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Post by Rebecca on Sept 3, 2009 11:15:03 GMT -5
Guys, this is how it works... Season 5 (2000/01) - Dawn: 14/15 | Xander: 19/20 Season 6 (2001/02) - Dawn: 15/16 | Xander: 20/21 Season 7 (2002/03) - Dawn: 16/17 | Xander: 21/22 It's unclear where Season 8 takes place, but it's "officially" set a year and a half after the show, so Dawn must be 18/19 and Xander must be 23/24. HOWEVER, the book keeps making references to 2008 and up, so I like to the believe the events of each issue is somewhat concurrent with the date it's released on, making Dawn 23/24 and Xander 28/29. But, like Scott Allie has said, the Buffyverse now takes place in a floating timeline, making years and dates irrelevant. Erm, I think if Xand was 16/17 in the first season, then he was 20/21 in the fifth season, and 24/25 now. I'm not sure which book you are referring to or if it is canon, so I can't base anything on those numbers. Even a 19-year-old and a 25-year-old feels all creepy. I am totally with Buffy on this one. Can't wait for a blow out!
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Post by patxshand on Sept 3, 2009 11:26:14 GMT -5
By "the book," he means Season Eight.
I don't think it's creepy at all. It's so organic.
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Post by jellymoff on Sept 3, 2009 11:29:57 GMT -5
I didn't think Willow's shift in attitude was that strange at all. Playing and being around a toddler would make anyone happy, plus she and Oz made some great headway (him trusting her with his kid and all that, very big moment, considering her state of mind during their conversation). I can see why she'd find it touching that Oz trusted her with his baby. But she was in a very, very bad emotional spot right then... to the point of going dark-eyed for a moment. I haven't seen her show such hostility to one of her friends since the end of season 6. But then Oz hands her a baby, and suddenly she's Happy Fun Willow again, with oodles of hope for the future. Did the true meaning of Christmas come through? Did Will find the strength of ten Willows, plus two? Sudden, erratic mood swings in a person with that much power? Worrisome. Um, that's true meaning of Hanukkah. Not everyone worships Santa ;D
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Post by darkeanarchy on Sept 3, 2009 11:33:56 GMT -5
So Season 7: Dawn is only 16, or 17 at most. Year and a half later would put her at 18 - maybe. Which is barely legal. Although in the UK you are legal at 16, which may well be why I'm having difficulty understanding the big deal here. Even in the US Dawn is now clearly of legal age and so there really shouldn't be any problem here. I posted this over in the other thread concerning the Xander/Dawn situation so I'll just quote rather than retype... Just seems a little weird to me to see all these comments calling the relationship "gross" when some of the best and most enjoyable relationships I've had have been with girls a fair bit younger than me. Age really is just a number. Maturity is really the issue and that has little to do with age.
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Post by tigerfan on Sept 3, 2009 11:37:16 GMT -5
I don't its the age that icks me out, its the fact he use to baby sit her and took care of her and has known her since she was like 10. To me they always had more of a big brother, almost fatherly relationship.
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Post by darkeanarchy on Sept 3, 2009 11:41:51 GMT -5
I don't its the age that icks me out, its the fact he use to baby sit her and took care of her and has known her since she was like 10. To me they always had more of a big brother, almost fatherly relationship. But people and relationships change. One of my best friends had an annoying younger sister that used to annoy the hell out of me when we were kids. No attraction to her at all. Nowadays we are not only great friends but I'll guarantee you I would ask her out in a second if she wasn't living down in London now... and if I wasn't in a relationship already... ;D Things change and when they do it's usually because they were supposed to.
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Post by BlueJay on Sept 3, 2009 11:56:34 GMT -5
Guys, this is how it works... Season 5 (2000/01) - Dawn: 14/15 | Xander: 19/20 Season 6 (2001/02) - Dawn: 15/16 | Xander: 20/21 Season 7 (2002/03) - Dawn: 16/17 | Xander: 21/22 It's unclear where Season 8 takes place, but it's "officially" set a year and a half after the show, so Dawn must be 18/19 and Xander must be 23/24. HOWEVER, the book keeps making references to 2008 and up, so I like to the believe the events of each issue is somewhat concurrent with the date it's released on, making Dawn 23/24 and Xander 28/29. But, like Scott Allie has said, the Buffyverse now takes place in a floating timeline, making years and dates irrelevant. Erm, I think if Xand was 16/17 in the first season, then he was 20/21 in the fifth season, and 24/25 now. I'm not sure which book you are referring to or if it is canon, so I can't base anything on those numbers. Even a 19-year-old and a 25-year-old feels all creepy. I am totally with Buffy on this one. Can't wait for a blow out! Season 1 (late 1997) - Xander: 16 Season 2 (1997/98) - Xander: 16/17 Season 3 (1998/99) - Xander: 17/18 Season 4 (1999/00) - Xander: 18/19 Season 5 (2000/01) - Xander: 19/20 Nah, he was 19/20 Season Five, but that doesn't really matter... And by "book", I mean the Season 8 comic book.
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Post by sosa lola on Sept 3, 2009 13:30:36 GMT -5
Guys, this is how it works... Season 5 (2000/01) - Dawn: 14/15 | Xander: 19/20 Season 6 (2001/02) - Dawn: 15/16 | Xander: 20/21 Season 7 (2002/03) - Dawn: 16/17 | Xander: 21/22 It's unclear where Season 8 takes place, but it's "officially" set a year and a half after the show, so Dawn must be 18/19 and Xander must be 23/24. HOWEVER, the book keeps making references to 2008 and up, so I like to the believe the events of each issue is somewhat concurrent with the date it's released on, making Dawn 23/24 and Xander 28/29. But, like Scott Allie has said, the Buffyverse now takes place in a floating timeline, making years and dates irrelevant. Erm, I think if Xand was 16/17 in the first season, then he was 20/21 in the fifth season, and 24/25 now. I'm not sure which book you are referring to or if it is canon, so I can't base anything on those numbers. Even a 19-year-old and a 25-year-old feels all creepy. I am totally with Buffy on this one. Can't wait for a blow out! Xander was still 16 in S2. So, in S1 he was 15/16
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Post by Joe on Sept 3, 2009 14:26:17 GMT -5
S1 only took place in the second half of the school year. Buffy was the new girl. At this point in time, Xander was already 16 and stayed 16 until around the beginning of season 2.
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Post by Wyndam on Sept 3, 2009 15:28:19 GMT -5
I think Dawn is definitely well past 18 at this point. Even if Season 8 started around a year and a half after Season 7, many months have passed between Issue 1 to Issue 28, so she's at least 19 by now.
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Post by watcher on Sept 3, 2009 15:30:49 GMT -5
What if when Warren was lobotomizing Willow back in issue 4 he did something to her or implanted something in her? Sure it's probably a stretch but it might explain some things.
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Post by Sky on Sept 3, 2009 15:31:53 GMT -5
I know Buffy isn't really going to take it to well. What about when she tells Willow? With Willow pretty much being Dawn's mother figure and Dawn being her kinda surrogate daughter I'd think she'd take the news even worse. Especially considering the moodiness she's displaying as of late.
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Post by AndrewCrossett on Sept 3, 2009 16:30:16 GMT -5
Well, Scott just confirmed that the cat really was Amy. I was wrong, as always.
If Twilight has a lick of sense (and he doesn't), he'll kill Amy for doing her vanishing act when she did and tipping the Slayers off to the fact that they're going to be attacked. So long, Mr. Element of Surprise. And there was no reason at all for her to do so.
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Post by Wyndam on Sept 3, 2009 17:24:59 GMT -5
Andrew was about to make her though. While we have no idea how Andrew came to that conclusion, Amy had no choice but to run.
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Post by hitnrun017 on Sept 3, 2009 17:30:47 GMT -5
Finally got this.
As far as character moments go, this issue is one of the best. But story-wise, unless many things are explained next issue, it's pretty weak. A lot of things just don't make sense or add up, pretty much everything AndrewCrossett posted earlier. It'll be hard to overlook those if they aren't explained.
But I loved, loved, loved all the character moments, and writing. Basically everyone shined this issue. You just have to love Andrew. It was so great to see Buffy and Faith connect and think about how nice it was, only to read the beginning of the next page and have Andrew say exactly what we were thinking. The stand out parts were the scenes between Buffy/Xander, Xander/Dawn, Willow/Oz and Buffy/Willow. They were true to the characters and show, brilliant writing.
Buffy telling Willow that she killed her didn't go how I expected it to, but I like that it didn't and that Willow assured Buffy that it wouldn't, even though it probably means she will go dark at some point. And aw Oz. Very happy we got something between those two.
Xander and Dawn together? I can deal. It's not like I shouldn't be surprised.
Jeanty knocked it out of the park this issue too. Amazing likenesses and environments throughout the entire issue. There were so many cool, little things like the yak snorting a bird off its head, Buffy pissing the yak off, CatAmy scratching the dog... makes the comic feel alive.
This would be a near perfect issue if not for some sketchy story details, but hopefully those will be filled in.
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Post by AndrewCrossett on Sept 3, 2009 17:34:43 GMT -5
Andrew was about to make her though. While we have no idea how Andrew came to that conclusion, Amy had no choice but to run. If so, how would she have known that? Andrew didn't give any hint that he suspected her.
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Post by Wyndam on Sept 3, 2009 17:36:36 GMT -5
The "But I was wrong." from Andrew pretty much says he had it all figured out.
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Post by AndrewCrossett on Sept 3, 2009 17:40:10 GMT -5
The "But I was wrong." from Andrew pretty much says he had it all figured out. I don't see how. All it says is that he no longer suspected Willow. It didn't imply that he knew that cat sitting on Leah's lap was really Amy in disguise. There should have been some hint, at least, as to why Andrew suspected the cat. If it was present at every conversation I could see why he might suspect, but it was only there for Faith/Buffy, and Willow/Oz (and the dog was also there at that one.)
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Post by Wyndam on Sept 3, 2009 17:42:15 GMT -5
He could have simply asked Bay or Oz or someone else living there about the cat, found out no one had seen it before, and put two and two together. We know he was suspicious of the puppy, so it's natural he would ask about the cat as well.
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Post by AndrewCrossett on Sept 3, 2009 17:48:15 GMT -5
The most plausible explanation would probably be that Amy was reading Andrew's mind. Willow can do that (although the writers always ignore that fact), and Amy probably can too.
Still... no explanation was given either for how Andrew knew the cat was Amy, or for why Amy knew he knew. That's too much stuff to leave out.
(And if Andrew knew the cat was Amy, he should have gone in private to Buffy and Willow and tried to arrange to have her captured or sabotaged somehow. I mean, what was he planning to do? Whirl around dramatically, point at the cat and yell "J'accuse"?... Oh, wait, This is Andrew. Of course he was.)
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