rogue11
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Kennedy
Aug 21, 2009 0:36:44 GMT -5
Post by rogue11 on Aug 21, 2009 0:36:44 GMT -5
Okay so I didn't really like Kennedy from the get go and I'm sure a lot of other people didn't. But now being a gay person who lost someone they thought were the love of their life and then trying to move forward with someone new, its not easy. Kennedy was the one who helped Willow move past the trauma, if she wasn't there then Willow would very likely fall back into her obsession with magic for comfort. Kennedy has not had a fair chance since Willow and Tara had this awesome love and frienship story and then she comes into the picture as "the replacement"...I thought maybe since she's become more of a key figure in the season 8 comics that maybe people can try to point out the good in this character. She was the kite string remember.
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Kennedy
Aug 21, 2009 5:28:17 GMT -5
Post by Hallow Thorn on Aug 21, 2009 5:28:17 GMT -5
No, sorry - she is just not for me. I don't know if I dislike her or Satsu more. I have yet to read Swell, so I might be missing something...
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Kennedy
Aug 21, 2009 8:26:45 GMT -5
Post by diabeticdude202 on Aug 21, 2009 8:26:45 GMT -5
I think Kennedy was an amazing character. I never, at all, viewed her as a "replacement" for Tara. Life goes on. And so does everyone else. Tara's dead, yes, that's sad, but (not to be disrespectful) but its time to get over her. She was a great character for Willow at that certain point in her life. But as we saw in season 6, she was so far surpassed Tara herself that you could see the holes in their relationship. Kennedy pushed Willow to her limits because she believed in her. Tara was holding Willow back from becoming the best she could be ... and soon, instead of learning to control her powers, she supressed it, and soon, after Tara's death, it all come rushing out. I really do love Tara, and I don't see people's hate for Kennedy. I think she's awesome. She's kind of a brat; but in a good way p/s - sorry to hear that you lost someone you thought was the love of your life. Hope things get easier; if not, have gotten easier
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Kennedy
Aug 21, 2009 9:08:27 GMT -5
Post by AndrewCrossett on Aug 21, 2009 9:08:27 GMT -5
I have no problem with Kennedy. She's abrasive, and I'm not happy with her for pushing Satsu away from Buffy, but she's generally pretty cool. I like her and Willow together.
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willow333
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Kennedy
Aug 21, 2009 10:12:12 GMT -5
Post by willow333 on Aug 21, 2009 10:12:12 GMT -5
I do not mind Kennedy and I really never did. I was glad she was there for Willow in season 7. I would have hated to see Willow end the season still very sad and alone. Yes she is bratty and I think there could be a better match for Willow, but she is her own character and not just Willow's shadow.
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rogue11
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Kennedy
Aug 21, 2009 10:52:23 GMT -5
Post by rogue11 on Aug 21, 2009 10:52:23 GMT -5
Thanks diabeticdude202, I dont know though if Tara was holding Willow back or if she was just keeping Willow in a safe zone so that she wouldn't self destruct. Kennedy though was able to create a relationship that didn't have magic as such an important part of it, which is good for Willow since she could use something to keep her away from the ful force of magic. I still think though that Kennedy is like a rebound, has anybody been able to have a long term relationship with their rebound?
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Kennedy
Aug 21, 2009 15:43:32 GMT -5
Post by skippcomet on Aug 21, 2009 15:43:32 GMT -5
I have no problem with Kennedy. She's abrasive, and I'm not happy with her for pushing Satsu away from Buffy, but she's generally pretty cool. I like her and Willow together. Satsu wasn't pushed away from Buffy -- they weren't pursuing a relationship, Buffy has not been pining away for Satsu, and in several interviews Joss said Buffy wasn't turning gay, it was just a short fling and it wasn't going to be a long-term relationship. And the end of "Swell," Buffy gives Satsu not one crumb of hope that she's interested in pursuing anything with her -- THAT'S when Satsu gives up. Blaming Kennedy for "pushing" her away from Buffy when everything, even Joss himself, was telling you to your face that Batsu wasn't going any further is just shipping pettiness. Kennedy just voiced what Satsu, and you, didn't want to hear.
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Kennedy
Aug 21, 2009 16:53:50 GMT -5
Post by AndrewCrossett on Aug 21, 2009 16:53:50 GMT -5
Satsu wasn't pushed away from Buffy -- they weren't pursuing a relationship, Buffy has not been pining away for Satsu, and in several interviews Joss said Buffy wasn't turning gay, it was just a short fling and it wasn't going to be a long-term relationship. And the end of "Swell," Buffy gives Satsu not one crumb of hope that she's interested in pursuing anything with her -- THAT'S when Satsu gives up. Blaming Kennedy for "pushing" her away from Buffy when everything, even Joss himself, was telling you to your face that Batsu wasn't going any further is just shipping pettiness. Kennedy just voiced what Satsu, and you, didn't want to hear. Gee, welcome to the boards. Had this argument several times, certainly not going to have it again. The fact that you get so obnoxious over such a small comment certainly makes it look like you have an agenda. Good luck with that. Displaying a little respect for others will make your time here more pleasant. Look into it.
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Kennedy
Aug 21, 2009 21:43:31 GMT -5
Post by buffyfan21 on Aug 21, 2009 21:43:31 GMT -5
I personally didn't like Kennedy pretty much from the moment she showed up in S7, and unfortunately I can't say my feelings have changed for her much in S8 either. The one good thing I can say about Kennedy though, despite her annoying brattyness, she wasn't nearly as whiny as some of the other potentials. Many of the other potentials had a helpless, woe is me attitude, Kennedy on the other hand, liked to take charge and get the job done. So, although I do not really like her as a person or as a partner for Willow, that is at least one positive thing I can say about her character.
As far as saying that Tara held Willow back from being all that she could be, this I have to disagree with. I have never thought of Tara as holding Willow back in the slightest, and I really have trouble understanding how anyone could come to that conclusion.
As for Satsu, whether she is with Buffy or not, I really like her character and hope she sticks around for a long time.
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Kennedy
Aug 21, 2009 21:49:38 GMT -5
Post by AndrewCrossett on Aug 21, 2009 21:49:38 GMT -5
As for Satsu, whether she is with Buffy or not, I really like her character and hope she sticks around for a long time. Karma. I agree. She's my favorite new season 8 character, even apart from the Bufflove. I'll bet Joss lets Willow and Kennedy be the first successful long-term relationship in Buffyverse history, just to mess with all the people who hate Kennedy.
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Kennedy
Aug 21, 2009 22:53:17 GMT -5
Post by buffyfan21 on Aug 21, 2009 22:53:17 GMT -5
I'll bet Joss lets Willow and Kennedy be the first successful long-term relationship in Buffyverse history, just to mess with all the people who hate Kennedy. Haha, I wouldn't be surprised if he does.
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Darth Rosie
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Kennedy
Aug 24, 2009 2:10:56 GMT -5
Post by Darth Rosie on Aug 24, 2009 2:10:56 GMT -5
has anybody been able to have a long term relationship with their rebound? Hi there, sorry about your loss! I once was the rebound, and the relationship did not last, since my girlfriend did not want to commit. This was something, I realized after one and a half years, that would not change, so I ended things. For me, it is all about commitment: Even if someone is your rebound, if it turns out she is the right person for you and you both are able and willing to commit, then it will work out. Other than that, the relationship will just be a phase. And that's ok, too. Not everything is meant to last. What I find important is to be honest with oneself and the other person - and be willing to see something as it is. I have seen couples take longer to break up than to actually be a couple ... The rebound issue is one of the reasons why I find the Willow/Kennedy-relationship so interesting. I never had anything against Kennedy, I find her a breath of fresh air. She is fun, grounded and caring - and good looking.
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rogue11
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Kennedy
Aug 24, 2009 11:30:15 GMT -5
Post by rogue11 on Aug 24, 2009 11:30:15 GMT -5
Wise words Darth Rosenberg, I dont know whats with all the drama regarding comments made about Buffy and Satsu, I started this topic about Kenndey, not them. Buffy and Satsu wont make it, because if they do anything more, then Buffy would be just using Satsu and thats just not right. But I really like Satsu and can identify with her in a way, i hope she gets more attention in the future and we get to see her move on with someone who can love her back. Kennedy is the rebound for Willow, and she's been the kite string you know and that what Willow needed. Tara didn't hold Willow back from anything, except maybe her addiction to magic. Tara was the one who helped Willow discover her potential as well as her ability to love another woman. Willow surpassed her in power because Tara just didn't see any point in getting as deep into the magic as Willow did. Will kennedy and Willow last? Maybe because they seem to be opposites, but because of kennedy not knowing what its like to be swept up in the magic, that can cause misunderstandings in the future and maybe Willow feel one day feel like kennedy is holding her back.
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Kennedy
Aug 24, 2009 11:40:05 GMT -5
Post by AndrewCrossett on Aug 24, 2009 11:40:05 GMT -5
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Kennedy
Aug 25, 2009 2:09:55 GMT -5
Post by Darth Rosie on Aug 25, 2009 2:09:55 GMT -5
Thank you for the link *Karma*
Concerning Buffy/Satsu, to me their story seems to have had loads of significance already. Where do I begin? Buffy is still very young and in the experimenting stage. She is lonely at the beginning of season eight, misses "that sex" and there is not really an opportunity to go for it. Xander is out of the question, and we know that he does not truly love Buffy in *that* way because it was not him who gave her that kiss, it was Satsu. In an environment as that of the Slayers in Scotland, it seems to be rather "natural" that at least one of the young Slayers would develop a crush, indeed love for our Slayer. And given the crazy situation, all that fighting on the verge of life and death, it would be absurd if that thing between Buffy and Satsu had *not* happened - absurd to me, but I guess as a gay woman I am rather biased in favour of these encounters to happen. They are one variant of what happens between two people of the same sex who have different needs but whose needs collide at one point (and another, such as at the end of Wolves at the Gate). And: publicity ploy or not: This part of the story to me was sexy, exciting, extremely funny (when everybody came running and saw Buffy and Satsu) and bittersweet (their second encounter). *Sigh*
Sorry rogue11, now I also slipped into the Buffy-Satsu debate.
The different attitude of Tara and Kennedy concerning Willow's magic I find quite interesting. In a situation where there seemed to be no other way than stop dealing with magic, Tara supported this decision. This was the precondition for her coming back to Willow, I believe. And it is no wonder, considering Willow's abuse of magic directed against Tara. In season 7, everything is different. Magic and willow have become inseperable, so quitting is out of the question. And there comes Kennedy with her very healthy attitude: Magic is something she does not dig nor understand, but it is a part of Willow, and she will check out what is up with that - and will not let Willow hurt her. This is not holding Willow back but just "wait and see" and "I am not really part of that, but I will never be part of *everything* what you are". An attitude like that is a good basis for a relationship.
I am very curious if Willow and Kennedy will make it; I am sure it will be a rocky road, thinking of Saga Vasuki and other issues that will come to haunt them. I for one am looking forward to that!
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Kennedy
Aug 25, 2009 6:49:36 GMT -5
Post by Paul on Aug 25, 2009 6:49:36 GMT -5
Karma. I'm very pro-Kennedy and that essay echoes my feelings as well. ;D
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Kennedy
Aug 25, 2009 12:45:33 GMT -5
Post by Willow+Tara87 on Aug 25, 2009 12:45:33 GMT -5
I've always thought Kennedy was a great character. She got a bad rep from fans for being the "replacement," but in my opinion she wasn't. People dislike Kennedy because she isn't Tara. She's different. There's nothing wrong with Kennedy at all, neither is there with Tara. Both girls were/are great for Willow, none better or worse.
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Kennedy
Aug 25, 2009 16:46:38 GMT -5
Post by AndrewCrossett on Aug 25, 2009 16:46:38 GMT -5
And Satsu would have been to Buffy what Kennedy was to Willow... someone to love her, be there for her, and also give her a good shake when she needs a reality check.
But where Willow grabbed hold of her lifeline, Buffy has pushed hers away.
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Kennedy
Aug 25, 2009 20:32:08 GMT -5
Post by buffyfan21 on Aug 25, 2009 20:32:08 GMT -5
I've always thought Kennedy was a great character. She got a bad rep from fans for being the "replacement," but in my opinion she wasn't. People dislike Kennedy because she isn't Tara. She's different. There's nothing wrong with Kennedy at all, neither is there with Tara. Both girls were/are great for Willow, none better or worse. I dislike Kennedy not because she was a "replacement" for Tara (I never saw her that way), rather I dislike her because of her attitude in general. If she had a different/better attitude, then I would have no problem with she and Willow being together. The fact that she simply "isn't Tara" has nothing to do with why I don't care for her. While that may be true for some fans, it is not the case for me. Besides, that is not reason enough to dislike her character, imo. Of course, I am only speaking for myself here.
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Kennedy
Aug 25, 2009 20:47:20 GMT -5
Post by Paul on Aug 25, 2009 20:47:20 GMT -5
I've always thought Kennedy was a great character. She got a bad rep from fans for being the "replacement," but in my opinion she wasn't. People dislike Kennedy because she isn't Tara. She's different. There's nothing wrong with Kennedy at all, neither is there with Tara. Both girls were/are great for Willow, none better or worse. I dislike Kennedy not because she was a "replacement" for Tara (I never saw her that way), rather I dislike her because of her attitude in general. If she had a different/better attitude, then I would have no problem with she and Willow being together. The fact that she simply "isn't Tara" has nothing to do with why I don't care for her. While that may be true for some fans, it is not the case for me. Besides, that is not reason enough to dislike her character, imo. Of course, I am only speaking for myself here. There's nothing wrong with Kennedy's attitude. She's enthusiastic and knows what she wants, that's not a bad thing. People criticise her for being a "brat", but she admits this and doesn't apologise for it. Cordelia and Anya both had forceful, sometimes bitchy personalities, and they're two of the most popular characters in the 'verse. Not saying Kennedy's as good as them, but I don't get this "attitude" problem people have with her. Should she just shut up and meekly defer to the other characters, like Tara did? The essay Andrew linked to addresses this very well: " As for her being a lesbian stereotype; maybe; but she's definitely a stereotype of a woman who doesn't defer to authority and speaks up for herself in front of others; I'm always disturbed to read people - especially other women - criticising her for her 'bitchiness' and 'not knowing her place'." Why shouldn't Kennedy question authority and voice her opinion. It's exactly what Buffy would do in her place. Also, remember that Kennedy is a f***ing kick ass Slayer (she battles Turok Han with her bare hands) so she has every right to be confident.
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