patxshand
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Post by patxshand on Mar 4, 2008 20:49:45 GMT -5
Didn't Joss himself say that the scariest bad guys are the ones that truly believe they are in the right...or something like that. I think it is on the Serenity commentary when he is talking about the Operative. Another example of someone who thought he was working for the Greater Good is Grindewald in the Harry Potter series and he turned out to be one of the greatest Dark Wizards of all time...because he would resort to any measure, even dark magic to achieve his goals. Bam and bam! Two great, great points. Kudos.
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Post by Jinxieman on Mar 4, 2008 21:18:43 GMT -5
(of course, the world of HP is fictional). What!!! !!! Bam and bam! Two great, great points. Kudos. Thanks
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Slayer489
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Post by Slayer489 on Mar 5, 2008 12:21:46 GMT -5
I think that this season is and will keep continuing the theme of whos on what side and what evil can be.
And you're right Vampire Dust Slayer, I didn't think of what Buffy did when she made all of the slayers. There could be TONS of different perspectives on what is right and wrong in the Buffyverse. I think this needs its own thread lol.
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Post by Rebecca on Mar 5, 2008 14:30:56 GMT -5
Of course he has an agenda. But he's willing to do whatever it takes (killing Buffy) to do it. He wasn't just fooling around with her, he was trying to kill her. Unless he's under some kind of magical trance, I'd say he's evil. I don't think that Joss would make the major big bad of this season NOT be a big "bad". But we shall see! Maybe he'll end up having tea with the gang... :-P lol If Twilight killed one of Buffy's friends...would that make him evil to you? Don't make Joss do it, you know he will! Hahaha Prediction: Twilight will kill Satsu.
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faith0tvs
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Post by faith0tvs on Mar 5, 2008 14:49:15 GMT -5
I think that Twilight is working for someone , it could possibly be that a council of some people wiht authority in their hands have employed him to take charge of the "details" . Remember what Willow said in Anywhere but Here when the demon showed them a vision of B and some of the Slayers , that this is what infuriated their enemies, the fear of loosing what they hold most valuable, their possesions, what if some of the most powerful men gathered and decided to end this madness, of course they employed some people like Twilight who knew the ways of magic in and out inorder to terminate the slayers and subsequently , magic
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patxshand
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Post by patxshand on Mar 5, 2008 15:40:57 GMT -5
Dark Horse advertised Twilight as the Big Bad of the entire season. If he was working for someone, that would be some biiiiiig False Advertising!
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faith0tvs
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Post by faith0tvs on Mar 5, 2008 15:48:28 GMT -5
Nope what if you find out in season 9 that there was someone behind him?That wouldn make him retain this role and yet be the mercenary for these guys.Besides there is no such thing as False or True Advertising all that matters is its success
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patxshand
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Post by patxshand on Mar 5, 2008 16:44:31 GMT -5
There's no way Joss would continue the same storyline between Seasons Eight and Nine. Season Eight is already lasting at least four years. Season Nine, if they do go through with it, will be a very, very different story. They wouldn't prolong it for any more than it already has stretched out for.
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Post by richieshag89 on Mar 5, 2008 18:12:08 GMT -5
any thoughts of Ethan Rayne being twilight?
i know he tried to help in the first arc i know we saw him dead
but are we sure we saw what we saw?
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Post by Jinxieman on Mar 5, 2008 19:39:05 GMT -5
any thoughts of Ethan Rayne being twilight? i know he tried to help in the first arc i know we saw him dead but are we sure we saw what we saw? That has been discussed and that is who I think it is...for now at least. I think it was discussed in the "a Beautiful Sunset" thread.
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littleshiva
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Post by littleshiva on Mar 5, 2008 23:08:15 GMT -5
LMAO!! Ghetto! Anyway I think that Twilight is pretty much evil. But in a pseudo self righteous way! He thinks he is right...kinda like our girl. And kinda like Riley...who still gets my vote for Twilight!
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Post by hunter233 on Mar 6, 2008 4:37:46 GMT -5
I know everyone keeps throwing out the "Oh, it's Xander" (or Future Xander) because "Wow what a twist" but would I be the only one that would feel completely alienated by this? Xander isn't my favourite character, but he's up there and is I'd say the one character in the verse that is sacred. His heart, courage and determination to the cause (and more importantly, to Buffy, Willow and Dawn) are all he has and his "normal guy" character is essential to the series. If Whedon turns him bad for a simple shock ending...I'm out. There have been turns in these stories over the years that have been heartbreaking and completely unpredicatable... But I've yet to be completely unconvinced by the writing of the characters. Maybe I didn't like what was happening but it was always very in line with who the characters were. Whedon has always stayed true to his characters, flaws yes, but true none the less. If Whedon decided to pull a twist like this (That goes for Twilight being Giles as well) simply to shock and awe as opposed to actually furthering this story...I don't know what would really be able to pull me back in. Is there anyone else who feels this way? I myself almost don't want Twilight's reveal to be some huge, thundering shock ending. I would much prefer if Twilight was simply an original villain...but sadly that's clearly not going to be the case. Yeah... I'm going back a bit. Shush =P Anyway, if this is what happens (and I'm not saying it is, or even that I root for it), then I really doubt that it being Xander or Giles would be just for shock value. Quite the opposite. If it were the case that someone came back from the future to stop Buffy from doing something truly terrible, then it would have to be one of those two or we'd never believe that Buffy had done something that led to a terrible conclusion. If Joe Shmo came back to stop her, we'd just assume he's an idiot and misinterpreted and/or lied. Giles or Xander would not only lend veracity to the claim, but also demonstrate how utterly horrific the outcome was to make them go to such great lengths to stop it. New topic. Something dawned on me as I was reading people talking about Buffy changing the future and thus rewriting/obliterating Fray's timeline. If this is somehow about Buffy trying to change the future, maybe that's why Buffy and Fray are fighting. Fray could be fighting her to defend her very existence. I mean, imagine how frightening it would be to face the possibility that you'd never have even existed. Much worse than death. I could ramble on on the topic of Twilight's evilness or lack thereof, but I'll refrain, cause there's a new topic for that. All I'm gonna say is that people keep claiming he's evil cause he does so many evil things, but truth is, we haven't really seen him do much. And we know even less of his motives/reasons, so saying things like "Giles did it to defend his loved ones and save the world" is pretty pointless, because for all we know Twilight is doing what he does for the same reasons.
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faith0tvs
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Post by faith0tvs on Mar 6, 2008 14:27:52 GMT -5
There's no way Joss would continue the same storyline between Seasons Eight and Nine. Season Eight is already lasting at least four years. Season Nine, if they do go through with it, will be a very, very different story. They wouldn't prolong it for any more than it already has stretched out for. If they have a plan to terminate magic then it must be very detailed one , a plan that would take a long time both to develop and execute so who says that they should stop trying once Twilight is out of the way?And who says that the storytelling would/could be the same?It would be really cool to see an alliance of several powerfull people determined to bring down the slayers .
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meghann
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Post by meghann on Mar 8, 2008 3:34:52 GMT -5
My giddiness is hard to contain!!!
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Lukee
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Post by Lukee on Mar 8, 2008 7:54:11 GMT -5
One individuals idea of what is "the Greater Good" doesn't always mean they are acting in the true best interest of everyone...even if they think they are. Didn't Joss himself say that the scariest bad guys are the ones that truly believe they are in the right...or something like that. I think it is on the Serenity commentary when he is talking about the Operative. Another example of someone who thought he was working for the Greater Good is Grindewald in the Harry Potter series and he turned out to be one of the greatest Dark Wizards of all time...because he would resort to any measure, even dark magic to achieve his goals. I think Twilight is evil...he may think he is working towards the greater good...like the Operative, but he is resorting to truly evil deeds to achieve his goals...thus making him evil. What Giles did does not compare as his murder of Ben was, in a sense, self defense and protection of those he loves. Giles was not killing Ben for anything other than protection of self, loved ones, and the world. It really was the only way for him to Kill Glory and lets face it, if Giles or anyone else had killed Glory in her female form nobody would be talking about the morality of killing Ben because we would see it as an unfortunate necessity. So then what gave Buffy the right to change the world. They could have found a way around making all the slayers slayers. In the end it was Spike who saved the world not the slayers. If Giles had killed her in women form that would be kinda odd seeing as Buffy couldn't do it but no we wouldst see it as wrong because shes evil. Ben wasnt... he was human and remember Buffs rules on humans. Well before season 8... If Twilight says he is doing this for the greater good i don't see how we can just yet say "Hey no he isn't he is evil" When all we have is nothing. We don't have really any prove of this. Yer he kicked Buffy's butt but that doesn't make him evil... And do we know for sure it was Twilight who pitted the slayer on slayer and watcher on warlock thing with Faith there was more then just Twilight in that room back in ABS. Could have been any of them. Plus theres always casualties in a war and thats what this it.
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Slayer489
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Post by Slayer489 on Mar 8, 2008 8:17:20 GMT -5
I still think Twilight = Mr Maclay. By the way, what is ABS?
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Lukee
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Post by Lukee on Mar 8, 2008 8:21:28 GMT -5
I still think Twilight = Mr Maclay. By the way, what is ABS? A Beautiful Sunset.
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Slayer489
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Post by Slayer489 on Mar 8, 2008 8:25:00 GMT -5
It won't be Tara's dad. Because he was absolutely against magic, he wouldn't even use it to get rid of it. Also, as far as I know, it was only the women in the family that had magical abilities. He could of changed over the years. And he could have wanted revenge for Tara's death. He seemed against magic, but when he didn't get what he wanted when Tara didn't go home with him in "Family" it seemed like he hated being beaten by anyone. So he didn't have the power anymore, which may of resorted to him getting that power through magic. I think a lot of the signs point to him. And thanks Vampire Dust Slayer.
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Post by Smashed on Mar 8, 2008 15:22:19 GMT -5
Just a thought - Do we know if all the issues are going to feature Fray? or maybe she time travels and meets other slayers....
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Lukee
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Post by Lukee on Mar 8, 2008 15:23:49 GMT -5
Just a thought - Do we know if all the issues are going to feature Fray? or maybe she time travels and meets other slayers.... well its Fray in the cover so i guess just Fray plus Frays the only other slayer after the final fight.
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