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Post by Jinxieman on Dec 10, 2007 19:41:16 GMT -5
I think it would be great if Buffy and Xander got together. I think he is the one she could settle down and be happy with. They have both loved and lost and they are great friends. I mean who better to marry then your best friend. I don't think it is wierd at all to marry someone who is like family to you...I mean, that IS what happens when you get married or are in a serious relationship...you become family. So they are already like family...I say bring it to the next level...those are the relationships that last. They already know that their relationship can make it through the rough times...there is no reason it wouldn't continue to.
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Post by Shin on Dec 11, 2007 10:35:04 GMT -5
I think he will. In fact, I think its much more likely than him ever becoming human as he signed that chance away. I don't believe he's destined for hell, it only matters that he thinks he is. That's mainly the point vampires go to hell, soul or no soul.
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Post by bashipper on Dec 11, 2007 12:30:54 GMT -5
I also believe that Buffy and Xander together if exactly like Angel & Cordy - YUCK!!!!
I truly believe that when all is said and done, Joss will bring Buffy and Angel back together. I know Joss is notorious for not giving fans what they want, however, he has always said that fans ultimately want Buffy and Angel back together and I really believe he will eventually give us that.
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Post by Shin on Dec 11, 2007 13:13:57 GMT -5
I also believe that Buffy and Xander together if exactly like Angel & Cordy - YUCK!!!! I truly believe that when all is said and done, Joss will bring Buffy and Angel back together. I know Joss is notorious for not giving fans what they want, however, he has always said that fans ultimately want Buffy and Angel back together and I really believe he will eventually give us that. Although I personally want Angel and Buffy together (although not sure how, it would kind of make the story less powerfull if they end up together) I don't think everyone agrees with this. Some Spuffy-shippers are very obsessively against Angel/Buffy. Also I don't really think Angel/Cordy was that bad, I really love "You're Welcome".
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Post by nabikineum on Dec 11, 2007 14:33:27 GMT -5
I don't know. I'm not rabid for any Angel or Buffy 'ship. I really think that Angel and Buffy were perfectish RIGHT THEN, but Slayer or not, she was 17, and under the circumstances of their relationship especially (It was an intense, learning time for both of them where they learned then went their own ways), the person you burn for at 17 isn't necessisarily the person you want to be with at 27.
Buffy didn't have a future-- then-- and I think that made Angel feel comfortable being with her, and sort of vice versa. Angel isn't ready for Grown-up Buffy, and Grown-up Buffy wouldn't want to be with Alpha Male I-make-ALL-the-decisions Angel. Also, there is a lot of water under those bridges (Cordy-- no matter my opinion on the relationship, it happened and it seemed to affect Angel more than his relationship with Buffy did, for one).
Maybe Spike isn't the guy either-- and I have to say I have serious doubts, but unlike B/A they didn't get a full chance to come to a real ending to get that closure.
I have doubts about Xander, too, because I'd need some kind of growing closer/getting over it backstory that makes me buy it. I'm not saying I could NEVER be sold, but it isn't going to be an easy sell. Angel/Cordy was an easier one because their friendship was comparatively new and at that stage where you can more easily make that leap than B/X's 'This person is the brother/sister I never had' place.
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Post by Shin on Dec 11, 2007 15:58:41 GMT -5
(Cordy-- no matter my opinion on the relationship, it happened and it seemed to affect Angel more than his relationship with Buffy did, for one) I don't get why you think his 'thing' with Cordy was more important than with Buffy. Firstly Buffy was the person who made Angel the vampire he is today and secondly Angel was never really in love with Angel. I think Buffy is the most important person in souled Angel's unlife. Also Buffy does still love Angel, she said that in Selfless. She said something along the lines of "I love Angel more than I will ever love anything in this life."
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Post by matthewblake on Dec 11, 2007 18:40:05 GMT -5
(Cordy-- no matter my opinion on the relationship, it happened and it seemed to affect Angel more than his relationship with Buffy did, for one) I don't get why you think his 'thing' with Cordy was more important than with Buffy. Firstly Buffy was the person who made Angel the vampire he is today and secondly Angel was never really in love with Angel. I think Buffy is the most important person in souled Angel's unlife. Also Buffy does still love Angel, she said that in Selfless. She said something along the lines of "I love Angel more than I will ever love anything in this life." I believe the quote is "I loved him more than I will love anything in this life." keyword: LOVED.
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Post by henzINNIT on Dec 11, 2007 18:57:41 GMT -5
I think he will. In fact, I think its much more likely than him ever becoming human as he signed that chance away. I don't believe he's destined for hell, it only matters that he thinks he is. That's mainly the point vampires go to hell, soul or no soul. ... Thats what Spike and Angel believe, yes and it's neccessary that they believe it, you can too; but a souled vampire actually dying has never happened so what do you base that on? I believe the human souls will be redeemed and returned to heaven (assuming thats where their souls were when they were regular vamps) while Angelus and Willy the bloody go to hell. To each his own
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Post by Shin on Dec 12, 2007 10:10:54 GMT -5
That's mainly the point vampires go to hell, soul or no soul. ... Thats what Spike and Angel believe, yes and it's neccessary that they believe it, you can too; but a souled vampire actually dying has never happened so what do you base that on? I believe the human souls will be redeemed and returned to heaven (assuming thats where their souls were when they were regular vamps) while Angelus and Willy the bloody go to hell. To each his own I think the point was that it doesn't matter what they do now, because they can never take back all those terrible things they did and to the powers it did not matter if they had a soul back then or not. I don't know why exactly they believe that, but I think they had some reasons for that.
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Post by Giant Michael on Dec 12, 2007 10:45:42 GMT -5
I think anything as black and white as Heaven and Hell is very, very rare in the Buffyverse, so getting tied up in knots of over who goes where after they've done what is futile. Maybe Spike isn't the guy either-- and I have to say I have serious doubts, but unlike B/A they didn't get a full chance to come to a real ending to get that closure. His death was kind of... final. Until he, erm, came back to life, obviously. Does she even know about that yet? MB x
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Post by Shin on Dec 12, 2007 15:11:50 GMT -5
I don't get why you think his 'thing' with Cordy was more important than with Buffy. Firstly Buffy was the person who made Angel the vampire he is today and secondly Angel was never really in love with Angel. I think Buffy is the most important person in souled Angel's unlife. Also Buffy does still love Angel, she said that in Selfless. She said something along the lines of "I love Angel more than I will ever love anything in this life." I believe the quote is "I loved him more than I will love anything in this life." keyword: LOVED. You're right, you win! Grr
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Post by commandercool on Dec 12, 2007 20:05:53 GMT -5
I think anything as black and white as Heaven and Hell is very, very rare in the Buffyverse, so getting tied up in knots of over who goes where after they've done what is futile. Maybe Spike isn't the guy either-- and I have to say I have serious doubts, but unlike B/A they didn't get a full chance to come to a real ending to get that closure. His death was kind of... final. Until he, erm, came back to life, obviously. Does she even know about that yet? MB x As far as we know, she still thinks he's dead. As of Angel season 5, he was too embarassed to tell her that he didn't really die a heroic death. I assume she still doesn't know, since it would be a total cop-out for him to tell her "off screen", and it will be very difficult for them to meet in the comics unless IDW and Dark Horse can settle their differences and get us a crossover.
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Post by Jinxieman on Dec 12, 2007 20:59:11 GMT -5
As far as we know, she still thinks he's dead. As of Angel season 5, he was too embarassed to tell her that he didn't really die a heroic death. I assume she still doesn't know, since it would be a total cop-out for him to tell her "off screen", and it will be very difficult for them to meet in the comics unless IDW and Dark Horse can settle their differences and get us a crossover. Um...I might have missed something, but I have never heard of there being a huge conflict with a crossover...just that Joss doesn't want to tell the story of Angel and Spike in the Buffy Comics and vice versa, so he said they might make an appearence but that they won't have a huge story arc. As far as I remember IDW would allow Joss to use Angel and Spike in a Buffy comic if he needed to. I think both companies have a good relationships with Joss and I'm sure they would be accomidating.
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Post by nabikineum on Dec 27, 2007 19:28:05 GMT -5
(Cordy-- no matter my opinion on the relationship, it happened and it seemed to affect Angel more than his relationship with Buffy did, for one) I don't get why you think his 'thing' with Cordy was more important than with Buffy. Firstly Buffy was the person who made Angel the vampire he is today and secondly Angel was never really in love with Angel. I think Buffy is the most important person in souled Angel's unlife. Also Buffy does still love Angel, she said that in Selfless. She said something along the lines of "I love Angel more than I will ever love anything in this life." Of course she does-- and will-- love Angel more than anyone ever, because that's how you love when you're doing it for the first time. That's 17 for you. Angel learned in his own show after Buffy's death that it didn't affect him... or so it seemed to me. He pushed her away for Faith and, frankly, got over her much more quickly than she did him. He picked up with Cordy quickly (too quickly, the relationship didn't ring true for me to start at least). Then Nina. Frankly, his little interlude during the last few episodes of BtVS seemed tacked on. Like he didn't want her, really, but he didn't want her to not want him. Which is sort of okay, because first love is like that. I feel the same way about the first guy I had feelings for.
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Post by nabikineum on Dec 27, 2007 19:32:09 GMT -5
As far as we know, she still thinks he's dead. As of Angel season 5, he was too embarassed to tell her that he didn't really die a heroic death. I assume she still doesn't know, since it would be a total cop-out for him to tell her "off screen", and it will be very difficult for them to meet in the comics unless IDW and Dark Horse can settle their differences and get us a crossover. I'd like to add a 'darn skippy' to the off screen sentiment. If we don't at least get a flashback scene that I can believe in where Andrew slips in the bean-spilling and Buffy makes a plausable decision why she doesn't at least call up and ask 'why didn't you tell us, dumbass?' it will be ire-inducing. Just having Buffy be all 'Yeah, I know Spike's not dead' in some conversation somewhere would be too bloody annoying.
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Post by Rebecca on Dec 28, 2007 19:05:41 GMT -5
I have to say, I love Joss... [duh, right??] But really, he maintains the memory of Buffy and Angel, then Buffy and Spike, however I don't think that Joss plans to reunite Buffy with either of those two, especially with Buffy's cute-illusory cookie analogy about how she's still "baking". And then he starts sneaking us peeks into Buffy and Xand-man's light-hearted flirting.
Before S8, I would have said, no way possible adding a giant "EWW" to the thought of Buffy and Xander as an item. But then again, I was never attracted to Xander before S8. Now, he's dark and handsome, yet still our Xander. I think how Joss is developing these characters, he is well on his way to seeing his intention for these two to be together come into canon.
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Post by lee on Dec 31, 2007 0:40:21 GMT -5
Buffy and Angel were great. They were perfect together for a little while. They both had super human powers, could scale tall buildings, etc. Then there was that whole "can't make with the nookie" part. Seriously, try having romance without sex. It doesn't work and eventually one or both parties (usually the guy) starts feeling all rejected and the whole thing blows up due to the excess tension. Think Angel in Buffy's bedroom in "Amends" but without the First's annoying pressure.
I never was much for the Spuffy though it was way hot for a bit. (Let me just be clear and say that I love Spike.) Those two were all sex and not much else. Yeah, we all know Spike loved her and whatever. It was his nature to wear his heart on his sleeve - even without a soul. I'm sure he genuinely loved Buffy. That being said I will always believe that he went to find a way to get his chip removed so he could kill her at the end of Season 6. Seriously, dude screamed "No" as his soul was restored. He was NOT expecting that. I don't care if Joss or some writer changed that little piece of canon for S7. It wouldn't be the first time because we all know Dru is not Spikes sire.
I am not even going to touch on the Riley relationship. I will fully admit to hating that Iowa farmboy, do-gooder, one dimensional, sheep-like, poor excuse for a man. Just as he was getting a little interesting he left, but I didn't complain.
Personally I think Xander would be perfect for Buffy. I have been a big B/A shipper since the very beginning, but I always thought Xander was the guy who could help Buffy get that "normal girl" life she was always looking for. Of course being a Slayer means not being normal, but Xander could provide those moments of mundane and normal that Buffy needs.
Xander has always been the balance - the average guy with the golden heart who would risk his very human life for Buffy and any of the Scoobies. If nothing else, Xander deserves a little happiness thrown his way. Buffy had her shots at love and they didn't work out. Now she has moved on and why couldn't Xander be the guy for her? Maybe Mr. Right was standing right before her eyes the whole time. He's funny, smart, cute, looks good in a uniform. Okay, so he's kinda cyclops these days, but it only makes him hotter. I'm sure someone will figure out how to get his eye back anyway. If Lindsay can get his hand back then Xander can get an eye.
Basically, if it can't be B/A then B/X is the next best thing in my eyes.
Oh, and Cordy and Angel didn't work because there was absolutely no chemistry whatsoever. Cordy was a hundred times more interesting on BtVS. She lost all her snark and suddenly she made me want to hurl every time I saw her. I get that she was all "growing as a person" and what not, but it just fell flat for me. They even looked weird together.
I don't think Cordy affected Angel more than Buffy did. Angel was able to push Buffy away because they were both stubborn and trying to "move on" with their lives. Also, they both know they will love each other forever - no matter what. There is a certain comfort in that which tends to make people take it for granted. Nothing Angel did would make Buffy stop loving him and vise versa.
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Post by buffysmglover on Dec 31, 2007 0:48:16 GMT -5
YOU KNOW THIS POST WOULD NEVER BE ALLOWED AT WHEDONESQUE, RIGHT? SHIPPING RULES. LOL I have to say, I love Joss... [duh, right??] But really, he maintains the memory of Buffy and Angel, then Buffy and Spike, however I don't think that Joss plans to reunite Buffy with either of those two, especially with Buffy's cute-illusory cookie analogy about how she's still "baking". And then he starts sneaking us peeks into Buffy and Xand-man's light-hearted flirting. Before S8, I would have said, no way possible adding a giant "EWW" to the thought of Buffy and Xander as an item. But then again, I was never attracted to Xander before S8. Now, he's dark and handsome, yet still our Xander. I think how Joss is developing these characters, he is well on his way to seeing his intention for these two to be together come into canon. Welcome to SlayAlive! Buffy and Angel were great. They were perfect together for a little while. They both had super human powers, could scale tall buildings, etc. Then there was that whole "can't make with the nookie" part. Seriously, try having romance without sex. It doesn't work and eventually one or both parties (usually the guy) starts feeling all rejected and the whole thing blows up due to the excess tension. Think Angel in Buffy's bedroom in "Amends" but without the First's annoying pressure. I never was much for the Spuffy though it was way hot for a bit. (Let me just be clear and say that I love Spike.) Those two were all sex and not much else. Yeah, we all know Spike loved her and whatever. It was his nature to wear his heart on his sleeve - even without a soul. I'm sure he genuinely loved Buffy. That being said I will always believe that he went to find a way to get his chip removed so he could kill her at the end of Season 6. Seriously, dude screamed "No" as his soul was restored. He was NOT expecting that. I don't care if Joss or some writer changed that little piece of canon for S7. It wouldn't be the first time because we all know Dru is not Spikes sire. I am not even going to touch on the Riley relationship. I will fully admit to hating that Iowa farmboy, do-gooder, one dimensional, sheep-like, poor excuse for a man. Just as he was getting a little interesting he left, but I didn't complain. Personally I think Xander would be perfect for Buffy. I have been a big B/A shipper since the very beginning, but I always thought Xander was the guy who could help Buffy get that "normal girl" life she was always looking for. Of course being a Slayer means not being normal, but Xander could provide those moments of mundane and normal that Buffy needs. Xander has always been the balance - the average guy with the golden heart who would risk his very human life for Buffy and any of the Scoobies. If nothing else, Xander deserves a little happiness thrown his way. Buffy had her shots at love and they didn't work out. Now she has moved on and why couldn't Xander be the guy for her? Maybe Mr. Right was standing right before her eyes the whole time. He's funny, smart, cute, looks good in a uniform. Okay, so he's kinda cyclops these days, but it only makes him hotter. I'm sure someone will figure out how to get his eye back anyway. If Lindsay can get his hand back then Xander can get an eye. Basically, if it can't be B/A then B/X is the next best thing in my eyes. Oh, and Cordy and Angel didn't work because there was absolutely no chemistry whatsoever. Cordy was a hundred times more interesting on BtVS. She lost all her snark and suddenly she made me want to hurl every time I saw her. I get that she was all "growing as a person" and what not, but it just fell flat for me. They even looked weird together. I don't think Cordy affected Angel more than Buffy did. Angel was able to push Buffy away because they were both stubborn and trying to "move on" with their lives. Also, they both know they will love each other forever - no matter what. There is a certain comfort in that which tends to make people take it for granted. Nothing Angel did would make Buffy stop loving him and vise versa. Quite the thought-out first post, Lee! I look forward to many more posts from you. Welcome to the forum!
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Post by buffysmglover on Dec 31, 2007 1:06:05 GMT -5
Spike didn't scream "no" when he got his soul back. He was screaming in agony, from the sensation of his soul entering his body. He wanted to give Buffy what she "deserved". He knew the man he was going to was going to give him his soul. He believed that Buffy deserved a real man, with a real soul. True, true.
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Post by SlayerLV on Dec 31, 2007 1:29:17 GMT -5
Spike didn't scream "no" when he got his soul back. He was screaming in agony, from the sensation of his soul entering his body. He wanted to give Buffy what she "deserved". He knew the man he was going to was going to give him his soul. He believed that Buffy deserved a real man, with a real soul. I totally agree, and of course he knew the man was going to give him his soul I mean that's why he went through the trials that he did. Plus the man did ask if he was ready for it before he gave it to him. It wouldn't be the first time because we all know Dru is not Spikes sire. And how exactly do we know that?
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