Who shouldn't have died?

[Jsebold87]

Who did you want to live, not die?

[gumgnome]

I voted for Wes just because I think after all he went through on Angel, he deserves to be in the alley with the whole gang at the end, duking it out till it's over.

[Jsebold87]

I went with Anya & Cordelia. Killing Anya off at the end of Chosen wasn't right. She deserved to be one of those that survived the battle, it would have been more redeeming I think of the character if she had lived. It was nice that she went down fighting, but she didn't need to die to prove a point.

Cordelia was thrown away too soon. After how horrible her character was treated in season 4 she deserved more of a comeback in season 5 than just one episode, and then she dies. The fans deserved more Cordy after not really seeing the real Cordy for a whole season.

I also wished Tara hadn't have died, or that she could have came back or something.

[Hallow Thorn]

I wish the 4 of them didn't die, but Cordelia is living on as a higher Being and watching over Angel. Anya had 1000's of years of living (and might come back in S8/S9)
Wes came back in After the fall and for Fred, we got Illyria..

[snizapman6294]

The only death that shouldn't have happened was Anya's.

okay sooooo ranting mode: active...

Anya's death was the only death in the entire Buffyverse, that, in my opinion, was completely unwarranted and nothing came of it. with almost every other death in the Buffyverse, a character was affected drastically by that specific death or the death resulted in something relevant to the story. Anya's did not. For instance:

- Jenny died to prove to Buffy that Angel was gone and Angelus is in control
- Kendra died to prove to Buffy that Angelus needed to be put down
- Angel died in order to save the world by reversing the Acathla's spell
- Joyce died in order for Buffy to be as strong as she was with Dawn and the potentials in season 7
- Buffy, herself, died the first time which called Kendra. and the second time to stop the world from being sucked into a hell dimension
- Tara died to bring out Dark Willow
- Spike died to stop the Turok Hans and The First from unleashing the Hellmouth on the world
- Anya died to...?
- Doyle died to save the half-human/half-demon community
- Darla died to give birth to Connor
- Lilah died, and as a result, Angel Investigations was offered the Wolfram and Hart LA Branch
- Fred died and Illyria was born. And Illyria was one of the powerhouses of Angel's team in the latter half of Season 5. and the whole After the Fall deal with its true form.
- Wesley died and became Angel's new liaison to the Senior Partners.

The main reason Anya's death enrages me in the way it does is that, not only did every other characters' death get a mourning period, but her death was mentioned for like 5 seconds and was talked about once in the following season. There was no real reason or benefit to Anya's death. And as a viewer who is 'Team Anya', I can't help but be disappointed in, not only her death, but the manor in which she died... Her death scene (legitimately one second long) was very fitting to her character, but it was very disrespectful too. A character who had been on the show for 5 years and the majority of the series, was slashed across the chest with our final scene of her being on the floor, dead with blood spilling out of her mouth.

That is the one and only bad thing i have to say about Joss' writing and the series as a whole.

[jellymoff]

Molly. I liked her.

[Jsebold87]

Aug 21, 2009 4:34:03 GMT -5 snizapman6294 said:

The only death that shouldn't have happened was Anya's.

okay sooooo ranting mode: active...

Anya's death was the only death in the entire Buffyverse, that, in my opinion, was completely unwarranted and nothing came of it. with almost every other death in the Buffyverse, a character was affected drastically by that specific death or the death resulted in something relevant to the story. Anya's did not. For instance:

- Jenny died to prove to Buffy that Angel was gone and Angelus is in control
- Kendra died to prove to Buffy that Angelus needed to be put down
- Angel died in order to save the world by reversing the Acathla's spell
- Joyce died in order for Buffy to be as strong as she was with Dawn and the potentials in season 7
- Buffy, herself, died the first time which called Kendra. and the second time to stop the world from being sucked into a hell dimension
- Tara died to bring out Dark Willow
- Spike died to stop the Turok Hans and The First from unleashing the Hellmouth on the world
- Anya died to...?
- Doyle died to save the half-human/half-demon community
- Darla died to give birth to Connor
- Lilah died, and as a result, Angel Investigations was offered the Wolfram and Hart LA Branch
- Fred died and Illyria was born. And Illyria was one of the powerhouses of Angel's team in the latter half of Season 5. and the whole After the Fall deal with its true form.
- Wesley died and became Angel's new liaison to the Senior Partners.

The main reason Anya's death enrages me in the way it does is that, not only did every other characters' death get a mourning period, but her death was mentioned for like 5 seconds and was talked about once in the following season. There was no real reason or benefit to Anya's death. And as a viewer who is 'Team Anya', I can't help but be disappointed in, not only her death, but the manor in which she died... Her death scene (legitimately one second long) was very fitting to her character, but it was very disrespectful too. A character who had been on the show for 5 years and the majority of the series, was slashed across the chest with our final scene of her being on the floor, dead with blood spilling out of her mouth.

That is the one and only bad thing i have to say about Joss' writing and the series as a whole.

You forgot to mention Cordy, in my view there wasn't really any mourning over her death either. It was like let's take "You're Welcome" and then never really mention her again (at least on the show). I thought part of season 3 and pretty much all of season 4 were such a crapfest for her character. It really ruined a bit of her character for me, even though I know it's not really Cordy in season 4. But the stuff that pretty much killed the character for me is when they had her 'fall in love' with Angel by seeing herself in a cheesy premonition, such a fake scene. If I were to believe that she fell for Angel I needed more than that cheesy fake line.

I do agree with what you said about Anya though.

[snizapman6294]

I did forget to mention cordy didn't i... Well her death caused Angel to get the visions, letting him end the Circle of the Black Thorn...

[Jsebold87]

Aug 21, 2009 17:15:03 GMT -5 said:

Anya and Tara.

Agree with a lot of the Anya comments above.

Also If Anya had survived the scene on the legde in Chosen would have been even happier as Xanya would have been there together, like they should have been.

I agree, that's the way it should have been.

[snizapman6294]

Aug 21, 2009 17:15:03 GMT -5 said:

Also If Anya had survived the scene on the legde in Chosen would have been even happier as Xanya would have been there together, like they should have been.

Agreed 100%... and karma for being a fellow XAnya supporter.

[jellymoff]

I know a lot of folks think Anya's death was unnecessary, but I look at it this way:

Joss had to kill someone significant off in the finale. There was no other choice. Andrew was not established enough as a character, and people would have been even more outraged if Buffy, Willow, or Xander died. Dawn had to live because it would have negated Buffy's sacrifice in "The Gift". Giles may have been the only other possible choice. But in my book Gilles > Anya.

[Beaumonde]

Aug 21, 2009 14:51:12 GMT -5 jellymoff said:

Molly. I liked her.

i thought i was the only one!

if i had it my way all characters i like wouldn't die. but that's just not how TV works, is it? plus we fans need to moan about something.
i would of liked Anya to live tho

[The Night Lord]

Cordelia. Definitely Cordelia. Her character was so badly destroyed in season 4, she deserved more than one redeeming episode in season 5. And the fact that she was such an important person on the team and then she's barely mentioned in season 5 always annoys me. That's the one thing I curse Joss the most about, his treatment of Cordelia
Also went with Wesley, mainly cuz he's an interesting character and I like him

[Nivumo]

While I haven't watched Angel I really can't say anything for Cordelia and the lot of them.

Joyce died, and I truly wish that it didn't get reversed, evil as that may sound. It produced a depressing, yet truly fantastic episode - and that's what I liked.

I found Anya's death completely unnescessary. While likely they will get wounded in battle I wish she didn't go out like that, or go out at all actually.

Speaking as my own Tillow shipper, I miss Tara like hell. But I understand it was to further Willow's development. But still.

Dang at Anya and Tara. How I miss them so. I'll also miss Amanda, she was pretty cool.

[Erica]

I said Anya and Tara, but I also feel that Cordy's wasn't necessary.

I don't think Anya had to die. I wish she had lived. I love Xander and Anya and I wish they had a chance to really get back together. I know he left her at the altar & that's not something you just get over, but they did have some nice moments towards the end of season 7. I feel like their story wasn't ready to end.

Tara's death also didn't seem right. Seriously, how did the bullet go through a 2nd floor window & hit her in the chest? I guess it was a way of teaching Willow a lesson about magic, but... I don't know. Just didn't feel right to me.

And Cordelia...I don't know. Just another one that didn't feel right. I liked "You're Welcome" but I wish she didn't die in the end. I know that after such a long time of being gone, she couldn't just come back (especially to Wolfram & Hart) and everything would be alright, but I don't think she had to die. Especially seeing as she's been involved in the Buffy/Angel worlds since their very beginnings. She's always been there & it's sad that she had to go.

[Smashed]

Tara and Jenny.

I really think that Giles/Jenny had something really nice and unique. I would have loved to see Jenny come back to life at some point! Possibly even creating tension with Giles/Olivia.

I think it would have been cool to have Jenny able to talk to Willow with her magic-problem in S6.

Tara....where do I begin?
I'm going to leave it at this: I think Tara is the only person that can bring Willow out of the slump she's in. Bringing her back would help Willow so much. I hope she comes back permanently to the comics. If she were to, I'd totally start reading again.

[buffyfan21]

Wow, can't believe I'm the only one so far who has voted for Joyce. My second pic was Anya, though it was a tough call between she and Tara. Actually, I really wish everybody on that list hadn't died. I also would have voted for Jenny. I loved her character and hated when she died.

[snizapman6294]

Aug 21, 2009 17:38:02 GMT -5 said:

Aug 21, 2009 17:31:50 GMT -5 jellymoff said:

I know a lot of folks think Anya's death was unnecessary, but I look at it this way:

Joss had to kill someone significant off in the finale. There was no other choice. Andrew was not established enough as a character, and people would have been even more outraged if Buffy, Willow, or Xander died. Dawn had to live because it would have negated Buffy's sacrifice in "The Gift". Giles may have been the only other possible choice. But in my book Gilles > Anya.

Ok but where does it say that a significant character has to be killed off in the finale? If anything BTVS has been different from other prorammes by not following a common theme.

Always seemed mad to me.

Joss didn't have to kill someone off, but he chose to. He knew if he had killed off Buffy, Xander, Willow, Giles, or Dawn, people would get pissed... who is the only other option? he knew he wanted Andrew to survive because fans would be expecting him to die and all of a sudden, he emerges with the rest of the Scoobies on the former Hellmouth. And he knew that Buffy needed Faith for the new slayer regime... None of the potentials mattered enough to the fans, nor did Robin Wood. I mean we knew most of the potentials for, what? maybe 12 episodes? we knew Buffy, Willow, Giles, and Xander for 7 seasons. Anya for 5 seasons. Spike for 6. Andrew for 2. Faith for

I, personally, feel like Joss settled for Anya dying.

He couldn't kill the core four or Dawn or Faith... he could've killed off Robin, chose to let him live (why i don't know), he killed off a bunch of potentials. of the huge group of potentials present at the Hellmouth battle, we know three who came out alive. Vi, Rona, Kennedy and who had a role in season 8.

But i also feel like it was Emma Caufield's decision too... cuz she said at the beginning of season 7 that it would be her last year on Buffy... and i remember Joss saying that Emma 'Got her wish'... which i'm sure is a play on words...

I can say with full honesty that Anya was absolutely my favorite Buffy/Angelverse character. it goes Anya. Faith. Fred. Wes. Lilah. and to see her die in such an undignified manor broke my heart...

By the way, i could probably debate this for hours... and not stop talking...

Seeing season 8 almost three quarters of the way done, I realize that Joss probably couldn't have taken it in the direction that it is in with Anya present...

[Jsebold87]

Aug 21, 2009 14:51:12 GMT -5 jellymoff said:

Molly. I liked her.

I really liked her too, she was my favorite potential.

[VampSlayer]

Jenny. She was one my my favorites.

I was stuck between Anya, and Cordy for my second choice. I know they had to kill off Cordy, because the actress had had her baby, or what not, but it would have been nice to see Cordy at Angel's side 'til the end.

So, Cordy was my second pick. Anya's death could have been avoided, but I think it was a needed in the finale episode. The battle in the Hellmouth was huge, odds of Giles, Xander, Willow, Buffy, ect making it out is big enough. So I think Anya's death showed just how serious the battle was.