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Post by Rebecca on Dec 24, 2009 15:03:24 GMT -5
*not reading spoilers not reading spoilers not reading spoilers*
I have GOT to find a new comic shop! Horrid hours on Wednesdays and they are completely closed today!!! I'm not getting it till Monday! grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
*calms down from rant* Anyways...
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Post by wytchcroft on Dec 24, 2009 17:38:39 GMT -5
So, ok, i was a little harsh on the art from the previews - the issue itself was pretty gorgeous. question though; at the end, is that a Willow moon sign or a 'Twilight' that she draws with her foot? |
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Post by Jaz ♀♀ on Dec 24, 2009 18:03:37 GMT -5
So, ok, i was a little harsh on the art from the previews - the issue itself was pretty gorgeous. question though; at the end, is that a Willow moon sign or a 'Twilight' that she draws with her foot? i don't think it had to do with Twilight....it could have been just a random doodle (something she was trying to fixate her gaze on instead of looking at all the 6 pairs of eyes on her while she was trying to explain her feelings for Tara.) I think she was just looking down and mindlessly drawing that to compose herself so she won't break down crying in the middle of talking and so she can finish what she has to say completely. idk, that's what i thought.  |
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Post by wytchcroft on Dec 24, 2009 20:08:23 GMT -5
ah yeah, makes sense - but in the realm of the unconscious (or where the heck she was) something like a doodle may have significance. or not! LOL! well, anyway, i enjoyed the comic a whole heap of much. |
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Post by dragonweaver on Dec 24, 2009 20:31:24 GMT -5
Despite my somewhat negative comments I wanted to come back and clarify that I still really enjoyed reading this and I plan on re-reading it to see if I come away with a better appreciation. There were many wonderful things included and I found the art to be amazing. That's pretty much all I have to say on that.
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Post by diabeticdude202 on Dec 26, 2009 5:48:32 GMT -5
After reading this issue, it got me thinking. What if Buffy is on a similar journey about her power deep down. But did it the easy way. And the guide she was given was Twilight. Where she learnt she has darkness inside of her. That all that has been happenning is due to the power she has/or doesn't have. Just me trying to make something out of nothing.
I enjoyed this issue - best tara drawing ever. But I don't want this artist to take over season 9. Jeanty is SOOO much better.
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Post by NightlySorrow on Dec 26, 2009 17:21:20 GMT -5
I really like the art and I wish Moline could do more for season 8. Jeanty's work looks rushed lately. Everything else was a little underwhelming. But I expected that. The pet names annoy me, and the cutsey dialogue can get a little tiring if it's used constantly.
Is Willow really that open to just walk around naked in front of others? Maybe I'm blanking, but that doesn't feel like the Willow I know. Or used to know at least, because I can't figure out who these characters are lately.
So the issue was okay. I didn't hate it.
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Post by The Girl In Question on Dec 26, 2009 17:32:24 GMT -5
I have no way to get to the comic book store today T.T This makes me sad.
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Post by CowboyGuy on Dec 26, 2009 21:25:45 GMT -5
I really like the art and I wish Moline could do more for season 8. Jeanty's work looks rushed lately. Everything else was a little underwhelming. But I expected that. The pet names annoy me, and the cutsey dialogue can get a little tiring if it's used constantly. Is Willow really that open to just walk around naked in front of others? Maybe I'm blanking, but that doesn't feel like the Willow I know. Or used to know at least, because I can't figure out who these characters are lately. So the issue was okay. I didn't hate it. This. Except that I blame myself for over-hyping the Willow on-shot inside for what I wanted it to be and what I thought it would be. In re-reading it, and checking out everyone else's thoughts *cough Emmie* I like it. We really did get real insight to what was going on with Willow pre-S8, and can sort of put pieces together, and hopefully with what's to come we will have a complete picture of who Willow is now. |
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Post by wenxina on Dec 26, 2009 22:29:07 GMT -5
Just as a teaser for the review that Emmie and I are co-writing... think about the concept of the ouroboros, aka "the snake that eats its tail", and what it represents in terms of whether Willow is, or is not a goddess. Also, it'd be interesting to see how you all interpreted the Elementals, and what they each represent. This is how I personally broke them down: evanescence (gas), fate (mysterious, with the book), agelessness (the tree), beauty (the double-faced floral), the wild (the furry lady), logic (math), passion (fire), mutability (water), justice (blind-folded with the scales), destruction (the Kali-esque goddess figure), perception (the Picasso-esque one), and energy (the lightning bolt |
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Post by AndrewCrossett on Dec 26, 2009 23:11:30 GMT -5
Also, it'd be interesting to see how you all interpreted the Elementals, and what they each represent. This is how I personally broke them down: evanescence (gas), fate (mysterious, with the book), agelessness (the tree), beauty (the double-faced floral), the wild (the furry lady), logic (math), passion (fire), mutability (water), justice (blind-folded with the scales), destruction (the Kali-esque goddess figure), perception (the Picasso-esque one), and energy (the lightning bolt They did put me in mind of the Endless from Neil Gaiman's "Sandman" comics. |
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Post by wenxina on Dec 26, 2009 23:17:41 GMT -5
They did put me in mind of the Endless from Neil Gaiman's "Sandman" comics. That's pretty much what I thought too, but in more discreet terms. |
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Post by patxshand on Dec 27, 2009 16:40:41 GMT -5
Man oh man, this issue was good. Best since #16, easily.
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Post by wenxina on Dec 28, 2009 17:12:53 GMT -5
My review is now posted on the SlayAlive blog HERE. If you'd like to check my personal review blog (I finally decided to compartmentalize my life, so this is new), you can also check out the review HERE. |
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Post by nickclark89 on Dec 28, 2009 18:43:18 GMT -5
see again to Tara, has been... AMAZING!!! Very emotional  |
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Post by buffyfan21 on Dec 28, 2009 19:51:54 GMT -5
Upon first reading the issue I felt a little let down by it, but after going back and reading it a second time I found that I liked it a lot more. The "scene" with Tara was very emotional and moving. Didn't really care for all the Willow/Kennedy stuff at the beginning, and could've done without the lame nicknames: Willpower, Ken doll; yuck, make me gag. lol. I agree with Willow, they are lame, especially Kennedy's line, "I just mastered monogamy, now I have to put up with not getting any-at-all-gamy" (love you Joss, but that was uber lame. lol). Yuck again. I really wish Willow had chosen Tara as her guide, but I completely understand why she didn't. I can't wait to see what else is in store for Willow as she continues on her journey. I think that was my big problem with this issue, I was expecting to finally get all these answers, and in the end it kind of fell flat for me. Oh well, hopefully we will have our answers in due time.
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Post by DorothyFan1 on Dec 28, 2009 21:04:26 GMT -5
I believe the inclusion of the Willow standalone issue is further indication (at least in my opinion) there are two fates left for Willow
1. Death
2. Departure
Either choice will be hard to accept. I recall reading a comment (I can't recall who) warning that what's going to happen will upset a big segment of the Buffy fanbase. So far we haven't seen this tipping point that will upset alot of people. I have a sneaky feeling it's going to be about Willow.
Recall that one puzzling factor in the storyline arc "Time of Your Life" was both Buffy and Dark Willow not discussing the implication surrounding Twilight. I think Dark Willow had progressed so far along in her dark magic skills that she had been able to wipe out all references to this past which probably includes the identity of Twilight.
Remember, we still haven't been told the identity of Twilight. All this time that identity has been shrouded in mystery. My fear is Willow is somehow tied to Twilight and we're going to find out how and why. Dark Willow's death in the future at Buffy's hands was Willow's apology to Buffy for causing what is about to go down in the present. (My opinion).
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Post by wenxina on Dec 28, 2009 21:29:59 GMT -5
FDW wasn't the same dark witch that we encountered in S6. S6 Dark Willow was a whirlwind of pain and vengeance. This one brought Buffy to the future for a reason. Buffy goes so far as to state that she was brought to the future, and shown the way out by FDW. But for what? It would seem that FDW needed Buffy to see the future, and her death was part of the solution (if the Fraypocalypse can be averted). She knew that Buffy would kill her. In fact, it would appear that she was counting on it. This doesn't seem to be an apology so much as a calculated move on her part. And from the preview for #31 it seems that the mystical event of FDW's death sent ripples back in time too, slamming present-day Willow with a large dose of magical mojo (my interpretation and pet theory at the moment, of course). If that theory holds water, it would seem that FDW's death was less of an apology, but rather the first in a series of events that will allow Buffy to win her war. |
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Post by DorothyFan1 on Dec 28, 2009 21:56:16 GMT -5
If that theory holds water, it would seem that FDW's death was less of an apology, but rather the first in a series of events that will allow Buffy to win her war. I've been thinking about pretty much the same thing. Except for one bit and I believe somebody in this forum touched on it - Willow's comment to Buffy in Anywhere But Here. Willow's remark went like this... "I won't betray you...anymore than I already have". The original poster remarked that Willow's comment is suggesting she may have done something that goes beyond what she did back in Season 6. The poster is pointing out Willow may have chosen somebody else over Buffy...Kennedy. If that's true...then it would explain Willow's need to be with Saga Vasuki - to gain enough magic to protect Kennedy from being harmed while still working alongside Buffy. Willow's sorrow over Tara's death is compounded by her guilt for putting Tara in harm's way by staying with Buffy. Willow is implying if she hadn't made the choice to stay with Buffy...Tara might still be alive. I don't think Buffy has caught onto this part of Willow's comment. If she had...Buffy might have been able to read between the lines to realize Willow had done something which really endangered the Scoobies. So my theory that Dark Willow's death in the future can still be called an atonement for a transgression still seems valid...for now. |
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Post by wenxina on Dec 28, 2009 22:12:31 GMT -5
I've been thinking about pretty much the same thing. Except for one bit and I believe somebody in this forum touched on it - Willow's comment to Buffy in Anywhere But Here. Willow's remark went like this... "I won't betray you...anymore than I already have". The original poster remarked that Willow's comment is suggesting she may have done something that goes beyond what she did back in Season 6. The poster is pointing out Willow may have chosen somebody else over Buffy...Kennedy. If that's true...then it would explain Willow's need to be with Saga Vasuki - to gain enough magic to protect Kennedy from being harmed while still working alongside Buffy. Willow's sorrow over Tara's death is compounded by her guilt for putting Tara in harm's way by staying with Buffy. Willow is implying if she hadn't made the choice to stay with Buffy...Tara might still be alive. I don't think Buffy has caught onto this part of Willow's comment. If she had...Buffy might have been able to read between the lines to realize Willow had done something which really endangered the Scoobies. So my theory that Dark Willow's death in the future can still be called an atonement for a transgression still seems valid...for now. It's possible that Willow's betrayal is quite simply that she chose Kennedy over Buffy, as you said, and as a result of that (compounded with her fear that her being with Buffy put Tara in the path of that bullet) decided to stay away from Buffy. Until "TLWH Part III", Willow's whereabouts were pretty sketchy. As far as I can tell so far, Willow's first encounter with Aluwyn had nothing to do with Kennedy, and later on, she was only ever contacted for information. I don't really see a need for atonement, but I guess what you're saying is that it's Willow's contact with Aluwyn that endangers Buffy. That her initial contact triggered the series of events that culminated in their current dilemma. And I guess that's where our interpretation of the events thus far deviates. From the last panel of "Anywhere but Here", I thought it was pretty clear that Buffy understood exactly what Willow meant. The truth hurt her some. There was no need to read between the lines as it was pretty much spelled out that Willow kinda blames Buffy for Tara's death. Kinda. |
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