Lukee
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Post by Lukee on Aug 18, 2008 16:28:09 GMT -5
I think that maybe shes not evil. Maybe shes brought Buffy to this time to stop somthing from happening in Buffys time. im clutching at straws!
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ded1
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Post by ded1 on Aug 18, 2008 19:16:08 GMT -5
Just got my issue today
Wasn't surprised that Willow was the mystery character.I was leaning toward Dru,but couldn't really figure out how she would fit in the story.
Xander and Dawn were good in this issue.
Some have argued about Willow's presence in the future and what it means for Buffy.I feel that this arc will be the catalyst to break Willow(present day) and Buffy apart.
I don't think that we will see "dark" Buffy,but it seems to me that her moral slide will be detrimental to her slayer army in the long run.(I'm still leaning toward Buffy having to go against the other slayers)
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Post by faithswatcher on Aug 18, 2008 19:45:43 GMT -5
Not to break your straws. but *spoilers* the write up for issue 18 says "a villain who has survived over 200 years to take down the two slayers"
Unless! now im clutching, the villain IS drusilla. And Willow lived for 200 years just to help fray and Buffy fight dru/harth. Yeah...stupid. But would be funny is Joss threw in Dru in the next issue. No1 would see it coming....except me.
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effy
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Post by effy on Aug 19, 2008 4:35:24 GMT -5
it's most defos not Dru. It says on wikipedia and other sites that "Dark Willow steps out of the shadows and answers "Time. Only Time""
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Post by Skytteflickan88 on Aug 19, 2008 6:52:22 GMT -5
Also, Scott mentions it in Slay the critics.
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Post by Tyler Austin "tiewashere" on Aug 19, 2008 17:33:27 GMT -5
Also, Scott mentions it in Slay the critics. Is this whole argument even necessary? Read what the people that made the comic have said to get proof. They usually write about the ending in the Slay the Critics section and stuff anyway.
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Post by faithswatcher on Aug 19, 2008 20:44:57 GMT -5
Okay. In Fray, were/Fray is told that all the magic was banished from the world. Were now in Frays time, and its pretty obvious not ALL the magic was banished.
What if it was a prophecy, NOT history. And the reason that the magic hasnt been fully banished, is because this event hasnt happened yet? The woman/"slayer" that dissapears into the portal that was shown in Fray, could be Willow, or could simply be Buffy returning to "present" time.
Although this would close Frays story and probably hault any chance of some more Fray comic in the future, this to me would wrap up the continuity issue fairly well for me. What ya think?
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Post by Tyler Austin "tiewashere" on Aug 21, 2008 13:56:40 GMT -5
The woman/"slayer" that dissapears into the portal that was shown in Fray, could be Willow, or could simply be Buffy returning to "present" time. That's actually really interesting! I didn't think of that! But didn't Fray say to Buffy that all magic was banished? Or just that she was the only slayer in the future? Not really sure. I want to hear other people's thoughts on this topic! But the main question is that if Joss wrote Fray a few years ago, did he really plan it that well? I mean, he didn't even know there was going to be a season eight.
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Post by Skytteflickan88 on Aug 21, 2008 14:11:34 GMT -5
What if it was a prophecy, NOT history. And the reason that the magic hasnt been fully banished, is because this event hasnt happened yet? The woman/"slayer" that dissapears into the portal that was shown in Fray, could be Willow, or could simply be Buffy returning to "present" time. ? Perhaps all the magic was banner but later returned. i myself have a hard time to believe that ALL magic or demons could be banned, sine it seems to exist in every thing and being in the buffyverse. Anyway, I have a even harder time to believe that the vision of the girl disappearing was nothing more than how either Urknonn or Fray imagined that the banning happened. How could it be Buffy returning home, or Willow? i doubt that Fray all of a sudden had a slayer-vision of what was to come or something olike that, it's too far-fetched. but it's an interesting theory.
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Post by faithswatcher on Aug 21, 2008 15:14:19 GMT -5
It wasnt a vision. Big monster dude was simply telling Fray how it happened/s. What WE saw, was simply for us. Seeing the description of what BMD was saying.
Yeah, but Fray was simply telling Buffy what BMD has told her. and BMD turned out to be a bad guy. Whos to say he was telling the whole truth?
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Post by Skytteflickan88 on Aug 21, 2008 15:17:31 GMT -5
You don't know that for sure, it could have been a vision. Never say never.
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Post by faithswatcher on Aug 21, 2008 17:02:19 GMT -5
Fray never got visions. They were given to Harth. Although its fair to say its your opinion, i think its obvious that when it shows the "magic banished" bit, its only an image of what BMD is describing.
It could get kinda muddled, but with the whole time issues coming into play in TOYL, who's to say when this banishing happens, i know its unlikely, but just hypothetically, BMD wasnt actually there when the banishing happened. So they likely got the story from the watchers diary's, for all we know, Buffy could go back to present time, and write that into the diary herself.
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ded1
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Post by ded1 on Aug 21, 2008 18:39:24 GMT -5
In the preview,Buffy read through the books and found no mention of all the slayers that she called. what if Buffy just has to repair the slayer line(using the sythe to return to one slayer).Another slayer could still be responsible for the banishing.
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Post by Tyler Austin "tiewashere" on Aug 24, 2008 10:49:57 GMT -5
I hear everyone saying "why did Willow go evil?" or "what made her go evil?" but I think the more important question is: IS she evil? I mean, Dark Willow in season six wasn't "evil". She just went....well, just went dark. Almost like anger. Evil is not what I would label her as. So, is Willow evil or is she just dark? Seeing her evil would definitely change the whole Dark Willow thing around.
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Post by Skytteflickan88 on Aug 24, 2008 10:56:52 GMT -5
Fray never got visions. They were given to Harth. Oh... Forgot about that. Then the image being a slayer-vision is really far-fetched.
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Post by Skytteflickan88 on Aug 24, 2008 11:00:24 GMT -5
I hear everyone saying "why did Willow go evil?" or "what made her go evil?" but I think the more important question is: IS she evil? I mean, Dark Willow in season six wasn't "evil". She just went....well, just went dark. Almost like anger. Evil is not what I would label her as. So, is Willow evil or is she just dark? Seeing her evil would definitely change the whole Dark Willow thing around. Don't really get your point. Evil is a very general word. If you do bad things, it doesn't always matter why. Evil is as evil does. A generalsation, but still. It's easier to say; Why is Willow evil?than Why is Willow possessed/confused/angry etcetc?
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Post by faithswatcher on Aug 24, 2008 16:08:23 GMT -5
I cant speak for everyone else, but i know i see Willow as evil because she wants to kill Buffy/Fray (the description for issue 4 of TOYL)
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Post by hitnrun017 on Aug 24, 2008 16:15:53 GMT -5
I think it's pretty obvious Willow is bad. While she seems different from how she acted in Season 6, she has teamed up with vampires who are abducting humans for some unknown reason and thinks Harth's plan is brilliant. That's pretty bad.
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Post by Emmie on Aug 24, 2008 22:18:05 GMT -5
I think it's pretty obvious Willow is bad. While she seems different from how she acted in Season 6, she has teamed up with vampires who are abducting humans for some unknown reason and thinks Harth's plan is brilliant. That's pretty bad. Agreed. Even if she's doing evil deeds for the greater good...it's still evil. The 'ends justifies the means' is not a motto a hero would ascribe to. Her thinking that Harth's plans are brilliant means she is a twisted sister. The end.
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alycat7
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Post by alycat7 on Aug 26, 2008 18:41:19 GMT -5
I just got the issue so im kinda confused as to how there are two Willows? Buffy is in the future, not an alternate reality or a different dimension, so how can two of the same person exist?
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