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Post by AndrewCrossett on Sept 8, 2009 15:53:58 GMT -5
Two question points regarding Willow:
1. During her conversation with Oz, she said she can't have babies because of "what I have to do." That made it sound like she had something specific in mind. Does she know something about her future (perhaps the same thing Buffy knows)?
2. What happened in that panel where Andrew loses track of her? They wouldn't have wasted a panel if there wasn't some kind of significance to it.
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Post by faithswatcher on Sept 8, 2009 17:33:56 GMT -5
She should let Dander have a chance. All she seems to do is wreck her relationships one way or the other. Yeah and all of Xanders GF's die. At least if Buffy/Xander happened, Xander would only leave town. If i was in Buffy's position, I'd be scared for Dawn's safety. Sister of The Slayer, GF of the man leading the Slayer army, she'd be targetted....alot. I wont be surprised if she is VERY against this.
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Post by Rebecca on Sept 9, 2009 0:06:41 GMT -5
I wouldn't be happy if Buffy got with Xander. I think it's waaaaaay too late. She should let Dander have a chance. All she seems to do is wreck her relationships one way or the other. Point in fact, everyone's past relationships are failures. What makes you think anyone's current [or future] relationships will be any different than their empirically-sound failure of a romantic history? Basing one's romantic future on one's past is an awfully cynical POV, IMO. Love an hope go hand in hand.
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Post by Darth Rosie on Sept 9, 2009 1:04:23 GMT -5
Love an hope go hand in hand. Well said! Karma :-)
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Post by ilovewillow on Sept 9, 2009 2:54:41 GMT -5
She should let Dander have a chance. All she seems to do is wreck her relationships one way or the other. Yeah and all of Xanders GF's die. At least if Buffy/Xander happened, Xander would only leave town. If i was in Buffy's position, I'd be scared for Dawn's safety. Sister of The Slayer, GF of the man leading the Slayer army, she'd be targetted....alot. I wont be surprised if she is VERY against this. I doubt Buffy would be against their relationship because she's worried about Dawn's safety. If anything it'd be because she wants him herself. (Judging from her encounters with him in #28) I doubt Dawn would be in any more danger if she was or wasn't Xander's GF. Being the slayer's sister I think puts her in more danger.
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Post by otakumike on Sept 9, 2009 3:13:41 GMT -5
Funny how lots of people find the Dawn/Xander thingy to be icky. Like they all forgot Buffy had underage sex with a 200 year old vampire. All we saw was a kiss between D and X...
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Post by hitnrun017 on Sept 9, 2009 5:19:42 GMT -5
Funny how lots of people find the Dawn/Xander thingy to be icky. Like they all forgot Buffy had underage sex with a 200 year old vampire. All we saw was a kiss between D and X... And even if you take away the years of being a vampire, we found out in The Prodigal that Angel got turned when he was 26. So he was making out with some high school chick that he had ten human years on, whereas Xander only has five.
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Post by Hallow Thorn on Sept 9, 2009 5:58:34 GMT -5
Ok, so they kissed this issue did they? (I really want Dawn to leave and turn back into a key this season lol. ) I also like the look of Bayarmaa (Dichen Lachman). If more big storylines unfold in the coming issues I will have to give in and buy them and not hold out or the TPB.
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Post by faithswatcher on Sept 9, 2009 7:05:09 GMT -5
I asked in the issue 5 thread, which was stupid of me, so im going to repeat here. Have we seen the cat before this issue? or has it only been in this issue?
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Post by buffyfan21 on Sept 9, 2009 12:01:03 GMT -5
Finally read the issue last night, so now I can weigh in with my thoughts. First of all, love how this issue works as a kind of sequel to Storyteller. Our Andrew telling stories/videotaping again. Guess he never really learned his lesson did he? (but that's ok, I love him anyway). And is it just me, or does it seem like all the slayers are being used as slaves on the Tibetan monastery? They are being forced to do manual, hard labor and they hate it. Sure, they all have supernatural strength, but still, can't be a picnic. Although, it is nice to see Kennedy so pissy and bad moody over all the hard work. Willow is even doing her share. Meanwhile, I don't see Bay lifting a finger. Yep, it seems that this loss of power, hard physical labor thing has tensions running high. And now for the big issue - Dawn and Xander kissage. Yeah, I pretty much expected this to happen, and that Buffy would probably be the one to discover it. What I don't get is this, prior to the Xander/Dawn smoochage, Buffy and Xander were together, it seemed like they were a bit flirty even, and then the next thing ya know, Xander is macking on Dawn?! I just don't get it. One thing is for sure though, this can't end well. Buffy definitely seems angry in the last panel, not even able to make eye contact with Xander or Dawn. Can't wait to see how this new development plays out next issue. I wonder if there is going to be a big confrontation? Buffy sure has perfect timing, discovering her feelings for Xander when he is CLEARLY interested in Dawn. I would hate to see the two sisters at odds with each other. Is this going to be like the RJ thing all over again? Boy I hope not! Other things I loved about this issue: Buffy's "The Count" shirt. Giles' Sex Pistols shirt (although, this seems more like Spike's style). The baby (So adorable. He's a great addition to the scooby gang and Will is so sweet with him) Also great to see that Jeanty's art is once again up to par this issue. As for the Cat i have a absurb theory TARA TARA she cud have come bck to look after willow in the form of Miss Kittyfantastico Funny you should say that. The last Buffy novel, "Dark Congress" i believe it was, actually had Tara come back in the form of a cat. Some nitpicks: the Andrew "Storyteller" reveal made me groan a little. It was cute, but combined with the "we are as gods" flashback last issue, it feels a little too much like Jane Espenson is living off her past glories. I personally like the flashback scenes myself. They are fun, and for me they provide a solidifying connection between the television series and the comic continuation. I don't think the flashbacks are being overused or used just for the sack of, but used when appropriate. The storyteller flashback seemed to fit very well with this issue, imo. I also like your theory about Dawn gravitating towards Xander due to her lack of a strong father figure. I had never thought of it in these terms before, but it certainly does make sense (time and again we see this happen when that paternal figure is absent from a young woman's life). Dawn obviously needs some stability in her life, and hopefully Xander can provide that for her. I think these two are cute together and they deserve a chance. Can't wait to see how their relationship plays out over the next few issues.
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Post by Max on Sept 9, 2009 13:33:01 GMT -5
Hey!!!! I just got my issue,and i find it great!! I loved the Willow/Oz talk about life,and the picture where Willow got tears in her eyes,it was like if she was going back to the light,especially after we saw that her eyes went black . It was nice to see Buffy and Faith connecting together,as if was to see the Slayer and Willow hugging.I was thinking that the "talk" about Buffy killing Dark Willow in the future,would be a huge deal,but the way it's been showed was really cute and touching. The only thing I didn't was not Xander and Dawn kissing,i think it was about time^^,that was the scenes with Andrew "back-in-the-storyteller" . Anyway,cool issue .
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Post by buffyfan21 on Sept 9, 2009 14:27:30 GMT -5
When Willow is having her conversation with Oz, she says "I can't have a baby! Not with what I am! Not with what I have to do." I took this as: Willow sees herself as dangerous and unpredictable. She doesn't see hers as the kind of life that lends itself to the having of children. This is why she has resentment toward Oz, because as she said, he managed to escape all the chaos, and went on to have a "normal" life, complete with everything Willow herself longs for but fears she will never get to have. Willow clearly has the maternal instinct kicking. Her whole demeanor changes when she is with Oz's baby. Maybe the hope that Willow, like Oz, can have a life and a future, will inspire her to work that much harder to stay on the path of good. Maybe that horrible future we have glimpsed will not come to pass. Because as we know, nothing has been set in stone yet. There is still time to effect and change the future. Perhaps that is why Willow is less than concerned when she hears the news from Buffy? Maybe she already knew about it, or maybe she is simply confident in her ability not to let that horrible future come to pass. I am confused, though. I think Willow is very torn between wanting a "normal" life and being afraid of who she will be stripped of all the magic. I think she has been with magic so long, she has forgotten who she was without it and now fears going back to that person. She feels that the person she once was is not good enough, and she is afraid of being that "ordinary" person once again. It is pretty evident that this withdrawal from magic certainly has Willow crabby, to say the least. The way she reacted when talking to Oz was almost scary (looked as if she was turning all black-eyed baddy). One things for sure though, Oz's little man is without a doubt, a positive and calming influence on Willow. Perhaps he will help provide Willow with the strength and motivation she needs to endure upcoming trials. Because, as is typical of the Buffyverse, I suspect that things will get a lot harder, before they get any easier.
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Post by Tyler Austin "tiewashere" on Sept 9, 2009 14:55:53 GMT -5
I'm just nervous that Dawn or Xander will be killed off now.
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Post by richie on Sept 9, 2009 15:30:28 GMT -5
i really think now that Oz and His wife will die... and Will will get the baby... but i dont want to... i love oz.
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Post by buffyfan21 on Sept 9, 2009 16:06:01 GMT -5
^ Ok, I'm really hoping that neither of these things happen.
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Post by rebeccaplant on Sept 9, 2009 17:42:03 GMT -5
Two question points regarding Willow: 1. During her conversation with Oz, she said she can't have babies because of "what I have to do." That made it sound like she had something specific in mind. Does she know something about her future (perhaps the same thing Buffy knows)? 2. What happened in that panel where Andrew loses track of her? They wouldn't have wasted a panel if there wasn't some kind of significance to it. Great points you bring up, Andrew. I admit to not having the time at the moment to read this entire thread, so forgive me if this has been discussed already: 1. Could "what she has to do" involve killing again? Possibly Buffy? Or Xander? I know there was been talk of the possibility of her going dark again. This is probably just a alluding/re-cap of this idea - in case some fans missed a prior issue. Question: So, is the "same thing Buffy knows" the idea that Buffy will have to kill Willow in the future? I think I might be a tad confused. So, Willow knows that Buffy kills her in the future, right? Huh? Alternate realities/futures often confuse me when regarding the 'verse. 2. Not sure about this one. I'll have to go back and check out that scene. I'm more curious about the feelings Willow still obviously has for Oz. What do people think of this? It seems to go beyond the usual awkward friend/ex syndrome - she seems almost angry at Oz, or jealous of what he has (kid, wife, etc.). This is interesting considering Willow has never really shown a prior interest in starting a traditional "family" unit (as opposed to Buffy, who has alluded to liking the idea of settling down with one man, in one place, with "fat babies"). Discussion Question: Do you guys think Willow is jealous of Oz's "straight" married life? Or is she jealous of his self-control regarding his inner wolf? (As contrasted with her inability to control the magic inside herself, her anger at having to give it up, her insecurities). This isn't necessarily what I think, but I'm just throwing it out there to see what others think.
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Post by rebeccaplant on Sept 9, 2009 17:50:08 GMT -5
I'm just nervous that Dawn or Xander will be killed off now. God, I hope not. Hasn't Joss said he has considered killing off Xander in Season 9? That's what I heard. My thoughts on this whole Dander thing? It just feels forced to me. I guess it's possible for Xander's feelings toward Dawn to have progressed from little sister to potential love interest - but I just think it's a bit tacky for Joss to go this direction right after Xander and Buffy shared that hand-holding "moment" under the tree together. Being a Spuffy by default I'm against Bander - but it all just seems so forced to me. It appears as if Xander is going for the next best thing since he can't have Buffy - her sister. It would feel the same if Spike started macking on Dawn - creepily incestuous. Speaking of my favorite blond vampire - with all that subtext insinuating to SPIKES in the last issue, I was sure that he was going to make an appearance. What gives? And what about the much anticipated unmasking of Twilight? I still think he's either Dracula or The Master...what do you all think he is at this point?
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Post by wenxina on Sept 9, 2009 18:05:51 GMT -5
Do you guys think Willow is jealous of Oz's "straight" married life? Or is she jealous of his self-control regarding his inner wolf? (As contrasted with her inability to control the magic inside herself, her anger at having to give it up, her insecurities). This isn't necessarily what I think, but I'm just throwing it out there to see what others think. Willow has shown an adept ability to control magic; it's the bit about channeling it into the earth that eludes her right now. As for jealousy... I'm sure anyone in her position would envy the peace that Oz found, after getting out of the game. Willow's been in the game for so long that she just can't seem to see an end. Oz telling her that she can stop, and just be Willow Rosenberg instead of witch extraordinaire offered her hope of a future.
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Post by buffyfan21 on Sept 9, 2009 20:06:51 GMT -5
Two I'm more curious about the feelings Willow still obviously has for Oz. What do people think of this? It seems to go beyond the usual awkward friend/ex syndrome - she seems almost angry at Oz, or jealous of what he has (kid, wife, etc.). This is interesting considering Willow has never really shown a prior interest in starting a traditional "family" unit (as opposed to Buffy, who has alluded to liking the idea of settling down with one man, in one place, with "fat babies"). Discussion Question: Do you guys think Willow is jealous of Oz's "straight" married life? Or is she jealous of his self-control regarding his inner wolf? (As contrasted with her inability to control the magic inside herself, her anger at having to give it up, her insecurities). This isn't necessarily what I think, but I'm just throwing it out there to see what others think. I think Willow's desire to have children and a family is just a sign of her getting older. The scoobies aren't teenagers anymore, after all. I think it's only natural that at this point in their lives they would begin to think about these things. As far as whether Willow is jealous of Oz for his married life or for his ability to control his inner wolf, I think there is probably a good bit of both going on here. Willow harbors jealousy and resentment towards Oz for the stability he has found in his life, for the peace he has found within himself. Willow looks at Oz, and in her eyes, he has the perfect life. A life that Willow herself, fears she will never have. Because, if we can look at Willow right now, we can see that she is definitely not at peace, but is instead in a state of inner turmoil. I think Willow feels divided between the person she perceives herself to be, or the person she thinks she has to be, and the person she wants to be. I think, in Willow's mind these two personas cannot possibly exist together, and so she feels very conflicted. She still thinks she has to chose between super Willow or ordinary Willow, and so she can't win.
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Post by AndrewCrossett on Sept 9, 2009 20:53:50 GMT -5
1. Could "what she has to do" involve killing again? Possibly Buffy? Or Xander? I know there was been talk of the possibility of her going dark again. This is probably just a alluding/re-cap of this idea - in case some fans missed a prior issue. Question: So, is the "same thing Buffy knows" the idea that Buffy will have to kill Willow in the future? I think I might be a tad confused. So, Willow knows that Buffy kills her in the future, right? Huh? Alternate realities/futures often confuse me when regarding the 'verse. When she said that, Buffy hadn't yet told her that she killed her in the future. However, Willow's concerns about "what she has to do" and the fact that she shows no surprise or concern at all when Buffy confesses, made me think perhaps Willow already knew about her future history with Buffy. I'm sure I'm wrong, though. I always am. I'm more curious about the feelings Willow still obviously has for Oz. What do people think of this? It seems to go beyond the usual awkward friend/ex syndrome - she seems almost angry at Oz, or jealous of what he has (kid, wife, etc.). This is interesting considering Willow has never really shown a prior interest in starting a traditional "family" unit (as opposed to Buffy, who has alluded to liking the idea of settling down with one man, in one place, with "fat babies"). I'm not sure whether Willow actually wants to have children or not... but she's unhappy because she thinks she couldn't even if she wanted to, because of her magical nature or "destiny" or whatever. The fact that she's still apparently so close to the dark must worry her. She probably has nightmares about being a Catherine Madison type mother rather than a Joyce Summers type. Discussion Question: Do you guys think Willow is jealous of Oz's "straight" married life? Or is she jealous of his self-control regarding his inner wolf? (As contrasted with her inability to control the magic inside herself, her anger at having to give it up, her insecurities). This isn't necessarily what I think, but I'm just throwing it out there to see what others think. I don't think that she has any discomfort with her sexual orientation or her current lifestyle choice. She's just afraid that the path Oz took is no longer open to her, and that's not fair.
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