Scarygothgirl
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Post by Scarygothgirl on Oct 27, 2010 16:56:30 GMT -5
It's interesting how much rape is hinted at... I had not noticed most of them. I'm not sure I can think of seven attempts. There's Spike, Xander, Dracula, Pirate-Larry... I can't think of any others right now. Though I'm willing to bet if she hadn't beaten Kralik he would have raped her before siring her.
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Post by Skytteflickan88 on Oct 27, 2010 18:17:19 GMT -5
Joxerlives list: The Pack by possessed Xander The Swimteam and human Cam in Go Fish Pirate Larry in Halloween Spike in Seeing Red The Shadowmen's demon in Get It Done And then the Dracula thing. I don't really count the shadowmen dust, since it wasn't really a sexual violation. And that's just with Buffy. There's Angel (probably) being raped by Darla (she's naked, he's in his drugged sleep, and she's slithering down his body) and Angelus in Destiny. Tara might have felt sexually filthy after finding out the woman she's been making love to have been violating her mind. I think a few more occasions have been recalled in this tread. |
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Post by tkts on Oct 27, 2010 19:58:14 GMT -5
Poor Buffy. Two attempted rapes? Well, this is Buffy we're talking about. She's had people and/or demons try to kill her on a weekly basis ever since she was 15, so it probably doesn't affect her the way it would affect most people. |
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Post by joxerlives on Oct 28, 2010 6:28:48 GMT -5
Joxerlives list: The Pack by possessed Xander The Swimteam and human Cam in Go Fish Pirate Larry in Halloween Spike in Seeing Red The Shadowmen's demon in Get It Done And then the Dracula thing. I don't really count the shadowmen dust, since it wasn't really a sexual violation. And that's just with Buffy. There's Angel (probably) being raped by Darla (she's naked, he's in his drugged sleep, and she's slithering down his body) and Angelus in Destiny. Tara might have felt sexually filthy after finding out the woman she's been making love to have been violating her mind. I think a few more occasions have been recalled in this tread. Possibly add The Master to the list, he gropes Buffy and they both seem to experience 'The Pleasure Moment' from him penetrating her body with his fangs (as she and Kate Lochley also experience later with Angel and possibly Dracula). I do count the Shadowmen's dust as sex, Buffy even speaks of being 'knocked up' by it. You can see it penetrate down her throat and up the front and back of her skirt (HIM aside the only time she wore one all season) and she bucks, gasps, moans, shakes, screams and strains against her chains like a pornstar faking it. I'm trying to think of a nicer euphanism than 'gangbanged' but frankly I'm coming up blank (sorry mods) Also count Will and mind altered Tara in OMWF, Faith-as-Buffy having sex with Riley, poor Fred orally penetrated by both the Schlucks and Illyria and CC being knocked up by three different demons. Angel also seems to force himself upon Darla and Kate although both succumb after some initial resistance. I was toying with the idea of a 'Rape in the Buffyverse' thread, maybe we should try it? |
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Post by Skytteflickan88 on Oct 28, 2010 8:38:37 GMT -5
I think we had this conversation before, but I still only see Buffy struggling in panic in the "demon dust knock up" scene. Of course, that probably describes lots of porn scenes...
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Post by joxerlives on Oct 28, 2010 11:23:52 GMT -5
I think we had this conversation before, but I still only see Buffy struggling in panic in the "demon dust knock up" scene. Of course, that probably describes lots of porn scenes... Open to interpretation, maybe the Buffybot was kneeling down to paint Spike's toes before Xander walks into his crypt?  Actually we know he paints his nails so maybe that's not so far fetched?  |
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Post by Miss. Rogueh on Oct 28, 2010 11:45:05 GMT -5
When the show was on Rape was a very big deal (not that it isn't now) but it was in the news all the time... at least 1 out of ever 3 women i went to school with "claimed" they were raped (i don't know if they were saying for attention or because they actauly did get raped) it was a very hot button issue. Buffy helped teach women that they can fight back, with proper self defence training... or a big can of mace (perfume for those who live in places mace is illegal)
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Post by Skytteflickan88 on Oct 28, 2010 13:01:46 GMT -5
^^ It is scary how many that get raped. I think I was close once, have a former pen pal who got raped, a niece who was in a abusive relationship, a foster kid cousin who claimed she was molested by my uncle (I believe her), two Buffy fans I've meet in real life who got raped, and my crazy aunt claimed she got raped (she imagines things all the time though, so who knows?).
That's not counting the time in the c-box when the topic of rape cam up and people started to confess that they or someone they knew have gotten raped.
Then there's of course the common opinion that if a girl chooses to drink until she passed out, it's not rape if you do her...
It's a wonderful world... Some to think of it, replce the demons with molested teen age boys and and we have a reality show, not a fantasy show.
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Post by Miss. Rogueh on Oct 28, 2010 13:06:56 GMT -5
^^ Then there's of course the common opinion that if a girl chooses to drink until she passed out, it's not rape if you do her... I hate that opinion, I mean yes the girl shouldn't have drank so much, but if she doesn't consent... its rape... There is a presidence in the united states that if you are unconsious or asleep your husband can *wink wink* and it isn't rape... I don't like this idea... |
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Post by Skytteflickan88 on Oct 28, 2010 13:44:08 GMT -5
^^ That reminds me of my little sister friend. She woke up, her boyfriend was having sex with her, and - I don't know many details - they broke up. I guess he might not have been sorry about her feeling violated. She later complains to a therapist/counseller who says "Why are you complaining? If my husband did that, I wouldn't mind". The bitch didn't care about how my sister friend's felt, just about how she would have experienced it herself. And sure, some might not mind. And some really really do.
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Post by joxerlives on Oct 28, 2010 13:52:47 GMT -5
When the show was on Rape was a very big deal (not that it isn't now) but it was in the news all the time... at least 1 out of ever 3 women i went to school with "claimed" they were raped (i don't know if they were saying for attention or because they actauly did get raped) it was a very hot button issue. Buffy helped teach women that they can fight back, with proper self defence training... or a big can of mace (perfume for those who live in places mace is illegal) I think it will ALWAYS be an issue and ALWAYS in the papers! I also think you'll always get false accusations but that shouldn't detract from the genuine ones. As for the drinking issue as the law stands if the person (not just women) consents to sex whilst drunk/knowlingly drugged which they wouldn't do whilst sober that's not rape, drunken/knowingly drugged consent is still consent. If the person is unconscious or has imbibed something unknowingly then it is rape because their choice has been taken away. I think I will do that thread, it seems to be something people need to talk about |
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Post by Skytteflickan88 on Oct 28, 2010 14:02:33 GMT -5
^^ I wish we had really good lie detectors, because it does sound so very simple on paper, but in reality, it's not like the chick who wakes up in a ally the next morning not remembering anything will have anything on the guy who can lie and say "She took the drugs willingly".
Of course, if a girl is so drunk she can't remember her name, I am very willing to see the guy who takes advantage of someone in that state have his balls bitten of by a angry cat. Unless that guy is just as drunk himself. Can't really blame two hald brain dead people for their actions.
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Scarygothgirl
Ensouled Vampire
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Post by Scarygothgirl on Oct 28, 2010 14:04:28 GMT -5
People joke about rape alot. I used to, until I read the autobiography of a woman who was raped. People misunderstand how serious it is. I think it's good that Buffy can tackle some very serious issues whilst entertaining us. It really is a show that covers everything.
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Post by joxerlives on Oct 29, 2010 10:35:36 GMT -5
^^ I wish we had really good lie detectors, because it does sound so very simple on paper, but in reality, it's not like the chick who wakes up in a ally the next morning not remembering anything will have anything on the guy who can lie and say "She took the drugs willingly". Of course, if a girl is so drunk she can't remember her name, I am very willing to see the guy who takes advantage of someone in that state have his balls bitten of by a angry cat. Unless that guy is just as drunk himself. Can't really blame two hald brain dead people for their actions. I'm not sure 'take advantage off' is the phrase to use, it casts the woman in the permanent role of victim? You must also remember how devestating a false allegation can be, on the accused and their family. Famous case in the UK where a woman accused a famous sportsman of rape and when asked why she didn't report it immediately she replied that she didn't consider it rape at the time but afterwards realised it was  Plenty of shades of grey. I sometimes think an infallible lie detector would be a great thing and I sometimes think it would create a Dollhouse style apocalypse. |
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Post by Skytteflickan88 on Oct 29, 2010 13:20:50 GMT -5
Why would I have to think of false allegations? I was talking about men who sleep with women so drunk they can hardly walk. I think that's wrong, since tehy don't know if the woman would feel crappy about it on the morning or not.Not saying it's rape, I'm saying it's wrong. What does that have to do with false allegations (which I think is ruinning it for the people who actually get raped)?
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Post by midwesternwatcher on Oct 29, 2010 19:29:13 GMT -5
I'll have to go back and rewatch that "demon dust" scene. The way I remember it, Buffy didn't like what was going on, but she wasn't in a panic. She seemed to be in control all the way, she knew she could get out of the situation if she needed to and the Shadowmen couldn't do anything to do without her consent. She listened to their proposal, more power, and chose against it. If she says "no" and it sticks, that means she can say "no." No?
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Post by Skytteflickan88 on Oct 30, 2010 8:45:20 GMT -5
It's not like they were asking for permission, they tried to overpower her and failed. Not really a offer. It's been a while since I watched that scene though, but from what I recall, they weren't really caring about what she wanted.
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Post by joxerlives on Oct 30, 2010 14:31:05 GMT -5
Why would I have to think of false allegations? I was talking about men who sleep with women so drunk they can hardly walk. I think that's wrong, since tehy don't know if the woman would feel crappy about it on the morning or not.Not saying it's rape, I'm saying it's wrong. What does that have to do with false allegations (which I think is ruinning it for the people who actually get raped)? it's not the walking they're interested in! I think there's a responsibility for both sides, to say that you would never do sober what you did drunk does not make it wrong for the other party to participate |
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Post by iigreenii on Oct 30, 2010 14:48:01 GMT -5
Why would I have to think of false allegations? I was talking about men who sleep with women so drunk they can hardly walk. I think that's wrong, since tehy don't know if the woman would feel crappy about it on the morning or not.Not saying it's rape, I'm saying it's wrong. What does that have to do with false allegations (which I think is ruinning it for the people who actually get raped)? it's not the walking they're interested in! I think there's a responsibility for both sides, to say that you would never do sober what you did drunk does not make it wrong for the other party to participate  Okay... you sorta lost me on the last statement. Can you elaborate on what you meant? EDIT: Nevermind. No need to elaborate. I get what you meant. Don't agree but I get it. |
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Post by Skytteflickan88 on Oct 30, 2010 15:05:07 GMT -5
Why would I have to think of false allegations? I was talking about men who sleep with women so drunk they can hardly walk. I think that's wrong, since tehy don't know if the woman would feel crappy about it on the morning or not.Not saying it's rape, I'm saying it's wrong. What does that have to do with false allegations (which I think is ruinning it for the people who actually get raped)? it's not the walking they're interested in! I think there's a responsibility for both sides, to say that you would never do sober what you did drunk does not make it wrong for the other party to participate What? I never said it was the walking they were interested in. I gave the "not being able to walk" as a example of the level of drunkness. And I disagree, it could be very very wrong, and the responsibility could be more on the soberer person than the drunk one. Let me paint you a scenario. If a girl mom dies, she goes out, get drunk, doesn't think about the consequences, because her world is falling apart, and she wakes up in a alley, feeling used and violated. I'm not saying that the person who has sex with her is a rapist, I'm saying that maybe they should have thought ahead, and in some cases, acted like rapists. There's always exceptions, but as a general rule, if a person sees another person who is too drunk and decides to have sex with them anyway, they're the devil. Too be honest, if I heard that someone I know slept with a woman/man who was so drunk he couldn't walk or talk, I would feel inclined to push that person of a edge. There's so many people out there, that are broken shells, addicted to drugs, addicted to hurting themselves, being in a hell of pain and who can't stop themselves from drinking the pain away. I think it's more important to keep it in your pants than to go out there and risk hurting a person like that. I'm not saying you should say no to a girl who had a few and is giggling more than she should, I'm saying, if she can't remember her name or how to say words, or walk, get her a cab and find someone who's more likely not to hate you and herself in the morning. |
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