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Post by midwesternwatcher on Nov 30, 2010 16:17:40 GMT -5
Very impressive. I've never collected action figures, but maybe I'll start.
Could you let us know a bit ... how does it add to your experience, having the action figures?
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Post by midwesternwatcher on Nov 30, 2010 15:42:27 GMT -5
Haven't checked this thread for a while, I see the destroyers are now ahead. Is opinion in the fandom shifting?
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Post by midwesternwatcher on Nov 30, 2010 15:39:29 GMT -5
Some of them must've been in the Magic Box. Remember Willow sucked the power out of several shelves full of black magic books. I suppose some of them, maybe all, belonged to Giles? They weren't for sale, I don't believe.
When Giles goes back to England ... there's an exchange between Giles & Anya that I no longer remember so clearly. There were some things he wanted to take with him that Anya thought she should be able to keep as merchandise for sale. He might've, probably did, take some of the NFS items.
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Post by midwesternwatcher on Nov 30, 2010 15:35:37 GMT -5
I stand corrected. Can we go after the bringers? Are they still around in S8?
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Post by midwesternwatcher on Nov 30, 2010 11:13:49 GMT -5
Anya was killed by the Turok-Hans, right, under the leadership of The First? I don't see Xander going after that enemy. It's a "piss on a hornet's nest" kind of thing.
We might meet somebody that Anya punished in her vengeance demon days.
A thought. If the seed is destroyed ... the Slayers already called and the vampires already sired will still be there but no more? So vampires can't sire any more descendants? Maybe this is the wrong thread for that question. But what about all the other demons, including vengeance demons? And what about Sweet? I guess we're glossing over all that.
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Post by midwesternwatcher on Nov 30, 2010 11:00:44 GMT -5
I do remember a handful of times when other students did come to that library. And of course vampires did. One of them steals a book while Giles watches. And don't forget, in season 2, vampires invade the library while Buffy is absent. Twice.
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Post by midwesternwatcher on Nov 30, 2010 10:44:31 GMT -5
Something that always bothered me.
Giles has a collection of rare and valuable books which are critically important resources in the struggle against evil.
Why does he keep them just a few feet from the Hellmouth? And in a public place, where vampires can enter freely? And why doesn't he move them, even after a vampire actually steals one?
When the high school is destroyed, I don't remember that he moves them. I suppose that happens off screen?
Any ideas?
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Post by midwesternwatcher on Nov 30, 2010 8:47:12 GMT -5
I hope this doesn't count as a double post ... Really, nobody watched any Angel eps in the last two days?
I just finished "Slouching Toward Bethlehem." It's a Cordy-centered episode, sort of, and I cringe inwardly whenever I see Cordy, especially when they try to make her likable.
There's a truth theme in it, and a moral quandary theme. The final scene between Wesley and Lilah is one of the high points of the Angel series, I'd probably put this as one of my favorite Angel eps just for that. And you really gotta hand it to Lilah for the way she played Wesley and Angel.
I just noticed an earlier post about "Why We Fiight." I'm not sure why, but I rather liked Spike dressed as a Nazi. Spike in those days, he would've liked the Nazis. I can imagine him following the German Army as it advanced into Russia, finishing off the wounded. Why not? He doesn't mind the cold.
Funny thought I just had. If they really had to bring Spike back to get a fifth season of Angel, maybe they could've featured a series of flashbacks, so we would've seen the character even though he stayed dead. We could've learned a lot about Spike and Angel's complex relationship. I would love to see those two kiss.
I notice somebody just gave me a karma point. I'll probably lose it for saying that.
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Post by midwesternwatcher on Nov 30, 2010 8:31:30 GMT -5
Any relationship where Buffy is a part is sacred to me. That includes most of the non-canonical ships. The only pairings I've ever seen in fanfic that I didn't like were Buffy-Giles and Buffy-Dawn.
As for Xander, well, I wouldn't say he has any romantic judgment good or bad. He just takes what he can get (except Willow, well, even Willow). When he said he loved Anya, I never believed him. He should've married her, though. No way he'll ever find anything better.
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Post by midwesternwatcher on Nov 30, 2010 8:19:56 GMT -5
Am I the only one who likes Cordy/Connor? I don't like it on the Cordy, because I don't like anything about Cordy, but I get how Connor felt.
But least favorite ships ... Cangel I never got, never made sense to me. Cordy/Xander I never liked either.
I just finished watching "Slouching Toward Bethlehem," which is a Cordy-centric episode sort of, so I've got my hate on.
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Post by midwesternwatcher on Nov 29, 2010 11:05:00 GMT -5
I seem to remember a good Spike/Angel one. Unfortunately I wasn't open-minded enough to read that, but it was good work. If you don't mind Femmeslash, I can warmly recommend Barnabas.C's Dawn-centric fic American girls. It's on ff.net. There's also a series called Compelled to play~ The basic storyline there is that Illyria goes back to season 7 of Buffy, changes a few things and takes the whole war on evil to crazy new levels. I Curious. How do you know it was good work if you didn't read it? I don't mind femslash at all. Lots of good fics in that, not all of them porn. Are there some people who don't like it? Back to the main point ... I do have a suggestion for an alternate S8. Suppose the powers of the new slayers fade over time? They aren't as special now. The vampires are fewer, but maybe tougher. Willow's big spell begins to backfire. It does seem to be there must be some consequence for Willow's spell, right? And we could pick Dawn being the Key again. Not sure how.
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Post by midwesternwatcher on Nov 29, 2010 10:52:47 GMT -5
I'm glad to see more talk about what this movie might be like, and more tolerance for an alternate version of Buffy. When the time comes, let's go see it, and then say what we think.
I'm very much in a minority on this issue. I never thought it would be otherwise. But I don't feel quite as isolated as I did before. One post in this thread suggested that anyone who supported the so-called Nuffy movie must've been ten or younger when the show was on the air. My! How old do you guys think I am, I wonder?
It occurred to me this morning to check my karma points. Apparently I only lost one karma point through this acrimonious exchange. I'm impressed. This is a pretty polite forum, thanks for your courtesy.
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Post by midwesternwatcher on Nov 29, 2010 10:34:33 GMT -5
Surprises me nobody mentioned Dr. Horrible or The Guild. I didn't either. I guess we still don't see web series as being quite the real thing?
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Post by midwesternwatcher on Nov 28, 2010 20:56:19 GMT -5
Just finished "The House Always Wins," 4.3. It's good, but "run of the mill television" kind of good.
The continuity episodes in Angel, it seems to me, are usually not far behind the continuity episodes of Buffy in quality. But the non-continuity episodes just don't compare. The plot seems contrived to me, the metaphors are ham-fisted, the conclusion comes too easily. The best part is the first few minutes, before the AI team goes to Las Vegas, IMHO.
I did a very extensive edit on the Buffy wiki. When I write a synopsis, it's long and detailed, maybe too much so. If somebody wants to shorten it, I won't object. I had to edit "Deep Down," too. I'm surprised nobody put in the explanation for Lorne's "fluffy" remark to Fred. That's just the kind of thing somebody might look in the wiki to clear up. At least if somebody is me.
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Post by midwesternwatcher on Nov 28, 2010 20:48:48 GMT -5
The artwork is cool. I wish I knew more about the story. Are you trying to sell this somewhere?
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Post by midwesternwatcher on Nov 28, 2010 10:35:25 GMT -5
Caroline, I hope you don't mind if I save some of those pictures. Now and then I meet somebody who thinks it's odd that I'm such a blathering, simpering, drooling fanboy. I tell them I'm not as afflicted as some other people. Now I can prove it!
You keep changing your name, I can hardly keep track. Is it fair to call yourself "Eric's Love?" There are so many people who love you. Where am I in the queue?
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Post by midwesternwatcher on Nov 27, 2010 19:21:11 GMT -5
1. Buffy 2. Firefly 3. Six Feet Under 4. Angel
... surprised nobody mentioned Six Feet Under yet. I want to like Dollhouse, but I just don't. Haven't seen Being Human, it sounds cool, must check it out.
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Post by midwesternwatcher on Nov 26, 2010 21:37:04 GMT -5
midwesternwatcher... clearly we have vastly different opinions on the ethics of this situation. Like, matter/antimatter different. It would be kind of pointless to keep going over the same arguments over and over and over. Unless and until a miracle occurs and Joss decides to endorse and get involved in this off-brand parody of his creation, my feelings on it aren't going to change. I doubt yours will either. I'm going to let my previous posts (and my sig) speak for my position on this matter, though I'll certainly chime in if anyone has any new points to make. I'm determined not to let this depressing news ruin my holidays. Hopefully next Wednesday's issue of season 8 won't ruin them, either. Actually, I think our viewpoints are very similar. All I have to do to win this argument is to get you to say something like, "On this point (doesn't matter what it is), I think Joss is wrong, and I don't accept his version." The instant you say that, you are asserting that you own the Buffyverse too. Have you ever said that? As far as I know, you haven't. But you did say, in an earlier post on this thread, that you wouldn't accept some things about S8 except for the fact that Joss authorized them. That's very, very close.
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Post by midwesternwatcher on Nov 26, 2010 7:50:09 GMT -5
I've read a couple of posts here that strike me funny. I said that some fans are resistant to change, wanting Buffy to stay "the same old thing." The response I get is that many fans are complaining about too much change in S8. You guys actually agree with me.
Somebody used the phrase "weird socialist utopia." What I am suggesting is not revolutionary. If anything, it's reactionary. In nature, all ideas belong to everybody. What's weird is the notion that an idea can be somebody's private property, a crazy fiction that can be maintained only by the constant intervention of the police.
The "common property of all mankind" in the realm of ideas includes, among other things, vampires, witches, werewolves, ghosts, wizards, gods as from Greece and Egypt, and iconic figures like Paul Bunyon, John Henry, and Hercules (who represents the archers of the ancient Greek army). I could give some 20th century examples, too. We all know what Santa Claus looks like, right? The Santa Claus of today was invented for a Coca Cola ad. We can name the Seven Dwarves, right? Those names were invented for the Walt Disney movie.
Someday, I hope, the notion of a Slayer will become linked to the vampire legend. In a hundred years, somebody who's never heard of Joss Whedon will write a vampire story that includes a Slayer and the audience will accept it without a qualm.
Did I say in a hundred years? I hope it's less. The sooner the better.
That's how I think it will turn out. And that's the best possible outcome. The alternative is that BtVS will be a "masterpiece to admire" that people will look at only when and because some teacher forces them.
There are many books, and even some movies, that survive in this half-life zone. I cringe to think of them. Let them die decently! And sometimes they do. Have any of you heard of a book called "The Courtier," by Baldassare Castiglione? It was written about 1500, and was a towering classic for 350 years, an essential element of the education of every gentleman and lady in Europe and America. Then it disappeared. It had nothing to say to the people of 1850. It has even less to say now.
That's the last fate I want for Buffy.
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Post by midwesternwatcher on Nov 25, 2010 15:08:56 GMT -5
What was wrong with Buffy ending where it did? I mean I'd love a one-off movie with all the original cast and writers, but I'm happy with keeping Buffy as it is. It's like if someone tried to remake Donnie Darko, there is no need for it because as it is is fine. Buffy should be left alone, I like it as it is. I'm glad somebody finally said it. If you want to stick with seven seasons, or five, or three, that's fine with me. But I don't see why anyone should be offended if some of us want to explore other possibilities. Buffy has been around since 1997, or 1992 if you count the original movie. Superman has been around since 1938, yet it is still possible to write Superman stories and make Superman movies that will attract an audience. Wouldn't it be strange if it turns out there are no more good stories to tell in the Buffyverse? And if there are, don't you want them told? Now for a really heretical thought. Prepare to be shocked! Maybe there are good stories in the Buffyverse that Joss Whedon cannot tell. He is a particular person, he has a certain mindset, his vision is limited, as is everyone's. Maybe we need someone else to work out the full range of Buffyverse possibilities.
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