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Post by wenxina on Sept 2, 2009 21:38:49 GMT -5
lWhat was the "secret" Andrew mentioned that he had at the end? The secret was that Andrew had "secretly" been sniffing out a spy. He was doing it under the guise of a documentary.
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Post by wytchcroft on Sept 2, 2009 21:46:01 GMT -5
Wow --- Dawn and Xander. I don't know what to say except that I'm totally repulsed by this pairing. I don't understand the point of bringing in Renee just to kill her off so that Xander can be with Dawn. For that matter, why was Anya killed off and never mentioned? I think I'm completely done with these "Season 8" comics. I'm sorry to be a Debbie Downer, but the original BtVS comic-run had better stories than this. Overall, I'm just totally displeased with season eight. I loved it so much until TOYL. Since then, it's all gone downhill, IMO. I'm going to go back to reading my original comic TPBs. Remember when there was a time where characters that were vital to the series actually got menioned (Anya, Tara, etc.)? If you're saying there's no point to Renee since she just got killed off, then there was no point to Xander/Anya. Which is completely wrong. Renee was used as a character development for Xander and gave his character something to do in the first quarter of the season. Anya was mentioned by Andrew in Wolves at the Gate so it's not like she goes without mention. That's actually the reason Xander lived with Dracula for awhile between seasons 7 and 8. To grieve for Anya. Tara's also mentioned a few times in the season.. most prominently in "Anywhere But Here". They're mentioned in this season as much as, for example, Joyce was mentioned in the last couple seasons. Tara was only mentioned in around 4 or 5 episode of Season 7 and that was less than a year after her death. while i disagree with Smashed in their reaction to to the Xander/Dawn pairing - and i'll be very sorry if they stop reading since this was (IMO) a brilliant issue... you are overstating your case to bring in comics prior to S8 and in linking Xander/Anya to Xander/Renee. Anya (apart from her own internal life) allowed Xander to grow as a character and to experience fresh situations, feelings, problems, responses etc throughout the whole time she was on BTVS/ Renee was almost a one-shot cameo and Xander has shown zero character development since her death (which has been reflected on by him and the others exactly when?) and precious little during her life (in relation to her as a character*). Renee was a red shirt - and a punchline - and a mistake. Personally i don't have many issues against S8 but the pointlessness and ill treatment of Renee is my bug-bear. And that's my last whining, on the subject I promise. *Dawn. Buffy (and perhaps Willow too) are the mirrors for Xander's character growth and it's not a question of which, if any, of them he may be linked to romantically but that does allow for some personal drama etc...
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Post by AndrewCrossett on Sept 2, 2009 21:51:20 GMT -5
In the last scene, Andrew had called everyone together Poirot-style, apparently to reveal the identity of the spy. Right? But what evidence could he possibly have had to say the cat was the spy? Was he going to accuse the cat, or was he going to accuse someone else? (Possibly falsely?)
Also, in the last issue, when Twilight thought he'd found the location of the Slayers, he promptly teleported in with a big regiment of soldiers to blow the place up. There was no thought of sending Amy in as a spy beforehand. So what changed this time?
So HOW did Amy locate the Slayers? WHY did she hide among them in cat-form instead of just telling Twilight and getting her props? HOW did her cover get blown, and WHY did she bail out when she did, thereby alerting the Slayers to the fact they were about to be attacked and giving them a chance to assume battle stations?
I may have been a little too exuberant with my post. I don't know for certain that Willow=Amy. I do know that Willow is acting strangely. And so is Andrew, for that matter.
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Post by Rebecca on Sept 2, 2009 22:40:53 GMT -5
Willow is definitely acting strangely. She goes from hot to warm-and-cuddly in a matter of seconds. Is this the calm before the storm for Willow?
While I don't know all the circumstances regarding why Amy was a cat and why she teleported out exactly then, or the answers to the other questions you posed AC3PO, I know we may or may not get any good answers in the next two issues ;D There are some draw backs to this medium.
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Post by Wyndam on Sept 2, 2009 22:45:02 GMT -5
I didn't think Willow's shift in attitude was that strange at all. Playing and being around a toddler would make anyone happy, plus she and Oz made some great headway (him trusting her with his kid and all that, very big moment, considering her state of mind during their conversation).
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Post by wenxina on Sept 2, 2009 22:56:20 GMT -5
Emmie and I finally posted our entry on the SA blog. CHECK IT OUT!
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Post by AndrewCrossett on Sept 2, 2009 23:16:28 GMT -5
I didn't think Willow's shift in attitude was that strange at all. Playing and being around a toddler would make anyone happy, plus she and Oz made some great headway (him trusting her with his kid and all that, very big moment, considering her state of mind during their conversation). I can see why she'd find it touching that Oz trusted her with his baby. But she was in a very, very bad emotional spot right then... to the point of going dark-eyed for a moment. I haven't seen her show such hostility to one of her friends since the end of season 6. But then Oz hands her a baby, and suddenly she's Happy Fun Willow again, with oodles of hope for the future. Did the true meaning of Christmas come through? Did Will find the strength of ten Willows, plus two? Sudden, erratic mood swings in a person with that much power? Worrisome.
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Post by Rebecca on Sept 3, 2009 1:28:24 GMT -5
Sudden, erratic mood swings in a person with that much power? Worrisome. I thought the same thing. I felt like the writing was trying to make a point that Willow has an anger problem. The slayerettes were whining about the whole situation, but Willow was--more than grouchy--contemptuous? Easily, and visibly angered. I think I have a better grip why she's been upset, but the fix this time seemed too quick. I seriously doubt it will last
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Post by Sky on Sept 3, 2009 1:30:53 GMT -5
Dander huh? Um, like wow. I'm kinda grossed out due in part to the age difference. I was even grossed out by the Angel/Buffy age difference even if he was supposed to look eternally 20 something. In terms of them repressing themselves I don't think it will fully work. They are what they are, not doing something you're capable of wont change the fact that you can or could do it. They all had the Potential to do it and now they are fully it. I have to agree with Kennedy "It's b.s."
I've got a theory. Hear me it out it's just a theory and no it isn't bunnies. Remember back in "Anywhere but here" when Robin tells B to make sure she protects the prince. What if Dawn ends up preggers? Even if it's just her and Xander looking for temporary comfort in a colder world. How could you see that working with the rest of season 8?
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Post by Rebecca on Sept 3, 2009 1:49:28 GMT -5
I've got a theory. Hear me it out it's just a theory and no it isn't bunnies. Remember back in "Anywhere but here" when Robin tells B to make sure she protects the prince. What if Dawn ends up preggers? Oh. My. God. Pleasepleaseplease--I reeeeally hope that doesn't happen. Like a lot. But you totally could be right. Or it could be Oz's kid. Or Buffy's future son. Or Robin. Who knows?
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Post by Darth Rosie on Sept 3, 2009 2:32:41 GMT -5
The age difference between Xander and Dawn really isn't all that huge: 4-5 years or so? Which brings me to the question - how old are they all now?
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Post by Wyndam on Sept 3, 2009 3:23:17 GMT -5
The age difference between Xander and Dawn really isn't all that huge: 4-5 years or so? Which brings me to the question - how old are they all now? I think Buffy/Xander/Willow are about 24, which would make Dawn 19-20. I agree, the age difference really isn't an issue at this point. Age only really makes a difference when people are really young (Xander and Dawn dating when he is 20 and she is 15 would definitely be weird), but now that both are past 20 (or almost past 20), who cares about the age difference.
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Post by CowboyGuy on Sept 3, 2009 3:30:44 GMT -5
Dawn is 16 or 17 at most in Season 7, I just re-watched "Him" where they state that Cassie is seventeen.
Reference Season 5's Real Me, DAWN: (OS) Babysitter? I'm fourteen! I'm old enough to *be* a babysitter!
So S5: 14 S6: 15 S7: 16
Dawn entered Sunnydale High as a sophomore (they say Dawn would be there only three years; meaning soph, junior, senior) which should make her only 16 at the beginning of Season 7...
So Season 7: Dawn is only 16, or 17 at most. Year and a half later would put her at 18 - maybe. Which is barely legal.
Funny side note, in Helpless:
Willow: "Have you Googled her yet?" (referring to Cassie)
Xander: "Willow she's 17!"
Hmm.
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Post by Darth Rosie on Sept 3, 2009 4:08:23 GMT -5
Dawn is 16 or 17 at most in Season 7, I just re-watched "Him" where they state that Cassie is seventeen. So Season 7: Dawn is only 16, or 17 at most. Year and a half later would put her at 18 - maybe. Which is barely legal. Thanks for clarifying! Her age would, of course, depend on how much time has passed. s7 ended in 2004, now we have 2009 ;-)
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Post by Iceeh★ on Sept 3, 2009 4:18:48 GMT -5
ahbahduhguhwhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa? Dander?! -brain breaks- Also... cats are not evil! I have two fluffy little angels that I love oh-so dearly.
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Post by CowboyGuy on Sept 3, 2009 4:25:02 GMT -5
Dawn is 16 or 17 at most in Season 7, I just re-watched "Him" where they state that Cassie is seventeen. So Season 7: Dawn is only 16, or 17 at most. Year and a half later would put her at 18 - maybe. Which is barely legal. Thanks for clarifying! Her age would, of course, depend on how much time has passed. s7 ended in 2004, now we have 2009 ;-) Which is why I simply don't buy that Dark Horse/whoever claims this takes place only a year and a half after S7! There's no way a sophomore from a destroyed high school could have gone to college already. Sorry, but just no. Didn't Xander go away for like seven months to mourn Anya @ Dracula's estate? So in a matter of a year and a half he: mourned the love of his life (self proclaimed), got a new love interest in Renee, she dies, then he jumps Dawn's fresh 18 year old assets? This stinks. Sorry. I don't get why they don't just tell us it's been a few years. At least that way we wouldn't have to wonder if Dawn is even 18 yet.
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Post by AndrewCrossett on Sept 3, 2009 7:33:52 GMT -5
I think Dawn was in her first semester at Berkeley when the Thricewise thing happened. Most people are 18 when they start college. She'd probably be up to 19 by now. Didn't Xander go away for like seven months to mourn Anya @ Dracula's estate? So in a matter of a year and a half he: mourned the love of his life (self proclaimed), got a new love interest in Renee, she dies, then he jumps Dawn's fresh 18 year old assets? He also spent time in Africa recruiting Slayers for Buffy's group. It's interesting that Xander doesn't have the same feelings of paranoia Buffy does when it comes to hurting the people they get intimate with. Buffy agonizes about her romantic history despite the fact that all her lovers are still alive (or still undead)... but all of Xander's past lovers are corpses now. You'd think it would give him pause to invite Dawn to hop that train.
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Post by Rebecca on Sept 3, 2009 10:38:34 GMT -5
If Xand was 16 in Season 1, and Dawn was 14 in Season 5, doesn't that put 7 years between them? Or is my math kerflunky?
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Post by BlueJay on Sept 3, 2009 11:02:55 GMT -5
Guys, this is how it works...
Season 5 (2000/01) - Dawn: 14/15 | Xander: 19/20 Season 6 (2001/02) - Dawn: 15/16 | Xander: 20/21 Season 7 (2002/03) - Dawn: 16/17 | Xander: 21/22
It's unclear where Season 8 takes place, but it's "officially" set a year and a half after the show, so Dawn must be 18/19 and Xander must be 23/24.
HOWEVER, the book keeps making references to 2008 and up, so I like to the believe the events of each issue is somewhat concurrent with the date it's released on, making Dawn 23/24 and Xander 28/29.
But, like Scott Allie has said, the Buffyverse now takes place in a floating timeline, making years and dates irrelevant.
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Post by watcher on Sept 3, 2009 11:09:29 GMT -5
Regardless of their ages... it's still gross
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