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Post by Paul on Feb 2, 2010 11:08:51 GMT -5
Joking in the face of danger I get. Joking in the face of dead friends I don't, really. But I understand that things being "all different" in season 8 refers to more than just physical things. I guess the difference is that the Slayers in season 8 are not Buffy's friends, like the Potentials in s7 were. more or less. They are soldiers in an army. And, as Xander told Rowena in ToYL, "Soldiers die. They do it all the time." I think the scene with the dying soldier might have been more effective if the soldier had been one of Buffy's own Slayers, but that's not what the purpose of that scene was. I'd also like to know what the surviving Slayers think of Buffy's leadership. Oh well... plenty of story still to come. I agree with what you're saying Andrew, but this exchange in #31 mostly satisfied my desire to see Buffy acknowledge the dead Slayers/soliders: Buffy: I'm tired of seeing this. I'm tired of causing this. Xander: It's a war. You didn't start it. Buffy: Didn't I? I think from this it's obvious Buffy feels responsible for all the Slayers and soldiers, and takes their deaths very seriously. Her guilt is subtle, but it's there.
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Post by henzINNIT on Feb 2, 2010 11:18:47 GMT -5
Buffy in season 6 made jokes out of everything when she was at her lowest point.
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Post by wenxina on Feb 2, 2010 11:58:52 GMT -5
Joking in the face of danger I get. Joking in the face of dead friends I don't, really. But I understand that things being "all different" in season 8 refers to more than just physical things. I guess the difference is that the Slayers in season 8 are not Buffy's friends, like the Potentials in s7 were. more or less. They are soldiers in an army. And, as Xander told Rowena in ToYL, "Soldiers die. They do it all the time." I think the scene with the dying soldier might have been more effective if the soldier had been one of Buffy's own Slayers, but that's not what the purpose of that scene was. I'd also like to know what the surviving Slayers think of Buffy's leadership. Oh well... plenty of story still to come. I agree with what you're saying Andrew, but this exchange in #31 mostly satisfied my desire to see Buffy acknowledge the dead Slayers/soliders: Buffy: I'm tired of seeing this. I'm tired of causing this. Xander: It's a war. You didn't start it. Buffy: Didn't I? I think from this it's obvious Buffy feels responsible for all the Slayers and soldiers, and takes their deaths very seriously. Her guilt is subtle, but it's there. Xander's attitude towards "soldiers" is the same as Buffy's realization in "Get It Done"... when she realizes that not all the girls will make it. She cared about those girls the way she cares about these ones now. But now, she has a lot more to care about, both girls as well as how to keep them all alive. If your assertion, Andrew, is that Buffy cared more for the Potentials than she does her Slayers now, then the jokes about shopping back in "Chosen" were even more callous, considering quite a few had died. And nevermind that, they were joking about the demise of corporate consumerism in the face of Anya's death at the end. So no, it's not out of character at all, and jokes in the face of adversity and grief are quite a fixture in the Buffyverse, and I wouldn't attribute it to merely a S8 thing.
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Post by Hellbound Hyperion on Feb 2, 2010 12:21:00 GMT -5
Buffy in season 6 made jokes out of everything when she was at her lowest point. Uh, I don't recall jokes about her almost-rape... like, ever. Andrew, I hear what you're saying completely, but I think the issue has more to offer than just the preview. It's why I stopped reading the previews - I just get misconceptions about how the story is gonna play out. I think and hope you'll be pleasantly surprised by the issue.
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Post by wenxina on Feb 2, 2010 15:04:27 GMT -5
CBR REVIEW. Not as favorable as the earlier ones... which is to be expected.
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Post by wenxina on Feb 3, 2010 0:39:42 GMT -5
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Post by Darth Rosie on Feb 3, 2010 11:11:36 GMT -5
I am waiting all impatiently ... where's the spoilers? I'm all nervous! Have fun reading ...
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Post by stakeout on Feb 3, 2010 14:08:46 GMT -5
Woooah pretty cool issue! Answers some questions and also brings up a few new questions
I'm calling the whole Amy/Warren/General ordeal a trap. Come on!!! UR EVIL!!!
I really liked how they explained how Buffy got all super Buffy. Really wasn't what I was expecting but a nice little twist.
Overall, I give it a 8/10. Looks like we're headed to something BIG! I'm excited to find out about the Master Plan and why would it be invloving Andrew/Giles/Faith??? Maybe because those three have evil roots???
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Post by The Girl In Question on Feb 3, 2010 14:10:44 GMT -5
This issue is the highlight of my week, I hope it's good.
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Post by Hellbound Hyperion on Feb 3, 2010 14:14:03 GMT -5
This issue is the highlight of my week, I hope it's good. It's pretty great. I think my favorite part was the running joke about what Buffy and Xander were doing. "She's faster than a speeding -- oh, that's what they were doing out there. Nerds." Poor Will with the confusion spell! Searching for G/F/A and instead finding all that chaos...
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Post by Emmie on Feb 3, 2010 14:55:36 GMT -5
The connection between Buffy's new powers and all the Slayer dying was pretty mindblowing. And I loved how it was highlighted by how cavalierly they were treating the powers for the first half of the issue. Monkey's Paw indeed (and how awesome is it that Dawn is the font of wisdom here? Go Dawnie.)
Theory: Buffy relinquishing her powers in Retreat to the Tibetan goddesses and then calling upon them with anger and vengeance in her heart is what's causing her to now be the receptacle for all the powers syphoned off from the dying Slayers around the globe. Buffy demanded the Slayer powers back and she got it. Problem being she gave away her powers to the earth and the goddesses, but she's also the giver of all the Slayer powers to every activated Slayer around the world except for Faith. Buffy is now taking back her gift of Chosen without even intending to do so. And Twilight has set up the world to start killing off all the Slayers which begs the question: does he want her to be the receptacle for all these powers? And if so, is he collecting all the Slayer power into her so that when she turns the "sword on herself", she'll end the Slayer line?
Meltzer pretty much knocked this out of the park for me. Great writing. And Jeanty had some of his best panels in long time too. There were some panels of Buffy that I want so badly as art for a banner. And I haven't felt that way since Wolves at the Gate and the panel where Buffy clicks the lighter on.
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Post by Wyndam on Feb 3, 2010 15:27:27 GMT -5
Another great issue. The twist about Buffy's powers was fantastic. Meltzer really got to play with a lot of comic book tropes here, and I really enjoyed how they all flowed throughout the issue.
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Post by AndrewCrossett on Feb 3, 2010 16:12:19 GMT -5
Damn. Could someone please deliver a copy of this issue to me at my office? I'm stuck here for another 2 hours. :-(
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Post by Joe on Feb 3, 2010 16:18:09 GMT -5
I get mine in a few hours. I can't wait!
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Post by darthrosenberg9 on Feb 3, 2010 17:24:41 GMT -5
I was really pleased with this issue----and I never thought I would be after reading the preview. I am looking forward to the rest of Twilight.
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Post by KaileeA42 on Feb 3, 2010 17:38:13 GMT -5
I thought that this issue was really fantastic!!! Definitely one of the best in a long time, because IMO it's been mostly downhill since TOYL ended, with the exceptions of The Willow One-Shot and 'Turbulence', and a few others. The explanation for Buffy's powers was interesting and unexpected and I'm so excited to see what's going to happen with Andrew/Giles/Faith. Faith in particular when she finds out who Twilight is, since they have a connection. (P.S Are we allowed to say who Twilight is in there threads? I'm new and I don't want to spoil anyone or anything.) I've enjoyed this issue a lot more than previous ones, and the art also seems to be improving again. I don't think it's as good as some of the early work but it's mucho improvement from 'Retreat'. One thing I'm a little unclear on though. Why would all the powers go to Buffy and not Faith, since Faith is technically the real Slayer. Is it because Buffy was involved in calling the goddesses, or what? Also, anyone else think it was a bit weird when Twilight said "Now, who wants to hear a really cool master plan?" It just seemed a little off to me. Not really how he normally talks. Anyone else notice that? This is my first time doing any kind of real review or discussion here, good times, =) Overall, seems like the series is in good, capable hands with Meltzer an I can't wait to see where he, and then Joss, take the series! We're really closing in on the end here, Twilight reveal next month!!!
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Post by Hellbound Hyperion on Feb 3, 2010 17:39:11 GMT -5
I was really pleased with this issue----and I never thought I would be after reading the preview. I am looking forward to the rest of Twilight. Told ya the previews would be deceptive. Especially with a sexy sexy man like Brad Meltzer at the helm. So, Slayer powers channeled back into Buffy. Buffy had those powers channeled into the Potentials a) by using Willow and her magic expertise as a conduit and b) by using the Scythe as the power source. One old question, one new question. Where is the Scythe now, and why did Buffy get powers but not Faith? After all, more than one person here on these forums has pointed out that, technically, Faith is the "Slayer" and the one carrying the Slayer line, not Buffy. Fun note: doesn't Twilight sound like a total fanboy/fangirl in that last panel?
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Post by NightlySorrow on Feb 3, 2010 18:19:04 GMT -5
Whoa, another good issue? The comics aren't sucking anymore thankfully and it's back on track. I like how much dialogue was packed into 22 pages.
I'm over Andrew, the less of him the better. And the red stick figure drawings? Even I could do that......pretty rough work there. Otherwise the rest of the art was solid. And I don't know if I love that Buffy can run so fast, or how they travel all over the world in a heartbeat. It's too much. Makes the world feel so small.
I wouldn't call the revelation of how Buffy got her powers mindblowing, but it's a fine reveal. Don't hate it. I'm happy it was somewhat surprising.
Pretty excited about the next issue, and that's not something I usually feel about Buffy lately.
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Post by wenxina on Feb 3, 2010 18:37:30 GMT -5
(P.S Are we allowed to say who Twilight is in there threads? I'm new and I don't want to spoil anyone or anything.) No, anything to do with Twilight before the reveal in #33 MUST be in spoiler tags. Unless it's one of the designated threads (usually, with the word "Twilight" in the titles). Threads for #34 and #35 are fair game, though. A note for all MDHP readers: Part 1 of Jackie Kessler's Tales of the Vampires short is now available for reading HERE. The thread for discussion (as well as all 8-pages that were released by MTV) is HERE. Now that all business-related things are squared away... Okay... that was... nifty. It was nigh on perfect for an opening issue. The pacing was great, the voices were excellent for the most part, and the art was fabulous. Erm... first of all, let me say that this is perhaps the second time that Meltzer has referenced Kuala Lumpur (my home town) in his works. The first time (to my knowledge) being in The Book of Fate (it's a decent page-turner). Now that I have that out of the way, I must commend Meltzer on his ridiculously good writing here. All the pop-culture/geek references are hilarious. Two self-referential moments stand out to me. The first being Willow's "It doesn't mean that every month -- on every Wednesday -- it has to be the end of the world". It calls back Buffy's "Must be Tuesday" comment about Dawn being kidnapped in "OMWF". The second self-referential bit is pretty much Buffy denying the appeal of her own existence in response to Xander's description of Kitty Pryde. Plotwise, the whole thing moved at a good clip. Really glad that we got an explanation for Buffy's sudden power boost. Now, the question of how that happened remains unanswered. And if Buffy is sucking power from dead Slayers, does that mean she's going to keep getting stronger as more die? Willow notes that she's "getting faster" after she reappears to tell Buffy the news. For that matter, is Twilight even aware of what's happening to Buffy? As he kills more Slayers, more power gets siphoned into Buffy. I guess we'll find out in "Twilight Part 2: The Master Plan". Gripes... a couple of minor ones. First, Andrew's narration in the style of "fraptions" (took that terminology from Paul) was utterly unnecessary. Sure, it adds to the whole vibe in a sense, but it didn't really add anything beneficial. Secondly, there's a real disconnect in terms of locale. Where they are in this issue seems kinda tropical, from the vegetation. But then you have a shot of a temple. And you see Willow and Dawn running from a hut, which indicates that they're no longer at Oz's home in Tibet. They may still be in Tibet (barring the tropical vegetation), but not with Oz and the wounded anymore. But one would assume that Satsu is in charge there, considering that she's reporting in to Willow over the phone/walkie-talkie. And apparently Willow "magicked" them to this new place, and placed an enchantment over the place so that no one could teleport in or out. At this point, the confusion spell mentioned in #31 just muddles things up, since the way it sounds, Giles, Andrew, and Faith could just have easily been snatched up after the dust settled, since parties on both sides have memories of them being present. But I guess the confusion spell just confused them. But seriously... methinks that this is a point where a glaring patch job was made. Thirdly, Faith... her roid rage is a little odd. But whatever... despite the chunky paragraph on those issues, the issue still read well. ETA: Why on earth would Willow have even considered that Buffy's newfound powers were some kinda karmic reward for defeating the three goddesses... the three goddesses were defeated by Buffy and her new powers. Rewards come after deeds... so chronologically, it doesn't make sense. ETA2: On the whole Monkey's Paw deal... if you read the STORY, it's hard to not be hit by deja-vu... there are bits that sound very much like the episode where Dawn works to resurrect Joyce. In fact, if you look at the List of adaptations of The Monkey's Paw, that very episode is listed.
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Post by richie on Feb 3, 2010 21:25:08 GMT -5
maybe the getting buffy stronger, by killing the slayers is part of hte Twi master plan.... so maybe thres a big bad behind twi? humn.... i think buffy is kinda losty..... and the perfect line that kate said: "The Wonderful World Of Not Knowing What The H**L Is Going On" thats what i'm felling with B.... and i dont even read it this issue yet!
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