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Post by AndrewCrossett on Jul 2, 2009 17:41:29 GMT -5
While re-reading the issue for about the sixth time just now, I noticed the background of the panel where Buffy and Giles are hugging. Faith is waving hello to Willow and Kennedy. Willow gives her a pleasant smile, but Kennedy is giving her a really nasty look. Wonder what that's all about?
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Post by Hallow Thorn on Jul 2, 2009 18:00:54 GMT -5
While re-reading the issue for about the sixth time just now, I noticed the background of the panel where Buffy and Giles are hugging. Faith is waving hello to Willow and Kennedy. Willow gives her a pleasant smile, but Kennedy is giving her a really nasty look. Wonder what that's all about? Kennedy is a cow? maybe she doesn't like Willow having friends?  |
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Post by Emmie on Jul 2, 2009 18:32:16 GMT -5
I just thought of how dramatic it'd be if Oz were to die this arc. No. No no no. Lalalalalala! Can't hear you, can't hear you! But now I'm thinking of the Robot Chicken with Joss Whedon where he says, "I think I've let you live long enough. Die werewolf!" |
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Post by Essentially Yours on Jul 2, 2009 18:43:50 GMT -5
While re-reading the issue for about the sixth time just now, I noticed the background of the panel where Buffy and Giles are hugging. Faith is waving hello to Willow and Kennedy. Willow gives her a pleasant smile, but Kennedy is giving her a really nasty look. Wonder what that's all about? I noticed that too, Andrew! When I see Kennedy around/nearish Willow, she's always so over-protective acting. Her arms are crossed when Willow is hugging Giles too. Maybe that's just her natural stance? She does have that mad face going on with Faith though. Her persona in that panel reminds me of Buttercup, the green Powerpuff girl. I loved Kennedy's characters when she was talking with Satsu, but I find her kind of annoying when she's with Willow. Maybe I just have supressed Tara rage, lol. If I'm ever going to like Kennedy more, I'd like to see her less scowling, less over-protective, and more open to forming relationships with the other core members. One of the reasons that I liked Tara so much was because her character eventually formed a sweet mother-like relationship to Dawnie. I don't see Kennedy responding well to Willow hanging around Oz in the next comic either. |
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Post by hitnrun017 on Jul 2, 2009 18:44:17 GMT -5
I just thought of how dramatic it'd be if Oz were to die this arc. No. No no no. Lalalalalala! Can't hear you, can't hear you! But now I'm thinking of the Robot Chicken with Joss Whedon where he says, "I think I've let you live long enough. Die werewolf!" Hehehe. I stand by it. Oz is going to die in issue 30.  Everything is going to become nice and peaceful, and when everything seems like it's going to be fine... Twilight finds them and all hell breaks lose, resulting in the death of Oz and Willow going dark again. ;D And I agree Essentially Yours, I wouldn't mind pages of the characters just talking either, have more stuff like the Buffy and Giles scene. I'm very happy this arc sounds like it's going to be more character driven. Hopefully we'll get a lot more moments like that. |
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Post by wenxina on Jul 2, 2009 19:36:42 GMT -5
I wouldn't mind pages and pages of just the entire Scoobie gang sitting around talking. I suppose that might be boring, but I really miss all of the hanging out that they did together in the episodes. Except that a lot of their "hanging out" happened out on patrols too, which usually featured a fair amount of action. I'm open to talking bits; i.e. the Buffy/Giles talk was nice, and Jeanty managed to incorporate a fair number of the characters' mannerisms to keep things interesting. However, a lot of the deeper conversations between the characters didn't happen in a room where they confronted each other to talk. Many of the deeper exchanges happen in the midst of chaos. For example, Angelus vs. Buffy, Faith vs. Buffy, Buffy and Giles after temporarily subduing Dark Willow. All I'm saying is that the criticism that the comics just seem too action-oriented is flawed as the formula in S8 is essentially the same as before. The only difference is that one can read and process a lot faster than an actor can act a scene effectively. |
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Post by Emmie on Jul 2, 2009 19:41:28 GMT -5
All I'm saying is that the criticism that the comics just seem too action-oriented is flawed as the formula in S8 is essentially the same as before. The only difference is that one can read and process a lot faster than an actor can act a scene effectively. Word. Which is why when I'm reading, I really try to recreate the voices and mannerisms in my head. Read it more slowly and you'll enjoy it better - that's my motto. And besides, a comic that just has people sitting around talking or going out shopping - if that's all that happened, I'd finish it and think it an incredible waste of pages. |
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Post by Essentially Yours on Jul 2, 2009 21:49:23 GMT -5
All I'm saying is that the criticism that the comics just seem too action-oriented is flawed as the formula in S8 is essentially the same as before. The only difference is that one can read and process a lot faster than an actor can act a scene effectively. Word. Which is why when I'm reading, I really try to recreate the voices and mannerisms in my head. Read it more slowly and you'll enjoy it better - that's my motto. And besides, a comic that just has people sitting around talking or going out shopping - if that's all that happened, I'd finish it and think it an incredible waste of pages. That's definitely not what I was referring. I just simply meant that I miss a huge chunk of the dialogue/conversations that was produced in an hour-long episode. Comics are a completely different medium than television; I understand that. I was just saying that the parts of the comics that I like the most are the panels where the gang is talking to each other. It brings me back to the show. I wasn't trying to belittle the comics in any way. |
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Post by wenxina on Jul 2, 2009 21:54:25 GMT -5
Sorry, the bit about the criticism wasn't directed at you, but fans who claim so in general.
But I stand by my opinion that much of the talking was never done standing/sitting still.
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Post by Essentially Yours on Jul 2, 2009 21:58:29 GMT -5
That's alright. I agree with you, Wenxina. When I said "hanging out", that could mean anything from going to the Bronze or everyone together on a nightly patrol. I meant anywhere that everyone is together, but the atmosphere is laid-back enough for conversational topics.
I really enjoyed this issue though. It's nice to have everyone working together again.
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Post by wenxina on Jul 2, 2009 22:05:57 GMT -5
I really enjoyed this issue though. It's nice to have everyone working together again. According to Jeanty, there'll be more togetherness in the next issue. If you have a question you'd like to ask him, click here and post a question (or three).  |
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Post by Mathieu on Jul 2, 2009 22:12:18 GMT -5
I agree that most of the best conversations we got on the show were during the most tragic battles/fights/epic moments the characters went through.
I also agree that I too could read a whole issue of the gang just sitting and talking and I would enjoy every bit of it.
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Post by fayth on Jul 3, 2009 0:29:28 GMT -5
I don't know. I kind of feel the opposite of Oz dying. I kind of feel like Oz is going to be there to save everyone. Lol. In the sense that he will help change the Fray's Willow of the future and help stop the use of Magicks through his zen spiritual control. I can't wait to see Willow's and Oz's reactions to each other. How long has it been? Four years? There's a lot of stuff for them to catch up on. I hope there is enough room in the comic to show a good amount of Willow Oziness. Actually, I'm just excited that everyone is back together again. I wouldn't mind pages and pages of just the entire Scoobie gang sitting around talking. I suppose that might be boring, but I really miss all of the hanging out that they did together in the episodes. I feel the same way! COMPLETELY! Oz and Willow goodness must be had and worthy. No whimpy little two panel angry kennedy face action. |
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Post by loveisabird on Jul 3, 2009 2:40:24 GMT -5
I loved the issue. Definately the best in a big long while. Im so happy Buffy and Giles have reconciled and all it took was a hug (well and slayers to be made to run and hide etc lol). Im liking the Willow magic problem but at the same time I thought it was dead and buried. I just wish theyd make Willow aware of what happened in the future. Yes it would make her really wary but at least she would know to make her limits. I think cold turkeying would once again be a BAD idea. Although I loved magicless Willow s1 - s2 and in S6 I think that she isnt Willow without her witchy powers. I thought the ending was very OZ aswell. Im not too keen on his character as I dont like how he is made out to be so cool when i think he isnt, but each to their own. I would like to see some Oz/Kennedy interaction but with less Kennedy jealousness because it makes me hate her even more. Id like to see more Dawn in the next issue because I wanna see her shine and be able to prove her worth as her human self. And Id like to see more Faith and Buffy interaction to see how theyre gettin on after NFFY. And more Xander! I want him to shine aswell. And more Giles please |
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Post by trunkstheslayer on Jul 3, 2009 14:29:05 GMT -5
No. No no no. Lalalalalala! Can't hear you, can't hear you! But now I'm thinking of the Robot Chicken with Joss Whedon where he says, "I think I've let you live long enough. Die werewolf!" Hehehe. I stand by it. Oz is going to die in issue 30. Everything is going to become nice and peaceful, and when everything seems like it's going to be fine... Twilight finds them and all hell breaks lose, resulting in the death of Oz and Willow going dark again. ;D And I agree Essentially Yours, I wouldn't mind pages of the characters just talking either, have more stuff like the Buffy and Giles scene. I'm very happy this arc sounds like it's going to be more character driven. Hopefully we'll get a lot more moments like that. Count me in with the "Oz is gonna bite it" camp. Of course the counter is 1)we expect it, 2)I think Joss might be wise enough to not do yet another 'death to push a character over the edge' plot point, and 3)it'd be kinda lame to bring Oz back just to off him, wouldn't it? That said, when I asked in the Scott Allie thread if Oz would stick around he said "no spoilers. sorry". That sounds innocent enough, yet my first thought was "Well crap, Oz is dead." |
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Post by AndrewCrossett on Jul 3, 2009 14:34:02 GMT -5
Count me in with the "Oz is gonna bite it" camp. Of course the counter is 1)we expect it, 2)I think Joss might be wise enough to not do yet another 'death to push a character over the edge' plot point, and 3)it'd be kinda lame to bring Oz back just to off him, wouldn't it? That said, when I asked in the Scott Allie thread if Oz would stick around he said "no spoilers. sorry". That sounds innocent enough, yet my first thought was "Well crap, Oz is dead." Ah, but Scott also said, when asked if any characters will die: "Characters will die. I will say that there are characters that if I just said their first names, you'd know exactly who they are. That doesn't narrow it down much, I know." But Oz is possibly the only character in the story that most people wouldn't immediately recognize by his first name (Daniel). So Oz is safe. But everyone else is going to die. |
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Post by Wyndam on Jul 3, 2009 15:51:23 GMT -5
So Oz is safe. But everyone else is going to die. Hehe that will be interesting. Buffy the Vampire Season 9, starring Oz and Oz only!  |
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Post by AndrewCrossett on Jul 3, 2009 16:03:18 GMT -5
Hehe that will be interesting. Buffy the Vampire Season 9, starring Oz and Oz only! Actually... his survival will mean he's the only one who won't be appearing in season 9.  |
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Post by Paul on Jul 3, 2009 17:34:13 GMT -5
I read this issue yesterday and was slightly confused by it. Not sure what to think. I talked it over with my friend who likes Buffy and he had some interesting things to say. Basically, there was a lot of good stuff in this issue but it was totally rushed. My friend described this as "damage control", they had to make up for "P&P"'s mistakes, but didn't have enough pages. He thinks that everything we saw in #26 should have been spread out since "Harmonic Divergence"... the characters reacting to the new world order and travelling to Scotland to get to Buffy. That way, "P&P" would have been better and this issue wouldn't have felt like a glorified "Previously on...".
That said, there was lots to enjoy. It was fun finally having all the characters in one place, and the Buffy/Giles scene was easily the highlight of the issue. I liked how frankly they spoke about Willow, and Buffy finally opening up about what happened in the future was very welcome. I liked seeing Warren again, but sadly his scene made no sense and only complicated an already-complicated retcon. Scott Allie has promised they're going to fix the continuity, are they just going to dig themselves a deeper grave? The "brain fry" scene was shocking, as was Willow's return to flaying. Is this really her turning dark again, or is it just a mislead? I wonder how Oz will react to it all and how Willow will react to his reaction. She didn't listen to Tara, after all.
I dunno, I guess I liked this issue but "P&P" has shaken my faith in the series and it'll be a while before they earn it back again. I hope that we're finally caught up, and next issue won't feel like such a montage.
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Post by wenxina on Jul 3, 2009 20:44:07 GMT -5
I read this issue yesterday and was slightly confused by it. Not sure what to think. I talked it over with my friend who likes Buffy and he had some interesting things to say. Basically, there was a lot of good stuff in this issue but it was totally rushed. My friend described this as "damage control", they had to make up for "P&P"'s mistakes, but didn't have enough pages. He thinks that everything we saw in #26 should have been spread out since "Harmonic Divergence"... the characters reacting to the new world order and travelling to Scotland to get to Buffy. That way, "P&P" would have been better and this issue wouldn't have felt like a glorified "Previously on...". Gotta disagree with your friend's assessment that this was "damage control". For one, this was written way before most of the flak for the "Predators and Prey" arc poured in. Jeanty is already up to #29 with the pencils right now, just to put the timeframe into perspective. "P&P" is irrefutably the weakest arc thus far, but I don't think #26 tried to compensate for lost time at all. What I really liked about it was the pacing. It was really tight, with each panel and page counting. There was no fat at all, and as the exposition piece of an arc, it succeeds in setting up the events to come. I agree that having the different characters reacting to the new status quo would probably have been a better approach for the entire "P&P" arc. In fact, that was my initial impression of what that arc was supposed to be, instead of 5 loosely connected stories. But I guess what you felt was rushed, I thought was urgent. The events of "P&P" have finally culminated in an international smackdown on Slayers everywhere. Twilight's orchestrating the entire thing, which is why it makes sense that it's hit after hit, instead of a more leisurely plan of attack. Remember that Japan was already conquering swaths of South-East Asia when they attacked Pearl Harbor. The best way to cripple your enemy is to hit them at their weakest points, all at once. |
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