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Post by DorothyFan1 on Jan 5, 2010 19:30:56 GMT -5
mathieu: Isn't it blasphemous for a Frenchman to say he hates cheese? dorothyfan1: You're free to ask that question in the next Q&A with Allie, which will happen next week. Not Joss, but as good as it gets. Thanks for the invitation but I'm going to decline. I'm cognizant of the fact that producers or people of importance tend to ignore pointed questions when the revelation to anything significant could jeopardize whatever surprise factor they're trying to protect. Nevertheless I have a few observations to make so far. It's the Willow arc that's grabbing my attention...more so than the Twilight reveal. To me that's significant. If I'm more worried about Willow than wondering about who Twilight is...who's fault is that? It can't be mine. I'm not blaming Joss and company for this - just making a personal observation. However the point shouldn't be lost in the translation - I'm getting the impression Willow is becoming more important than we're being led on - again my opinion. Think about it...Willow of the future had concocted a plan that only she knew and we're still in the dark about. Not even Buffy knows. Present Willow is trying to "go within" and is seeking a guide. Needless to say I doubt the end result will prove Aluwyn is that guide. If anything Aluwyn may be in allegiance with Twilight for all we know. But I think the point is being driven home that Willow has become far more important to the survival of the Slayer tradition than we've ever allowed ourselves to contemplate. In fact I don't think it would be too far an exaggeration to say Willow's future and the Slayer tradition are becoming inter-connected in ways that even Buffy couldn't anticipate.
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Post by wenxina on Jan 5, 2010 19:44:53 GMT -5
Your observations are not unique in that it's becoming increasingly obvious that Willow's fate is pretty much intertwined with the Slayers. For one, she's magical, just as they are. For another, as you pointed out, Willow survives some 200+ years into the future, and her life and death seems pertinent to the overall arc of S8. What I'm saying is that it's not a veiled fact at all, or one that requires radical interpretation. It's text, not subtext. You're supposed to care about what happens to Buffy, the Slayers, Willow, etc. The Twilight reveal is just a plot element. His revelation will begin to tie up some of the loose ends of S8. Why people care so much about the Twilight reveal (it has its own thread for speculation, and is probably one of the longest threads on the forum) is because they've been teased for over 2 years now as to who he is. Hence, the hype. It's a big deal, but it's not the biggest deal of S8. The biggest deal (in terms of scope) will be what happens to magic, how we get from "Chosen" to the Fraypocalypse. Or how that future is averted. But the fate of the characters are explicitly intertwined with the "biggest deal", so of course you're meant to care.
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Post by DorothyFan1 on Jan 5, 2010 19:51:56 GMT -5
I can't help but remember what Sarah Conner says in Terminator 2 - "There is no fate but what we make." Problem is no matter what happens it always seems that the future happens the way it's supposed to anyway.
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Post by Midnight Butterfly on Jan 6, 2010 11:44:29 GMT -5
I honestly don't think Willow will get a spin-off. These are quotes from the Q&A with Scott for the Willow one-shot
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Post by Billie Erin on Jan 6, 2010 14:00:18 GMT -5
I wonder what aspect of the one-shot he's referring to when he says "what we've seen a little bit of"? Possibly Willow's potential to become evil . . .?
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Post by DorothyFan1 on Jan 6, 2010 17:47:18 GMT -5
I wodnmer what aspect of the one-shot he's referring to when he says "what we've seen a little bit of"? Possibly Willow's potential to become evil . . .? Well, definitely more Muffitt. She's cool. As for Willow...I do recall Scott hinting pretty strongly Season 9 is going to be pretty involved with Willow. So something is being planned.
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Post by Billie Erin on Jan 7, 2010 8:00:06 GMT -5
I wodnmer what aspect of the one-shot he's referring to when he says "what we've seen a little bit of"? Possibly Willow's potential to become evil . . .? Well, definitely more Muffitt. She's cool. As for Willow...I do recall Scott hinting pretty strongly Season 9 is going to be pretty involved with Willow. So something is being planned. That's good I really like willow as a character because she's evolved so much. Re-watching Buffy season 1 episodes I can't believe how much she's changed and i can't wait to see what else Joss has in store for her!
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Post by AndrewCrossett on Jan 7, 2010 9:23:58 GMT -5
Scott Allie on Twitter:
"Going over art & script for Buffy #33 1 more time before bed. Georges should be able to sell these for a pretty penny."
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Post by wenxina on Jan 7, 2010 9:35:23 GMT -5
Good to hear... I seriously hope that he's allowed to do the best work he can, instead of rushing through... Solicitation for #34 should be out soon... unless they're withholding it for fear of uber-spoilers.
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Post by AndrewCrossett on Jan 7, 2010 9:56:45 GMT -5
Good to hear... I seriously hope that he's allowed to do the best work he can, instead of rushing through... Solicitation for #34 should be out soon... unless they're withholding it for fear of uber-spoilers. That's the problem... even if they use a placeholder cover image in the solicits, it's almost impossible to do any meaningful copy for it without giving us some idea of how Buffy & Co. react to the Twilight reveal. I hope Scott really, really takes a careful look at that solicit before releasing it... more than with the #33 one which told us the reveal would be in #34.
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Post by DorothyFan1 on Jan 7, 2010 17:52:37 GMT -5
Good to hear... I seriously hope that he's allowed to do the best work he can, instead of rushing through... Solicitation for #34 should be out soon... unless they're withholding it for fear of uber-spoilers. That's the problem... even if they use a placeholder cover image in the solicits, it's almost impossible to do any meaningful copy for it without giving us some idea of how Buffy & Co. react to the Twilight reveal. I hope Scott really, really takes a careful look at that solicit before releasing it... more than with the #33 one which told us the reveal would be in #34. Just wondering whether it's still possible for Willow to be Twilight. I mean, are we absolutely sure Twilight is a man? I noticed the preview for #32 shows Willow is SEPARATED from the others. There's two ways this can go. A. It means Willow will confront Twilight and help Buffy free the others. B. It means Joss doesn't want us to know whether Twilight is Willow. By separating Willow from the others means we can't disprove Twilight isn't Willow because we won't be able to know if being separated means Twilight and Willow aren't the same person. If Willow had been captured...we'd know she couldn't be Twilight. Edit: Hold the pickles and hold the lettuce. I saw the cover for #34. It's a shocker all right. This is what Joss warned about people getting upset. Hoo boy, alot of people are going to freak out about this. I really don't know how Joss is going to get around this one...and I especially am worried about Willow right now...because if that person is Twilight..there's no way Buffy will fight him. She will probably betray Willow as well after this reveal.
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Post by soso on Jan 9, 2010 18:05:43 GMT -5
From the Superman-Hommage cover, it could only be Spike or someone else with curly/wavy blond hair. The hair is too blond and wavy for Angel.
I don't see glasses on the other cover. Maybe some sort of tatoo/ scar.
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Post by wenxina on Feb 5, 2010 14:20:48 GMT -5
The one preview page image has been added. It's beautiful, and a beautiful moment, and that may be Jeanty's best Buffy to date...
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Post by Wyndam on Feb 5, 2010 14:43:44 GMT -5
I agree, that last panel of Buffy is absolutely gorgeous.
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Post by wenxina on Feb 6, 2010 8:46:32 GMT -5
She just looks so sad, you wanna just give her a big hug...
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Post by martodd on Feb 7, 2010 10:23:26 GMT -5
To be honest I didn’t really like the preview. The first panel looks really good and is telling a lot about Buffy’s feelings and it just seems great. But the last panel is kinda cheap in my opinion. While the art work is amazing, the text sounds kinda… lame. It looks like something Buffy would have said in season 1 or 2, but she got so much more mature in the last few seasons, it is unbelievable that she would say something that childish. She has really dealt with a lot and while I can totally see her feeling guilty and responsible for those girls and for taking their powers, I can’t picture her crying over the fact she is like a vampire.
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Post by faithswatcher on Feb 7, 2010 11:21:41 GMT -5
I agree with the above poster. I laughed at the ridicuousness of Buffy's realization before i got the shock of the comment. She seems to feel worse about something she cant control, than the war she just initiated.
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Post by wenxina on Feb 7, 2010 12:01:41 GMT -5
I don't find it absurd at all that Buffy is feeling survivor's guilt, as well as feeling a little icky. These are girls that she made Slayers. Now they're dead. On top of that, she's literally sucking the power from them as they die. The fact that she's so much stronger now, and growing stronger with every Slayer that dies, means that she's literally sucking strength from Slayers. That does make her like a vampire in a way. It's actually interesting that people have previously talked about what it would be like for a Slayer to become a vampire. This is an interesting twist on that, without having Buffy literally get vamped. And seriously, I don't see how it can even be construed in any way that Buffy "initiated" the war. She was hunted down by Twilight, cornered, and forced to use force against his army.
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Post by martodd on Feb 7, 2010 12:21:12 GMT -5
In season 1 it was shown that Buffy’s worst fear was that she would become vampire. Buffy was 16 then. She grew a lot since that, she came to know much worse things in life, she died and then she came back, she became the head of her family and then she became a leader of an army. Her guilt for the girls that lost their lives while she was leading them is really deep place for the writers to go. Her survivor’s guilt, as you put it, is great. It could be seen as a metaphor – when we survive and our friends don’t, we feel like we are responsible, like we have taken their lives, their power. Like we are able to live, because they gave their lives to us. If the situation had been played like that, I would have loved it. But instead of something that deep, we see just a shallow whining “Oh, I’m a vampire, I cry, cry, cry, because I’m bad like a vampire! ” It’s just lame, cause it sounds like high school drama. Buffy is an adult now and her fears should go deeper than the realization that she is like a vampire.
I know the difference may seem superficial, but for me it is really a big deal.
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Post by wenxina on Feb 7, 2010 12:34:25 GMT -5
All we have is one page so far. And I actually don't see it as "shallow". As you said, becoming a vampire was Buffy's worst fear. But her claim that she's a vampire isn't really a "Oh, I'm a vampure, I cry, cry, cry, because I'm bad like a vampire!" That's the superficial bit. It's an extension of her her survivor's guilt. Not only is she still alive, she's thriving on the deaths of her charges. That's a powerful feeling. A powerful feeling of guilt, and ick. So her realization is not just that she's like a vampire. The realization is that she's becoming what a vampire is, something that thrives on the death and suffering of others.
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