who Adelle was, wouldn't that mean Topher knew he was going to see Adelle?
And does anyone else find Victor hot? I mean, like biteable and delicious. That body of his, makes me sweat. There was panting. When he was getting imprinted and kept making O faces and noises....the things I would do to that boy. Just hand me him and the chair.
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Post by wenxina on Apr 12, 2009 1:02:53 GMT -5
And this also poses a question: considering Roger knew about the Dollhouse and who Adelle was, wouldn't that mean Topher knew he was going to see Adelle? Using "Mellie" as a template, I'd argue that the "memories" of a personality are retained on file. Meaning that Topher merely needed to create a composite of various desirable traits, including trustworthiness. Adelle would merely have to tell "Roger" about the Dollhouse once, and he'd "remember" every time they met up. I'm pretty sure that Adelle kept the whole Roger thing completely under wraps, even from Topher, judging from his snarky comment about Miss Lonely Hearts meeting an octogenarian. |
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Post by henzINNIT on Apr 12, 2009 8:02:12 GMT -5
Poor Ballard. Great scene. The episode was great again, not the best, but the show is definately roaring now. I hope if it doesn't survive to a second season, the finale is satisfying.
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Post by redhead on Apr 12, 2009 12:11:06 GMT -5
I watched the episode again and I think Laurence was sending Ballard the messages. The chip that Topher found was set up by Laurence, and that was the technology that was effecting imprints. I think Laurence was sending messages to Ballard to send him off in the wrong direction though. Laurence told DeWitt that without him Ballard would have found the Dollhouse. Since Ballard got the message from Echo he has basically turned into a crazy guy who doesn't wash and stays in his apartment all the time. Its basically giving him a breakdown. Then in this episode, the one person who he thinks he can trust turns out to be a Doll, sending him over the edge even more...
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Post by underbuffysspell on Apr 13, 2009 1:13:01 GMT -5
And does anyone else find Victor hot? I mean, like biteable and delicious. That body of his, makes me sweat. There was panting. When he was getting imprinted and kept making O faces and noises....the things I would do to that boy. Just hand me him and the chair. I highly agree with you!! We could share? Adelle has him Monday, you on Tuesday, and me on Wednesday? |
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Post by Vail on Apr 13, 2009 14:25:16 GMT -5
Wow! That was even more impressive than last week's!! I liked how every engagement had something unique and the non-linear progression of the whole episode. Besides, the Attic is no longer the Boogeyman of the Dollhouse: is their creepy neighbour who knocks at the door. And when I say creepy I MEAN really frightening scene. Every single character had something to add, so I'll just comment on the 2 that had biggest revelations for the show. Firstly, Paul keeping with the lie of his relationship with Mellie made me jump. He desperately wants to destroy that Dollhouse. He's a friking hero! He realised what was all about and act mainly as if nothing had happened. Yay Joss and the writers, cause they are going one (or four maybe) steps further from the whole "Oh my life is a lie and I'm nothing more than another Dollhouse client, where are my morals?" I was expecting to see developed with Ballard. That was more cold-blooded than I had ever anticipated, even for this show. Second character was Echo. And I specifically mean Echo, not Caroline. Caroline wanted to free them all, while Echo wanted to help, to be her best and to save the Dollhouse. They might indeed put Caroline to sleep for a while, so that Echo's personality is protecting herself. That's the way I see it after last episode's last scene. Echo vs. Caroline, something like Ben and Glory before they started to merge. I wish they develop something like that in the, um, 3 episodes left  |
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Post by hitnrun017 on Apr 13, 2009 19:45:11 GMT -5
I watched the episode again and I think Laurence was sending Ballard the messages. The chip that Topher found was set up by Laurence, and that was the technology that was effecting imprints. I think Laurence was sending messages to Ballard to send him off in the wrong direction though. Laurence told DeWitt that without him Ballard would have found the Dollhouse. Since Ballard got the message from Echo he has basically turned into a crazy guy who doesn't wash and stays in his apartment all the time. Its basically giving him a breakdown. Then in this episode, the one person who he thinks he can trust turns out to be a Doll, sending him over the edge even more... I think I agree with this. After the episode aired, I thought the person sending the messages was someone completely different and had no relation to what Laurence did, but rewatching some parts, that just doesn't make much sense. Like readhead said, Laurence put the chip thingy in the chair, and that's what changed the imprints... there really isn't much to it. |
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Post by Marcos on Apr 13, 2009 20:32:30 GMT -5
I watched the episode again and I think Laurence was sending Ballard the messages. The chip that Topher found was set up by Laurence, and that was the technology that was effecting imprints. I think Laurence was sending messages to Ballard to send him off in the wrong direction though. Laurence told DeWitt that without him Ballard would have found the Dollhouse. Since Ballard got the message from Echo he has basically turned into a crazy guy who doesn't wash and stays in his apartment all the time. Its basically giving him a breakdown. Then in this episode, the one person who he thinks he can trust turns out to be a Doll, sending him over the edge even more... I think I agree with this. After the episode aired, I thought the person sending the messages was someone completely different and had no relation to what Laurence did, but rewatching some parts, that just doesn't make much sense. Like readhead said, Laurence put the chip thingy in the chair, and that's what changed the imprints... there really isn't much to it. Yeah, that makes sense but.... it doesn't make sense. Lawrence was protecting the DH. He tried to kill Echo, after all. But it's pretty obvious that Lawrence is the chip spy. Cause the chip is NSA, and it's kinda impossible to have two NSA spies in there, with two different agendas. I guess that maybe the chip is not what send the messages through the actives. It doesn't make any sense that Lawrence was helping Ballard, sending an active to his apartment and giving him another proof of the DH's existence. Maybe the chip was put in the chair so he could find out who is the other spy. My theory also goes all the way to Man on the Street, when Topher was making Echo's imprint, and then Boyd called him, they talked about Echo's new imprint, and then Topher went back in and finished the imprint. That imprint was the one that the spy used to send Paul the message in the restaurant (after beating the crap out of him, btw). It looked, to me, that the Boyd/Topher talk gave the spy the window to change the imprint... My two cents goes on Boyd, being helped by Saunders (too mysterious) and Ivy (she actually confessed she could mess with Topher's work). Well, we'll find out soon enough  |
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Post by Skeptic on Apr 14, 2009 16:58:39 GMT -5
I finally got to watch this ep yesterday on Hulu and loved it! I think the show is now on solid ground. It was touch and go there for a while, but I think the 'iffy' time has finally passed. Dollhouse is must-watch for me and I think it's probably just going to improve from here and become a great show. Yey!
If Fox is doing any kind of internet-trolling for fan opinion, I can almost be sure that they're seeing fan approval in larger numbers every week. I kind of pop in and look at the #dollhouse hashtag on Twitter occasionally during the week, and opinion on the eps and show in general has done a big turnaround from what it was when the first episode aired. I think Fox could take a chance and green light a 2nd season without much skin off their back, from the articles I've read.
Oh, and btw? Adelle was super hot in that black getup, swinging that sword around. *fan self*
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Post by wenxina on Apr 14, 2009 18:37:50 GMT -5
Oh, and btw? Adelle was super hot in that black getup, swinging that sword around. *fan self* Didn't I point out a long time ago that Adelle is utterly hot in that corset-ish get up. And rapiers make just about anyone look hot.  |
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Post by Marcos on Apr 14, 2009 19:12:06 GMT -5
Oh, and btw? Adelle was super hot in that black getup, swinging that sword around. *fan self* Didn't I point out a long time ago that Adelle is utterly hot in that corset-ish get up. And rapiers make just about anyone look hot. Imo, powerful females + british accent = smocking hotness! |
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Post by Skeptic on Apr 14, 2009 21:03:14 GMT -5
Didn't I point out a long time ago that Adelle is utterly hot in that corset-ish get up. And rapiers make just about anyone look hot. Imo, powerful females + british accent = smocking hotness! It totally bears repeating: Adele: brains + power + money = sexy = Adele. The tight black stuff and the crazy fencing and the bottled-up emotional neediness and the decisive way she ignores a bullet lodged in her gut so she can get on with work... Adele is hardcore. *le sigh* <3 |
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Post by Marcos on Apr 14, 2009 21:38:23 GMT -5
Yeah, the bullet thing was hot indeed! The lady is wounded and she still looks like the prettiest and most powerful person in the room.
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Post by siredbyspike on Apr 16, 2009 0:38:52 GMT -5
So i just finished watching this on Hulu, and i'm starting to like the show more and more. This episode was one of the better ones in my opinion. However i found myself wondering the most random things, like when Sierra and Mellie woke up in the chair in their pj's, where did they think they were? They told Mellie the airport shuttle would take her home, so i am assuming she thought she was at the airport...but wasn't she the least bit curious why she was laid back in a chair with people standing around her? So i am telling myself they are still in a bit of a daze through the whole process of waking up, getting dressed for the engagement, and actually getting there, just to make myself feel better about it. Or that Topher imprints them not to question where they wake up. I don't even know why it bugs me, but it does, lol. Thankfully Echo brought it up when she said "i can't find a spy in my pajamas". The second random thing i found myself wondering about was the health of the dolls. Obviously they see Dr. Saunders after each engagement, probably before any as well. And they are well fed, in shape, healthy and probably have the best healthcare you could ask for--but do they screen the clients who hire them for sex romps for S.T.D's and such? Lol. It's bad enough that the dolls could go out on an engagement and catch a cold bug or something, but what if they came back with something else you couldn't wash off? Then would they retire them to the attic if it was something permanent? And as for the ones that do catch a cold, or say pull a tendon or something that isn't permanent- do they have some kind of infirmary where they treat them and they rest for a while? Or is it straight to the attic to heal? I picture the attic as a very creepy sort of mental asylum and i really hope we get to see it. That whole idea of erasing minds and imprinting them fascinates me. And i also wonder that if a doll is sick or in pain, is it possible for Topher to imprint them to not feel the pain or would that even work? When someone like Lawrence is wiped and sent to the attic, i wonder if they have control of their bodily functions and can feed themselves and all or if they are complete vegetables. I assume that they would still be able to walk, talk and function. That way,as Adelle said, when the NSA comes to look for him they can quickly imprint him again and he will still be able to maintain the illusion and won't have atrophied muscles or anything. Wow, i really think too much about stuff like this, lol. I just wanted to throw this out there and get some other opinions on it, i'm not as crazy as i sound, i promise!! I guess i just think about weird stuff- which is a good thing in this case cause at least i like the show enough to be so curious about dumb little details like that.  |
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Post by redhead on Apr 16, 2009 4:55:40 GMT -5
So i just finished watching this on Hulu, and i'm starting to like the show more and more. This episode was one of the better ones in my opinion. However i found myself wondering the most random things, like when Sierra and Mellie woke up in the chair in their pj's, where did they think they were? They told Mellie the airport shuttle would take her home, so i am assuming she thought she was at the airport...but wasn't she the least bit curious why she was laid back in a chair with people standing around her? So i am telling myself they are still in a bit of a daze through the whole process of waking up, getting dressed for the engagement, and actually getting there, just to make myself feel better about it. Or that Topher imprints them not to question where they wake up. I don't even know why it bugs me, but it does, lol. Thankfully Echo brought it up when she said "i can't find a spy in my pajamas". The second random thing i found myself wondering about was the health of the dolls. Obviously they see Dr. Saunders after each engagement, probably before any as well. And they are well fed, in shape, healthy and probably have the best healthcare you could ask for--but do they screen the clients who hire them for sex romps for S.T.D's and such? Lol. It's bad enough that the dolls could go out on an engagement and catch a cold bug or something, but what if they came back with something else you couldn't wash off? Then would they retire them to the attic if it was something permanent? And as for the ones that do catch a cold, or say pull a tendon or something that isn't permanent- do they have some kind of infirmary where they treat them and they rest for a while? Or is it straight to the attic to heal? I picture the attic as a very creepy sort of mental asylum and i really hope we get to see it. That whole idea of erasing minds and imprinting them fascinates me. And i also wonder that if a doll is sick or in pain, is it possible for Topher to imprint them to not feel the pain or would that even work? When someone like Lawrence is wiped and sent to the attic, i wonder if they have control of their bodily functions and can feed themselves and all or if they are complete vegetables. I assume that they would still be able to walk, talk and function. That way,as Adelle said, when the NSA comes to look for him they can quickly imprint him again and he will still be able to maintain the illusion and won't have atrophied muscles or anything. The lack of questioning from Dolls when they get imprinted confused me a bit as well. I think, like you said, they are very dazed after being imprinted and so are easy to manipulate. I guess also because the dolls have this trust in their handlers they believe whatever they are told by them, so if Mellie's handler says she is at an airport she believes him. I guess they must test clients before they can "rent" dolls, so would know if the clients had any health issues. I guess this must go wrong sometimes though (like in the episode with the crazy guy who was hunting Echo), and if the dolls do get permanently "damaged" (really bad word to use) I imagine they would get sent to the attic. I view the attic as basically a load of people in comas. All in boxes, with easy access so if needed can be imprinted easily. |
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Post by AndrewCrossett on Apr 16, 2009 8:13:54 GMT -5
I've wondered about the sexual consequences of these engagements too. I assume clients have to agree to be screened for STD's before any sexual encounter with an active, but what about pregnancy? A pregnant doll would be a problem, obviously. Since no method of temporary birth control is 100%... do the Actives have to get vasectomies and tubal ligations? Would they automatically perform an abortion on any female active who gets pregnant?
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Post by wenxina on Apr 16, 2009 11:55:46 GMT -5
I'd venture a guess and say that the female Actives are on some kind of BC, and in the unlikely incidence of a pregnancy... an abortion would probably be in call for. Unless of course Rossum Corp. wants more fetuses to experiment on.
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Post by Nicholas on Apr 17, 2009 13:08:23 GMT -5
That would make sense with Laurence turning out to be the spy considering the chip was put into the chair by him, however it seems odd that he would send out Echo on missions like that when he clearly wanted her dead. I guess we wont find out until hopefully the next episode on whether or not the Dolls are still being tampered with.
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