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Post by Tyler Austin "tiewashere" on May 8, 2009 17:10:10 GMT -5
I ordered mine on amazon so I get it in ten days.
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Post by parabola on May 8, 2009 17:31:05 GMT -5
Going to pick this up tomorrow ... can't wait. Although the distributor eventually added this book to their list of releases this week, I know that some places didn't get it in and are expecting it next Wednesday instead. Ditto for amazon, which is showing a release date of next week. So ... I guess call ahead to make sure it arrived in your neck of the woods.
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Post by Whedon Fan on May 13, 2009 15:48:35 GMT -5
Anyone from the UK got theres yet?
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Post by Tyler Austin "tiewashere" on May 13, 2009 15:50:20 GMT -5
I just got mine in the mail! So purdy! Is there any changes anyone can find?
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Post by Hallow Thorn on May 13, 2009 16:36:35 GMT -5
Going to pick this up tomorrow ... can't wait. Although the distributor eventually added this book to their list of releases this week, I know that some places didn't get it in and are expecting it next Wednesday instead. Ditto for amazon, which is showing a release date of next week. So ... I guess call ahead to make sure it arrived in your neck of the woods. Hey, yeah I did and got it the next day.
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Post by VampSlayer on May 17, 2009 12:36:18 GMT -5
Picked my copy up yesterday! ;D
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Post by joony on May 19, 2009 10:29:49 GMT -5
Anyone from the UK got theres yet? I got mine the other day, The Last Picture Show in Meadowhall. Its not a big chain so if it was stocking them I can see Forbidden Planet and Waterstones having them too (I got my AtF Volume 1 from Waterstones, they put in in the Tv section and not the comic section though.) I just got mine in the mail! So purdy! Is there any changes anyone can find? Far as i can tell so far everything is the same as the issues. Though it doesn't feel at all as heavy as my other TPB's. Printed on a different kind of paper?
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Post by AndrewCrossett on May 19, 2009 18:15:08 GMT -5
I got mine from Amazon... just had time to casually flip through it. All the pretty colors. The only change I've noticed so far is that they've changed Rowena's dialog to make her sound German again (like Scott Allie mentioned they did in the last Q&A).
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Post by Tyler Austin "tiewashere" on May 19, 2009 21:02:41 GMT -5
They also changed the color of the thoughts boxes on the first couple of pages.
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Post by joony on May 20, 2009 6:01:19 GMT -5
And Saga Vasuki doesn't have green speech bubbles anymore.
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Post by AndrewCrossett on May 20, 2009 8:07:21 GMT -5
And Saga Vasuki doesn't have green speech bubbles anymore. She does still have very nice green bubbles, though. :grin: While poring through this book, I noticed something I never did before. Not sure if this has been discussed elsewhere... Near the end, when Buffy asks Dark Willow why she wants to stop her from going back through the portal, Willow says "Maybe I think the 20th century can soldier on just fine without you." 20th century? Even given the fuzzy nature of the timeline in these comics, it's certain that Buffy was well into the 21st century when she got sucked into Fray Land. So either... 1. Joss just goofed because he's still conditioned (like many of us) to think of the present as the 20th century; 2. After all these years Willow is a little hazy in her memories of when all that stuff happened; or 3. Something weird is going on: either Willow pulled Buffy out of the wrong point in the timeline, or the timeline itself is going wonky. Of course, every time I ask Scott or Georges about one of these "subtle clues" I get told it's a goof or a coincidence, so I'm assuming the answer is probably #1.
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Post by joony on May 20, 2009 8:43:29 GMT -5
And Saga Vasuki doesn't have green speech bubbles anymore. She does still have very nice green bubbles, though. While poring through this book, I noticed something I never did before. Not sure if this has been discussed elsewhere... Near the end, when Buffy asks Dark Willow why she wants to stop her from going back through the portal, Willow says "Maybe I think the 20th century can soldier on just fine without you." 20th century? Even given the fuzzy nature of the timeline in these comics, it's certain that Buffy was well into the 21st century when she got sucked into Fray Land. So either... 1. Joss just goofed because he's still conditioned (like many of us) to think of the present as the 20th century; 2. After all these years Willow is a little hazy in her memories of when all that stuff happened; or 3. Something weird is going on: either Willow pulled Buffy out of the wrong point in the timeline, or the timeline itself is going wonky. Of course, every time I ask Scott or Georges about one of these "subtle clues" I get told it's a goof or a coincidence, so I'm assuming the answer is probably #1. Hehe that she does. I'm going to guess it's number 1, 20th Century used as more of a turn of phrase rather than THE time frame Buffy is from. But i guess to fanwank youcould say it's number 2, Buffy was pulled out of the very, very early 21st century and with Willow as old as she is it makes sense she'd fluff it up. If it was significant in anyway I get the feeling Buffy would've responded "20th?", y'know drawing attention to it.
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Post by Darth Rosie on May 22, 2009 5:08:20 GMT -5
my copy arrived on tuesday, so finally i was able to read time of my life. i'm planning to reread it several times over the weekend. it's just beautiful. i know it has faults, but somehow it makes me so happy, i can hardly express this with words. so many wonderful things. and the whole temporal anomaly-mystery: so intriguing. bless. (i guess i'm a bit over the top - just finished a book manuscript at four in the morning and didn't get much sleep ..)
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Post by AndrewCrossett on May 22, 2009 8:29:52 GMT -5
I've re-read it about 3 times since my copy arrived... after having read the individual issues several times over. I keep finding new stuff, and paying attention to stuff I glossed over before.
Right now I'm really wondering about Harth's conversation with Dark Willow, where he says he remembers fighting her in the past -- due to the Slayer memories passed down to him from Buffy, apparently. He says something like "I remember you hurt me... and not just from fighting. You're connected to someone I love."
Of course at that point in the book, we were meant to think it was Drusilla he was talking to, not DW, so the "someone I love" would have been Spike. But now I'm thinking the "someone I love" would be Willow herself... so different from Dark Willow that Harth doesn't even recognize her as the same person.
This would suggest that Willow is in fact the "close and unexpected" betrayer who hurts Buffy later this season, probably to stop Buffy from ending magic. Harth *could* be remembering DW and Buffy fighting in season 6, but... somehow I don't think so.
To me, this also introduces the suggestion that Twilight could be Harth Fray.
Also... anybody ever comment on the physical similarities between Gunther and Saga Vasuki? Both are oddly-colored people with vaguely fish-like features and snaky bodies. Both seem to be sexually attracted to human women. We're told that Saga Vasuki is a demoness and (in "Fray") that Gunther is a mutant caused by solar radiation... but maybe the "mutant" thing is just how they explain away demons in Fray's world where very little magic exists.
The differences: Gunther needs to stay in water while SV doesn't; SV has magical abilities while Gunther doesn't seem to have any... although we aren't shown exactly *how* he defeated Harth's lurks when they attacked him in his home.
I always assumed that when SV told Willow she got her info on the time anomaly from "someone I trusted," she was referring to (Dark) Willow herself... that just before the return portal opened, DW gave herself an orgasm ("So close...") and sent a deceptive message back through time to SV which led to SV telling her own past self about the anomaly and setting the whole thing in motion.
But maybe it was Gunther who sent the info... maybe he's connected to SV in some way. DW was either working with him or manipulating him somehow, since he and his flying cavalry arrived just in time to drive off Harth and his gang, and DW was obviously expecting him.
And then there's Gates the demon monkey... apparently all that's left of the "last great Watcher, who sacrificed himself at the Battle of Starbucks." That battle would seem to refer to the big apocalypse mentioned in "Fray." So if Gates was once a Watcher, was he Giles? Was he Andrew? In either case, that could explain why he unlocked Buffy's shackles so she could escape.
I certainly hope the "Retreat" arc brings us back to the same level of pacing and significance that ToYL had.
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Post by Skytteflickan88 on May 22, 2009 10:26:01 GMT -5
He says something like "I remember you hurt me... and not just from fighting. You're connected to someone I love." Of course at that point in the book, we were meant to think it was Drusilla he was talking to, not DW, so the "someone I love" would have been Spike. But now I'm thinking the "someone I love" would be Willow herself... so different from Dark Willow that Harth doesn't even recognize her as the same person. Splainy? How could it be Spike? How is Willow connected to Spike? That's a very outside-the-box-theory. Good work. Very clever. I'll never read that "So close" Future Dark Willow scene the same way.
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Post by AndrewCrossett on May 22, 2009 10:59:36 GMT -5
Splainy? How could it be Spike? How is Willow connected to Spike? She's not... at this point it hadn't been revealed yet that the "madwoman" was DW... the hints pointed at it being Drusilla (the dark hair, goth wardrobe, the whole "madwoman" issue, her tendency to talk in odd flowery terms...) So when Harth says he remembers fighting the Madwoman and that she was connected to "someone I loved," we're led to think Buffy fought Drusilla and Spike (or possibly Angel) was involved as part of that conflict. But later, when the Madwoman is revealed to be DW, that exchange takes on a whole new meaning (which you'd probably only get when you re-read the story.)
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Post by AndrewCrossett on May 23, 2009 8:10:28 GMT -5
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Post by Darth Rosie on May 24, 2009 14:56:51 GMT -5
just today i was also thinking about the "so close ..."-line of fdw. as close as her orgasm (the "little death") was, fdw knew that her "real" death was going to be. so for me it was a rhetorical bridge between those two moments. but your interpretation is much more exciting.
on another, provably rather far-fetched note ... kennedy says "i zigged when i shoulda stabbed" (on page 39) after the attack of the demon that came through the portal. this reminded me of an old jazz song called "he beeped when he should have bopped", a rather charming melody, and it instantly came to my mind because of the rhythm of kennedy's words. well, the little pleasures.
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Post by rogue11 on May 26, 2009 19:19:30 GMT -5
I finally got this tpb. its rox. Having it with the other three is so coolio. I really like this saga, the interior art is cartoony and looks more visually bold. The storyline is great but did anyone notice in their book that the variant cover for issue 19 is not there!
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Post by AndrewCrossett on May 26, 2009 20:30:14 GMT -5
The storyline is great but did anyone notice in their book that the variant cover for issue 19 is not there! The one with Buffy and Mel standing back to back? It's there, but it's in the front of the book, not in the back with the others.
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