beeemkcl
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Post by beeemkcl on May 13, 2010 20:49:22 GMT -5
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Giles said that there is no balance left, not that that’s why Faith somehow got her powers back and was no longer hurt from Angel’s very recent beating of her.
Somehow, there were six – or more – dimensional rifts. Supposedly, it’s because of Buffy and Angel going to Twilight.
Do we know this or did Faith – if she did – just assume that since she got her powers back that all the Slayers got their powers back.
In #34 and #35 talks about the Slayer and vampire ‘as one’. He isn’t talking about just the Slayer and saying he’s shocked and confused about this whole supervampire thing.
Willow is thinking through stuff.
Because Brad Meltzer came up with it and got Joss to agree with it…
They did it throughout Season 4 and 5, and various people commented on the marks. It makes zero sense for someone like Robin Wood to have never commented on the fact that it seems Buffy has two bite marks on her neck.
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And “The Chain” was curious as well since Buffy has not only never had bite marks on her neck since Season 5, she hasn’t had a scar on her neck throughout Season 8. #34 is the FIRST time she’s shown having bite marks on her neck.
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Post by wenxina on May 13, 2010 21:29:23 GMT -5
Giles said that there is no balance left, not that that’s why Faith somehow got her powers back and was no longer hurt from Angel’s very recent beating of her. Somehow, there were six – or more – dimensional rifts. Supposedly, it’s because of Buffy and Angel going to Twilight. Willow got her powers back because of a future cataclysmic event back in #31. That scene is flashed back to in #34. The apocalypse that Buffy and Angel brought about, that's the cataclysmic event. Once they start going at it, bringing Twilight into creation, the balance no longer matters. So dimensional rifts open up. Demons pour in. The world is essentially dying, and in its place, Twilight emerges as the new world. How exactly it is that Faith and the other Slayers get their powers back, we don't quite know. The exact mechanism is hazy. But Faith gets her powers back right as the world begins to rumble. Which correlates well to it being a by-product of the world crapping out on itself. Do we know this or did Faith – if she did – just assume that since she got her powers back that all the Slayers got their powers back. I don't think it's just an assumption Faith made. There are plenty of other Slayers in the scene, and while many are falling, the massacre would be a lot bloodier if the girls were not repowered. I think the point of Faith saying: "Even with their powers back, our girls are gonna get slaughtered out there" is to say "Yes, the other Slayers have their powers back now". In #34 and #35 talks about the Slayer and vampire ‘as one’. He isn’t talking about just the Slayer and saying he’s shocked and confused about this whole supervampire thing. Giles talks about the universe pulling Buffy and Angel together. However, when he's talking about vampires and Slayers throughout the ages, he's only talking about it in terms of the balance. How one is supposed to keep the other in check in a losing battle. Willow isn't just thinking through stuff, as you supposed. Once she takes over the narration, she becomes the authority here. Yes, she could be wrong, just like she was apparently wrong about the source of Buffy's powers in #32, but if that were the case, Giles would have interrupted. Instead, her words are meant to narrate the craziness. And according to Willow: "Angel's the piece we were missing. Sure, Buffy shared her power, but when it comes to her place in the Slayer history books-- I'm pretty sure that not the only thing she was the first to do". She further explains that "It's all part of it. What's been, what's to come--or might not come... Think of Buffy's truest loves. Vampires-- humans infected by demons. Just like Slayers. Buffy's meant to make that connection". And Giles agrees. That's the grand plan. When a Slayer AND vampire ascends, they bring about Twilight. But if Buffy is the first Slayer to make that connection, and the Council thought that a Slayer was going to bring about the apocalypse back in the 17th century, then I think it's pretty textual to argue that before this, the vampire aspect was never considered, as in that it would take both the Slayer AND the vampire to bring about Twilight. That's why Angel by himself couldn't do it. It had to be the two of them. Because Brad Meltzer came up with it and got Joss to agree with it… Yes, and Joss agreed to it. That this would be the expansion of the Slayer mythology. Your point being? It's not new for new elements to be added to the mythology. The very fact that two Slayers could exist at the same time is an example where things were added to the mythology. Or the Scythe. And how it was made for the Slayer. And the Guardians. They did it throughout Season 4 and 5, and various people commented on the marks. It makes zero sense for someone like Robin Wood to have never commented on the fact that it seems Buffy has two bite marks on her neck. Because there never was a point for Wood to point it out. If the story they wanted to tell required it, sure, the scar would have remained, and yes, Wood would have pointed it out. But he never did. Never on-screen, anyway. I don't expect Georges to keep drawing the scars unless it is pertinent. In the case of #34, there was a panel that was focused on her neck. With a close-up like that, it's necessary to show it. Especially since Angel was one of 3 vampires who ever bit Buffy. |
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Post by AndrewCrossett on May 14, 2010 11:17:08 GMT -5
Whatever happened to re-power the Slayers was the equivalent of the Scythe spell in "Chosen." That event seems to come with a significant "power surge" that boosts their healing ability temporarily.
Remember when the spell was cast in "Chosen," Buffy was able to recover almost instantly from what should have been a critical, if not fatal, wound. One minute she's run through with a sword, and minutes later she's sprinting across rooftops like Batman and jumping from a roof onto the top of a moving bus.
I think Faith's sudden healing surge is the same thing. Unfortunately, it seems to be only a one-shot deal... any Slayer who's injured during the power surge gets healed.
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Shane
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Post by Shane on May 17, 2010 9:39:49 GMT -5
Don't know if this has been posted elsewhere but SALES FIGURES FOR APRIL are up and Buffy is showing the usual small, steady decline in sales. So, I guess America is pretty much indifferent towards Buffy/Angel sex! Hm, interesting... |
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Post by AndrewCrossett on May 17, 2010 9:48:36 GMT -5
The monthly readership is down to the main core of readers who have been with season 8 since the beginning. Latecomers and casual readers are all getting the trades.
I predict sales will drop quite a bit further after the book takes the whole summer off.
Buffy is still outselling some of the Marvel and DC flagship titles, though, and it's back to being the #1 indie book this month. (Apart from that reissue of Walking Dead #1, but that was a one-dollar special.)
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Post by zamolxis on May 18, 2010 1:29:54 GMT -5
I predict sales will drop quite a bit further after the book takes the whole summer off. But, but, but, the last arc is written by Joss and I think there was a little increase in sales for his last issue. It's interesting that Buffy & Angel are No1 bestsellers for their publishing companies. |
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Post by Shane on May 18, 2010 10:21:49 GMT -5
Well, lower sales figures seem to be a trend across the board. More and more people resorting to *ahem* other means, perhaps?
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Post by AndrewCrossett on May 18, 2010 10:32:02 GMT -5
Well, lower sales figures seem to be a trend across the board. More and more people resorting to *ahem* other means, perhaps? Buffy season 8 is unlike most other comics in that it's an ongoing single story from issue 1 to 40. At this point, new readers can't hop on to the monthly comic without being completely lost. So any new readers are buying the trade paperbacks instead of the comics, so they can read the story from the beginning. A lot of the less dedicated readers are just going to lose interest, or forget about the series, over such a long break. |
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Post by wenxina on May 18, 2010 10:46:20 GMT -5
I think what Shane is getting at is that people are resorting to illegal downloads. And that's more than likely true.
There are people who have decided that unless they like the story again, they won't be paying for it. There are people who don't have easy access to a store to purchase the item, and refuse to pay S/H charges from online purchases, and have discovered that they can more than easily download copies of the net.
Illegal, yes, but when has that really stopped anyone?
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Post by AndrewCrossett on May 18, 2010 11:35:00 GMT -5
Just saying that Buffy has other very likely reasons for steadily declining sales, due to its structure.
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Post by wenxina on May 18, 2010 11:58:00 GMT -5
Gotcha. May I say that I'm kinda happy that they're rethinking the narrative structure of S9, to adapt it better to the comic book format?  |
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Post by alex_krycek on May 18, 2010 13:42:36 GMT -5
Gotcha. May I say that I'm kinda happy that they're rethinking the narrative structure of S9, to adapt it better to the comic book format? how do you mean, exactly? are you talking about how they'll use a characters diologue to transition to another panel in a different setting? |
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Post by Shane on May 18, 2010 13:51:51 GMT -5
^ They are? Cool! And yeah, illegal downloads is what I meant. With 80-odd titles I don't think another DC Implosion is likely but Marvel may not be so lucky.
And if sales are really down for the reasons AndrewCrossett says then Joss may be pressured into changing the format for Buffy, considering its importance to DH. Unless DH starts offering digital comics, Buffy may have to switch from maxiseries to miniseries or to an ongoing with sporadic miniseries. 'Cause illegal downloads are less likely if they can keep people engaged. Buffy does well in TPB sales but I wonder how many people will be willing to wait for them to become available, especially with such long arcs and possible delays and breaks.
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Post by wenxina on May 18, 2010 14:01:54 GMT -5
Gotcha. May I say that I'm kinda happy that they're rethinking the narrative structure of S9, to adapt it better to the comic book format? how do you mean, exactly? are you talking about how they'll use a characters diologue to transition to another panel in a different setting? No exact details yet, but from what it sounds like, we'll get shorter more self-contained arcs that will eventually build into a larger story. So, really, not too much different from what we're getting now, except that there won't be a mystery that spans multiple arcs, like the Twilight deal. I think the bottom line is, readers won't be left wanting for as long as they have been in the course of S8. |
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Post by alex_krycek on May 18, 2010 15:34:36 GMT -5
^ ah, now i gothcha. that sounds a lot better than so many loose threads to be wrapped up in one arc (and apparently leaving more for the next season).
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Post by rogue11 on Nov 1, 2010 11:20:35 GMT -5
I was so arosed by the sex scene images in this. Like i wanted to Buffy in those scense so badly.
Doing it in outer space for goodness sake lol
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