Tea - Total
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Post by Tea - Total on Oct 27, 2009 10:45:17 GMT -5
Truthful i think this seasons is thrilling entertaining, suspense. The suspense is killing me to death, i really want to know twilights identity. Epic battles ,the character development is still in depth.The actions is still epic. whats your thoughts.??
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BlueJay
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Post by BlueJay on Oct 27, 2009 21:35:38 GMT -5
When it comes to the story, I love it and hate it. I like it way better than Season Six. But something tells me that it's not going to be my fav.
For one, I don't like the whole vampires-are-popular story. I hated Giant/Mecha Dawn, I didn't like Buffy's hook-up with Satsu, and I don't really care for Twilight as much as I want to.
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Post by AndrewCrossett on Oct 27, 2009 21:45:27 GMT -5
I like just about everything in season 8, except for the poorly rationalized popular vampires storyline, and a couple of groan-inducing continuity holes.
How it stacks up against the other seasons will be impossible to tell until it's over.
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Post by Emmie on Oct 27, 2009 22:03:45 GMT -5
I like just about everything in season 8, except for the poorly rationalized popular vampires storyline, and a couple of groan-inducing continuity holes.
How it stacks up against the other seasons will be impossible to tell until it's over. I still think there's going to be a twist regarding the public loving vampires, but as it stands, it's an excellent meta commentary on the turn in popular entertainment today. This comic illustrates the point rather well.
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Post by AndrewCrossett on Oct 27, 2009 22:56:21 GMT -5
I still think there's going to be a twist regarding the public loving vampires, but as it stands, it's an excellent meta commentary on the turn in popular entertainment today. I hope for a twist, but if there's gonna be one, Scott is playing it awfully close to the vest. If it's meant to be a meta commentary, it would work a lot better if it didn't cause me to go "Uhhh... no, that's not how people would react at all." That leads me to conclude that it's a false commentary, unfortunately, as well as a stylistically inappropriate one. There were plenty of ways to poke fun at the public's current fad of romanticizing vampires, without sacrificing the plausibility of the season. If only it weren't for that Harmony/Colbert webcomic, which pushed the whole thing from "tentatively acceptable" to "utterly impossible by any standards of human logic." Absurdist social commentary in the middle of an otherwise self-consistent, serious adventure story just isn't something that works. If it's not explained adequately, it's gonna cost season 8 half a star in my final review.
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Post by NightlySorrow on Oct 27, 2009 23:14:00 GMT -5
Lately I've been liking season 8 less and less. I can't compare it to the show because it's clearly not the show at all. I don't love how big everything is, or the absurd moments like mecha Dawn. I've always hated Batsu and I still don't get the point of it. I almost quit the comics at that moment.
The vamps in, slayers out mess is the point I started to not care as much as I used to. I'm seeing it through to the end, and I hope issue 30 has a great twist ending to revitalize my interest. The art is bugging me lately though. Sometimes it's more cartoony than I'd like and the war that's going on doesn't feel serious to me. It's being dealt with badly and it's underwhelming.
I thought Retreat was going well the first three issues, it's issue four that made me cringe a little. Still I love issues 1 through 11, and little moments since then. And After These Messages was a lot of fun.
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Post by CowboyGuy on Oct 28, 2009 4:22:39 GMT -5
I quite like the anti-slayer agenda, merely because it seems like that would happen in the real world. But I think that going about it by making vampires all the rage out of almost no-where is quite silly to be honest.
I'm not a fan of the big, crazy, out there plot points in the comic. I even think the goddesses in Retreat are just too much. While it's cool at first, I almost have to remind myself that this is still "Buffy" because many times it feels so disconnected from what it once was. I think the problem with the story overall is that there are now many Slayers, and more and more awaken daily most likely.
A large part of Buffy was that she was alone in the world, yet, not alone in the sense that there is this legacy of women who were just like her that fought with their very lives to beat evil. Now, it's more like thousands of women worldwide who most likely reject their calling and just get to have the power anyway. Something about that just isn't as profound to me like it was when there were only two slayers...which was a glitch in itself! It made Buffy unique, which as it stands now, she truly is just "one of many".
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Tea - Total
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Post by Tea - Total on Oct 28, 2009 5:48:06 GMT -5
I have to admitt i love how Buffy's got a slayer army,the different storyline are golden because it relates to the show. Twilight is a mystery,The art is fantastic,its great that i can relate it to my own art.The dialog is brilliant. The character developments got even deeper into depth.
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Post by angeliclestat on Oct 28, 2009 8:00:22 GMT -5
The first 9 issues....great. Good story,art and dialogue. But after that....wayyyyy downhill. I tried up to issue 14 but just had to give up. MechaDawn was the stoopid straw that broke the camels back. There were silly things done on the show, but it was always within the realms of believability for the rules of the show. But that was just way too much. I have kinda kept in the loop in regards to what has happened since, and I am glad I got out when I did.
When the whole thing is finished I may go back and read it. But to be honest it all depends on who is revealed as Twilight. The comic may redeem itself yet, but unfortunately for me it was a huge dissapointment.
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Post by AndrewCrossett on Oct 28, 2009 8:19:18 GMT -5
I should mention that my problems with the storytelling don't fundamentally alter my enjoyment of the season. Despite the difference in scope, I find it as enjoyable as any of the televised series (and more enjoyable than some of it).
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Tea - Total
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Post by Tea - Total on Oct 28, 2009 8:20:47 GMT -5
^^ I agree that the "whole dawn story ", was pointless to the main arc . But with mecha dawn it had some classic dialog moments in japan, My favorite arc was faith and Giles it was a classic story ,great story and depth to the characters especially Faith.
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Post by iloveromy on Oct 28, 2009 10:51:53 GMT -5
No Future for You and Wolves at the Gate were the highlight of this season. It has gone down hill since then. The storytelling isn't as tight and the drawing isn't as good as it was in Wolves at the Gate.
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Post by buffyfan21 on Oct 28, 2009 11:17:00 GMT -5
Love it! I am actually loving S8 as much as any other season of the show. Can't wait to see how this season will wrap up! and can't wait to see Twilight's identity finally revealed! Wonder what S9 has in store for us?
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Post by Hellbound Hyperion on Oct 28, 2009 11:20:52 GMT -5
I'm waiting to cast judgment on the season as a whole until I've got the entire package in my hands. I'm unhappy with some aspects of the story so far, but overall I'm still interested enough to keep buying each month.
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Post by watcher on Oct 28, 2009 11:54:55 GMT -5
Well for me the storyline took a massive nosedive in the middle of Time of Your Life, since then I have lost a whole lot of interest in the comic. It's just been draaaaging out for more than two years now and I feel not a whole lot has happened. Two years is a long time to wait to find out who is behind a mask. The things I really don't like.. The boring Harmony issues and the "vamp is in slayers are out" subplot. Xander/Dawn/Buffy - I don't even know where to begin with this. Buffy rejects Xander for YEARS then all of the sudden she may or may not have feelings for him? Huh? To me it really feels like a gross incest three-way. Xander and Buffy had a brother/sister relationship and so did Dawn and Xander...just ugh. I'm not looking forward to the wedge it's going to drive into Dawn and Buffy's closeness. Running away and abandoning magic/slayer powers and bringing war to a peaceful Tibet and putting Oz's family in danger. The hundreds of nameless Slayers that seem to only be cannon fodder. Things I do like Faith, Giles, Andrew...I think they are the only ones that keep me reading.
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Post by AndrewCrossett on Oct 28, 2009 15:28:22 GMT -5
^^^ The things you're criticizing aren't necessarily bad writing... they're worrisome story developments. Most of this stuff will have "paid off" by the end of the season, for better or worse. It's really no different than other developments in Buffy history that had groups of fans screaming... Angel turning evil, Willow dumping Oz, Willow turning gay, Dawn appearing, Riley, Spuffy, the Potentials.
Some story developments are calculated to piss off a certain portion of the audience. But that's dramatic tension... the thing that separates stuff like Buffy from, say, the Teletubbies.
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Post by butters on Oct 28, 2009 17:29:04 GMT -5
Really started out liking it, now not so much. I could care less about any of the slayers, Warren and Amy are stupid and i dont care at all who Twilight is. Im kinda ready for it to just be over. I have a little faith that it can turn around but right now im just bored with it.
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Post by patxshand on Oct 28, 2009 18:58:51 GMT -5
I loved it. I spent the month waiting for the Buffy comic to come out. Then, PREDATORS AND PREY happened, and logic, along with coherent storytelling, went out the window and I just kept hoping it would get better. Then, by the time RETREAT came along, I was still hopeful but essentially indifferent. Then, RETREAT PART 4 hit, Season Eight gets the closest to jumping the shark the show ever has, and I'm left scratching my head, wondering where my beloved show went.
Save it, please, Joss.
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Post by Paul on Oct 28, 2009 21:14:28 GMT -5
I loved Season Eight but, like most people, the last two arcs have lost me. Also, now that the series has fallen off it's pedastal, I'm starting to look at the earlier arcs in a new, more critical light.
"No Future for You" and "Wolves at the Gate", taken on their own, are brilliant brilliant stories. However, as part of a larger season, I have to wonder what purpose they serve. "NFFY" spends four issues examining two characters who then disappear entirely from the series, and then show up later as extras. Seriously, the whole "Slayer social worker" direction had so much promise that I honestly expected a spin-off. Instead, the series squandered that potential and now Faith is a generic solider in Buffy's army who's lucky if she gets a line an issue. "Wolves at the Gate" was fun and wacky but, again, where's the arc relevance? Buffy/Satsu and Xander/Renee never really led anywhere... Satsu is Slayer soldier #3 and Renee is dead. There was no lasting consequences, and Buffy and Xander have both moved on romantically. I'm left wondering what was the point.
The whole season feels a bit loose and incoherent, jumping from one self-indulgence to another, and it's dragging on a bit at this stage. In the eleven months since we learned Riley is working for Twilight, the series hasn't even attempted to address what he's doing there. Instead, we've had vampire reality shows, random octopus demons, and werewolves fighting tanks. Not very satisfying on a character level, which is usually Buffy's priority. The series certainly isn't bad... at it's very worst it would rate about 6 or 7 out of 10. (I think Pat's recent 1/10 score for #29 was ridiculously harsh considering some of the dreck that's out there... at least Buffy has witty dialogue and nice artwork). But it's pretty flawed and has too many dangling plot threads.
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Post by watcher on Oct 28, 2009 22:53:37 GMT -5
This pretty much sums up how I feel as well.
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