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Post by afterthebattle on Aug 4, 2010 14:20:08 GMT -5
I do believe that Angel loved Cordelia and Buffy loved Spike in a different way than Angel loved Buffy and vice versa. With that being said...I think people are fooling themselves when they say Buffy loved Spike more than Angel or Angel loved Cordelia more Buffy. I'm both a Spuffy and Cangel fan - and I have to say I agree with you. But I have to add: Buffy may love Angel more - but she's happier with Spike (season 7), and Angel may love Buffy more - but he's happier with Cordelia. And that's why I ship them^^ |
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Post by Beaumonde on Aug 4, 2010 15:34:09 GMT -5
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Post by Skytteflickan88 on Aug 4, 2010 16:10:58 GMT -5
Joss' idea of bringing back Tara in season seven by Buffy's wish is ridiculous. It would go against everything that Tara's death meant and I hope to god he was joking was he said that's what he wanted to do. Not sure if that's a unpopular opinion. It does seem way too fairytale-ending-like to fit on a Joss show. I would have been sitting through the entire episode going "Buffy, DO NOT make Angel human, he would just change himself back again. Also, Tara wouldn't like you disturbing the natural order. DON'T do it" while feeling quilty and horrible that I was rooting for Tara to stay dead. |
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Post by henzINNIT on Aug 4, 2010 16:46:18 GMT -5
Bringing Tara back in Season 7 is just as ridiculous an idea as killing her off in Season 6. She was introduced as a whimpering victim because Willow had outgrown it, and was dispensed as an excuse to make Willow a quipping supervillain.
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Post by AngelFaith on Aug 4, 2010 21:16:48 GMT -5
Aww, I actually loved the idea of bringing Tara back. I wish so bad they had gone with the storyline, when I first heard about it, I was like "What? That would have been amazing!".
Might have something to do with my deep-rooted hatred for Kennedy. Or just the fact that I love, love, love Willow/Tara and wanted them to just be together forever.
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Post by Eric on Aug 5, 2010 1:37:45 GMT -5
Bringing Tara back in Season 7 is just as ridiculous an idea as killing her off in Season 6. She was introduced as a whimpering victim because Willow had outgrown it, and was dispensed as an excuse to make Willow a quipping supervillain. I disagree. The main villain of season six (according to Joss) was life. Death is a part of life, arguably the worst part, so I think it made sense for the scoobies to have to deal with a sudden, unexpected death by the hands of another human that season. |
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Post by Skytteflickan88 on Aug 5, 2010 9:20:54 GMT -5
I don't like Clem. Sure, he's sweet and funny, kind of like a puppy, but I don't like him simply because he's hanging around bad guys (Spike, Harmony, probably other evil demons).
Also, I can't respect someone who hangs out with people who has tried to kill them (Harmony in the e-comic). Just seems sad.
I'm kind of annoyed that he bothers me. Other characters, aweful characters, I feel indifferent to, but not Clem, who's not even semi-evil. Could be because I want to like him, but don't because of the reasons I just mentioned.
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Post by outofphase on Aug 6, 2010 3:27:48 GMT -5
I think Willow & Oz were better than Willow & Tara.
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Post by Astray on Aug 6, 2010 3:55:50 GMT -5
^  Willow, Xander and Doyle are overrated. The Predators and Prey story line in Season Eight was pretty good. Joss' idea of bringing back Tara in season seven by Buffy's wish is ridiculous. It would go against everything that Tara's death meant and I hope to god he was joking was he said that's what he wanted to do. Everyone kicking Buffy out of the house in season seven was BS. Pure, utter BS. Giles encourages Buffy to train the girls and create an army, but the moment she makes a decision they don't like, they kick her out? BS. I'm just going to ignore that Doyle comment..  I agree Predators and Prey was awesome. Buffy getting kicked out of her own house didn't make sense to me, and Tara shouldn't have been brought back in S7. I think Tara could be brought back in S9 though. I feel like I've said this before, but I think enough time has passed now that she could be brought back into a love triangle with Willow and Kennedy (or a lovesquare if you include that snake lady?). I don't think I have any real reason to dislike Kennedy, but Willow and Tara are just meant to be.  |
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Post by henzINNIT on Aug 6, 2010 5:08:33 GMT -5
Bringing Tara back in Season 7 is just as ridiculous an idea as killing her off in Season 6. She was introduced as a whimpering victim because Willow had outgrown it, and was dispensed as an excuse to make Willow a quipping supervillain. I disagree. The main villain of season six (according to Joss) was life. Death is a part of life, arguably the worst part, so I think it made sense for the scoobies to have to deal with a sudden, unexpected death by the hands of another human that season. I see the logic there, but dealing with a very real death was already handled with Joyce the year before. It was much more effectively done then as well. |
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Post by Skytteflickan88 on Aug 6, 2010 9:30:32 GMT -5
While I think Tara had potential as a character that could have been explored for atleast another season, I don't think that killing Tara was "something the show had done before", because they way the characters dealt with her death (specifically Willow) was so different from the calm acceptance we saw in The Body. It was interesting to see Willow's the rage and grief and finally acceptance. In a way it was the perfect ending to the season, a part of the message:
"Life suck. You live, you struggle, you get dragged down in the dirt, you lose loved ones, get dragged down in the dirt some more and then you learn how to survive".
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Post by dusk3333 on Aug 6, 2010 12:26:39 GMT -5
I actually like Kennedy
(prepares to dodge the many things that will probably come flying her way)
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Post by Skytteflickan88 on Aug 6, 2010 14:13:59 GMT -5
Well, I don't hate Kennedy either. Anymore. Now I feel sorry for her, simply because so many fans want her dead. And because Willow might be cheating on her.
I think I mainly hated that she replaced Tara, and because I thought it was too soon. But re-watching the season now, I think The Killer In Me, deals with the Willow-dating-someone-new-so-soon issue pretty well, since we see that Willow is clearly not over Tara.
I guess I also saw Kennedy mainly as a rebound girl, someone Willow needed at the time, but was going to grow apart from later, and I think that made me angry as well (not sure why, since I still wanted Willow to only love Tara). But here we are, atleast two years later, and Willow & Kennedy are still dating. I think that implies that Willow moving on so fast wasn't because she didn't love Tara, but because she felt so strongly about Kennedy. Atleast that's the theory I like.
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Post by Just Willow on Aug 7, 2010 12:41:26 GMT -5
I actually like Kennedy (prepares to dodge the many things that will probably come flying her way) *throws brick*  it's nothing personal, I just ahve a forever grudge against Kennedy. |
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Post by Skytteflickan88 on Aug 8, 2010 6:19:09 GMT -5
I like The Pack, Bad Eggs, Beer Bad, Reptile Boy and I think a few other often called lesser Buffy episodes, but I don't often watch Once More With Feeling, Hush, Restless and Chosen.
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Post by Eric on Aug 8, 2010 7:14:12 GMT -5
I like The Pack, Bad Eggs, Beer Bad, Reptile Boy and I think a few other often called lesser Buffy episodes, but I don't often watch Once More With Feeling, Hush, Restless and Chosen. I agree that The Pack and Bad Eggs are underrated, but what's not to love about OMWF? |
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Post by Skytteflickan88 on Aug 8, 2010 7:40:30 GMT -5
I like The Pack, Bad Eggs, Beer Bad, Reptile Boy and I think a few other often called lesser Buffy episodes, but I don't often watch Once More With Feeling, Hush, Restless and Chosen. I agree that The Pack and Bad Eggs are underrated, but what's not to love about OMWF? Tara being violated by Willow and Spike & Buffy abusing each other ruined the season for me, and both "relationships" are big themes in OMWF(Warren also made the entire season 6 icky, but thank God he's not in OMWF). Okay, in OMWF Spike & Buffy hadn't started trully hurting each other yet, but everytime I see them kiss, the bathroom scene flashes before my eyes, like with most Spuffy-scenes in that season, and through out the entire episode, I think "Tara's hurt. Tara's going to die. Buffy will almost get raped." Funny enough I can see Spike & Buffy interact in scenes from season 2,3,4,5 & 7 without being as bothered. I guess it's simply because it's other seasons. |
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Post by Scarygothgirl on Aug 8, 2010 15:56:52 GMT -5
I really like Warren.
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Post by Astray on Aug 8, 2010 16:18:12 GMT -5
As much as I hate Warren, I think him as well as the rest of the nerd trio were amazing characters. I think using nerdy sci-fi obsessed guys as the season's villains was incredibly smart because it allowed equally nerdy viewers to connect more with the show. I also liked the how seemingly harmless they were and how quickly it spiraled out of control, I think there was something very realistic about that. Also, out of all the big bads I think Warren was the most evil. It sort of goes back to "Lie to Me" where Buffy realizes humans can be more inhumane than any demon. |
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Post by Scarygothgirl on Aug 8, 2010 16:43:48 GMT -5
I loved the trio, I loved how they wanted to be evil but in a way that didn't get anyone hurt (kinda like dr Horrible, where he wants to be a villain but he still seems to be good). But then I like how Warren gradually becomes the evil character he wanted to be when they planned to take over sunnydale, and the other two are at a loss of what to do and blindly follow him out of loyalty. Warren is one of those characters where it's creepy because you can understand how he transitioned from normal person to murderer, making you wonder how possible it would be for the same thing to happen in your own life.
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