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Post by monkeypie on Jul 26, 2009 12:00:05 GMT -5
What's wrong with Illyria going to her uncle's funeral? She appeared as Fred when Fred's parents appeared at Wolfram & Hart, showing a sensitivity for the Burkle's, and she's trying to embrace her humanity isn't she not? Where better to learn the cost of being human?
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Post by VampSlayer on Jul 26, 2009 12:12:23 GMT -5
What's wrong with Illyria going to her uncle's funeral? She appeared as Fred when Fred's parents appeared at Wolfram & Hart, showing a sensitivity for the Burkle's, and she's trying to embrace her humanity isn't she not? Where better to learn the cost of being human? Because it's not really her uncle. I'm fine with her going, but the writer said that it was her uncle. It's not. It's Fred's uncle. Illyria may feel some conection to him, because of Fred's memories, but it just worries me that the writer said it that way.
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Post by monkeypie on Jul 26, 2009 12:16:54 GMT -5
ah, okay. I understand. Still, it's just a slip of the tongue i'd hope. Otherwise it'll just confirm my theory that half the people involved with Angel at IDW now have just read episode summaries rather than watched the entire series. I mean, i didn't hate aftermath, but there are parts of it which do make me wonder who let that go to print.
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Post by Brian Lynch on Jul 26, 2009 12:17:50 GMT -5
I suspect that, with Angel himself being a "franchise" character, there may have been too many Fox-imposed restrictions on what could be done with him in the story. So rather than compromise, Willingham decided to focus on a character he could go further with. He's not a typical "hired gun" writer who would be satisfied to just tell a boilerplate story and not disturb the status quo. But Connor is far from my favorite character, so I have to trust he knows what he's doing. That's actually not the case, Fox doesn't put more restrictions on ANGEL. And from what I gathered from Bill on the panel yesterday, Angel is in the comic a lot, just not with the other leads for a little bit.
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Post by wenxina on Jul 26, 2009 12:49:21 GMT -5
And when I said that it felt that Angel was getting the shaft, I didn't mean that he was gone for extended periods of time, just that with all these projects going on with the peripheral characters (i.e. Gunn, Illyria, Spike, Drusilla, and now Connor), there's nothing that's just focused on Angel himself. Well... other than "Aftermath"... which I never finished reading. Nothing wrong with taking these side characters and giving them a story that focuses on them, but the abundance of these projects vs. none for the broody one just makes for a stark contrast is all. I mean, his hero arc is nowhere near done, or at least I don't think it is. If nothing else, the damn Shanshu is still out there... unless Angel's John Hancock was actually filed away properly after the "reboot".
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Post by monkeypie on Jul 26, 2009 12:57:30 GMT -5
I see where you're coming from, but to me, Angel was always a little more of an ensamble effort. I mean, yeah he normally had the focus, but i was often watching it for everything else that was going on.
In short, i understand where you're coming from, but i just havent gotten to that point yet. Did you read blood & Trenches? i'd recommend that for some angel focused action. As for the shanshu, i think it works best as background motivation that no-ones really sure about anyway.
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Post by hitnrun017 on Jul 26, 2009 13:03:09 GMT -5
If the focus is Connor, I really hope Gwen will play a part in the story so we can finally get some good post-After the Fall development between them besides "YOU PSYCHO STALKER!"
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Post by neowhobaz on Jul 26, 2009 13:20:16 GMT -5
I don't know about everybody else but I'm feeling nostalgic from the first issue of after the fall. When Atf was announced 2 years back noone knew what to expect and everyone was worried about how the alley fight would be handled. In retrospect after Brian ( who we hadn't known at the time) had weaved such a brilliant and awe inspiring tale it was like screw the alley fight give us more lynch. I'm not saying Willingham is going to better worse or the same than Brian but It's better to give him a chance just Like I gave Armstrong a chance because We won't know how good or bad the story is until...well until it is. So Willingham and Crown prince syndrome you've got my support!
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Post by AndrewCrossett on Jul 26, 2009 13:44:55 GMT -5
Nothing wrong with taking these side characters and giving them a story that focuses on them, but the abundance of these projects vs. none for the broody one just makes for a stark contrast is all. I mean, his hero arc is nowhere near done, or at least I don't think it is. If nothing else, the damn Shanshu is still out there... unless Angel's John Hancock was actually filed away properly after the "reboot". That's the problem with the series being non-canonical now, though. It's not really "Angel's hero arc" anymore, it's stories about Angel. They're not going to have him fulfill the Shanshu, or whatever, in a book Joss isn't involved in. Sometimes this whole canon thing is a pain in the ass.
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Post by Nina on Jul 26, 2009 13:46:56 GMT -5
I for one am happy to hear that Angel will be around. I guess that it really was time for Connor to become more than the boy that follows Angel around. He is kind of a wasted warrior and hero.
But yes, Angel without the character Angel feels bad in my book. And Angel can have an interesting story without him beating up demons in LA.
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Post by Hallow Thorn on Jul 26, 2009 17:24:34 GMT -5
I am really happy that Connor is getting more of the spotlight, come on... he is Angel's Son. Do something good with him.
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Post by wenxina on Jul 26, 2009 23:13:41 GMT -5
I see where you're coming from, but to me, Angel was always a little more of an ensamble effort. I mean, yeah he normally had the focus, but i was often watching it for everything else that was going on. In short, i understand where you're coming from, but i just havent gotten to that point yet. Did you read blood & Trenches? i'd recommend that for some angel focused action. As for the shanshu, i think it works best as background motivation that no-ones really sure about anyway. Barring the canon issue, it's still a story set in Angel's past. I'm more curious about Angel's present and future. And when I brought up the Shanshu, I didn't mean that I wanted it to be the main focus, but that if it's still a viable option, then there should be something about it. For something to have been referred to multiple times throughout its 5 season run, as well as in "AtF", it seems kinda strange to just have dropped it entirely. And even if we're going to argue ensemble effort here, Angel was always the focus of the show. Right now, it's feeling a little like Buffy being sidelined so that the new Slayers can be showcased. In short, the hero is being shafted. Why, I don't know. Because no one has any fresh ideas as to where to take him next? I mean, he's been to hell and back. Twice, now. What next?
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Post by monkeypie on Jul 27, 2009 19:54:46 GMT -5
Sorry, i wasn't very clear When i said Angel was more of ensamble effort to me, i meant i cared more about the other characters often. Watching Angel in Buffy the first time usually irritated me, so when i was watching angel for the first time i was more intrigued with Doyle and Cordy, then Cordy & Wes and then slowly Angel. Thinking about it, i do feel that the Shanshu should be mentioned soonish, but given Aftermath's haphazard grasp of the characters i'm glad it didn't try and involve the shanshu. However i wouldnt say its been mentioned any less than Series 4 for example. I'm begging to be corrected here but i dont remember any mention at all in the entire series. So yeah, it hasnt been mentioned for a while and probably should be, but i'm not too worried yet as i'm still hoping it'll come back at some point. Any new mentions need to have some new development, and after Angel being told he's lost the Shanshu and then actually being turned human and back, i'm more than happy to give the prophecy room to breathe. As for Angel, i'm happy to wait as long as it means we get Angel written and drawn like Angel. I didnt hate aftermath, but it could have easily been written with a completely different cast. I don't know why he's being shafted, and it is irritating, but as you say, he's been to hell and back twice. As for the canon issue, i wasn't aware that the main Angel title was 100% confirmed canon either after AtF?
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Post by wenxina on Jul 27, 2009 22:46:53 GMT -5
As for the canon issue, i wasn't aware that the main Angel title was 100% confirmed canon either after AtF? Sticky issue... there's a separate thread for that debate. But I was referring to "Blood and Trenches" not being canon in the canon statement.
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Post by patxshand on Jul 27, 2009 23:37:46 GMT -5
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Post by AndrewCrossett on Jul 28, 2009 7:23:46 GMT -5
Wow... I don't know who that demon girl is, but she's HAWT!
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