Lukee
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Post by Lukee on Mar 3, 2008 19:19:17 GMT -5
I'm not sure if it will be some one brand spanking new. He knows too much about her and her moves. I don't think Renee is that close from what we have seen. Or really any of the slayers seeing as Buffy is still pulling herself away from the world. Id say Stasu is the closest. I don't think it would be a kill joy if Xander ended up trying to stop Buffy. Plus i don't think it would make Xander evil if it was him trying to stop Buffy... what Twilight may be doing could very well be of the non evil kind. What hes doing could be for the greater good. He could be a good guy. Well kinda. Both Buffy and Twilight think what there doing is right, with Buffy it kinda is yes and from what we have seen of Twilight I'm kinda thinking he is partly right too.
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Post by balesthebloody on Mar 3, 2008 19:31:08 GMT -5
Twilight is, I think, someone that we know and maybe love. He knows way too much to be someone new.
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mandikaye
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Post by mandikaye on Mar 3, 2008 19:51:18 GMT -5
Plus i don't think it would make Xander evil if it was him trying to stop Buffy... what Twilight may be doing could very well be of the non evil kind. What hes doing could be for the greater good. He could be a good guy. Well kinda. Both Buffy and Twilight think what there doing is right, with Buffy it kinda is yes and from what we have seen of Twilight I'm kinda thinking he is partly right too. I'm with you on that one. I've posted before that I don't think Twilight is evil. We just think of him that way because he's Buffy's opponent. He's said before that he's trying to restore balance... of course he could be lying. That's not unheard of.
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Post by richieshag89 on Mar 3, 2008 20:15:18 GMT -5
what Twilight may be doing could very well be of the non evil kind. What hes doing could be for the greater good. He could be a good guy. Well kinda. Both Buffy and Twilight think what there doing is right, with Buffy it kinda is yes and from what we have seen of Twilight I'm kinda thinking he is partly right too. thats like what i think will happen once buffy and fray meet, they both good guys, they just dont really agree on whats right
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patxshand
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Post by patxshand on Mar 3, 2008 22:15:49 GMT -5
Plus i don't think it would make Xander evil if it was him trying to stop Buffy... what Twilight may be doing could very well be of the non evil kind. What hes doing could be for the greater good. He could be a good guy. Well kinda. Both Buffy and Twilight think what there doing is right, with Buffy it kinda is yes and from what we have seen of Twilight I'm kinda thinking he is partly right too. I'm with you on that one. I've posted before that I don't think Twilight is evil. We just think of him that way because he's Buffy's opponent. He's said before that he's trying to restore balance... of course he could be lying. That's not unheard of. Twilight, not evil? Have you read his dialogue? BTW, I love these smilies that we have! lol
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Lukee
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Post by Lukee on Mar 4, 2008 2:33:56 GMT -5
I'm with you on that one. I've posted before that I don't think Twilight is evil. We just think of him that way because he's Buffy's opponent. He's said before that he's trying to restore balance... of course he could be lying. That's not unheard of. Twilight, not evil? Have you read his dialogue? BTW, I love these smilies that we have! lol Yes iv read them and theres nothing really that shows he is EVIL. We have not seen him kill anyone or talk about ending the world and all that junk that goes with evil. All he has done is give Buffy a good kicking. And what dose that make him evil? He says what he is doing is fr the greater good and until i learn more about why it is I'm going to carry on thinking he isn't really evil.
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Post by Giant Michael on Mar 4, 2008 6:20:43 GMT -5
Um, Twlight is definitely evil. I don't think anything in these comics has been black and white. Whilst I don't think he's one of the Good Guys, I think Buffy herself has been tap dancing all over the, erm, dancefloor of morality... Kind of lost the thread with that metaphor. What I mean to say is, I think Twilight has an agenda, and a legitamate reason for that agenda. I don't think he's just killing all the Slayers for the LULz. MB x
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Post by patxshand on Mar 4, 2008 11:15:45 GMT -5
He purposely manipulated a situation so a Slayer would fight as Slayer and a Watched would fight a Warlock, knowing there would be death. He said, "Just like a girl." Joss wouldn't make a "good" character a sexist. He's evil. Dassit.
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Slayer489
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Post by Slayer489 on Mar 4, 2008 11:54:17 GMT -5
I can't decide if it would be better to have Twilight be a new character or not. Also, Twilight is evil, but just wants to banish magic because he thinks it's for the greater good. What makes him evil is the fact that it seems he'll do pretty much anything to get what he wants. I mean does he have the right to banish magic? It's the way the world works and who gave him the right to change that?
Just a thought.
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Post by aluminumcandy on Mar 4, 2008 12:18:27 GMT -5
I can't decide if it would be better to have Twilight be a new character or not. Also, Twilight is evil, but just wants to banish magic because he thinks it's for the greater good. What makes him evil is the fact that it seems he'll do pretty much anything to get what he wants. I mean does he have the right to banish magic? It's the way the world works and who gave him the right to change that? Just a thought. I agree with you on that one. I'm really curious exactly why he thinks magic needs to be banished. Maybe he knows about something bad that will happen in the future and banishing magic is the only way he thinks it can be stopped. Who knows
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Post by mandikaye on Mar 4, 2008 14:29:37 GMT -5
Also, Twilight is evil, but just wants to banish magic because he thinks it's for the greater good. What makes him evil is the fact that it seems he'll do pretty much anything to get what he wants. I mean does he have the right to banish magic? It's the way the world works and who gave him the right to change that? Just a thought. Would someone evil really do something for "the greater good"? Isn't that exactly the polar opposite of what someone who is evil would do? Of course this starts taking you into the more philosophical realm by asking the question "What is evil?"
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Post by richieshag89 on Mar 4, 2008 14:38:34 GMT -5
maybe twilight is George Bush
no- but twilight said in a beautiful sunset that he needed buffy to be stripped of her moral certainty, because she always believed she was on the right side. Has she been so far this season? she is against the government, she stole... alot. i dont know, twilight is gonna make buffy believe she herself is the big bad, but is he wrong... Buffy will always be my hero, but what good has she done so far this season besides protect herself?
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Post by Rowan Hawthorn on Mar 4, 2008 15:05:17 GMT -5
Being against the government doesn't necessarily put one on the wrong side, and while you cold argue that some of Buffy's actions adds up to believing that "The end justifies the means," I'd argue that much of what the government does in Real Life adds up to the same thing, as does Twilight's reasoning - assuming that he actually does believe he's doing the right thing instead of simply using that to sway his followers.
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Post by barryshaft on Mar 4, 2008 15:30:13 GMT -5
Is anyone really arguing that Twilight is good? He's clearly not "good". Twilight's agenda may indeed be for the greater good and with that he's clearly willing to do absolutely anything to get that. We've seen Big Bads with similar moral grayness to them, think about Jasmine, she wanted world peace but would do anything to acheive it. I think what people are getting at is that Twilight's intentions aren't "evil" nor is he necessarily all evil either. However, I think Twilight's plan to rid the world of magic is more personal then anything. He's such a powerful being maybe it's as simple as he wants to be the only one left with power.
Also, in my earlier rant, I said I wished Twilight could be an original character...but there's no way that he isn't someone we've met before. All the build up clearly lends itself to a reveal. At this point it couldn't be a new character.
I think Renee could easily be the informant, she knows all about what's going on at the castle and with the Slayers. Also, with Xander being the only confidant to Buffy Renee now has access to that. Though it's impossible that she's the "betrayer" hinted at in Anywhere But Here. I think it's likely there's an informant, of which we'll discover relatively soon, and the betrayer which is probably a ways off before we find out what's going on there.
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mandikaye
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Post by mandikaye on Mar 4, 2008 16:18:58 GMT -5
Thanks for articulating what I was trying to say more clearly than I could! I was just about to post that "not evil" doesn't mean "is good."
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Post by CowboyGuy on Mar 4, 2008 16:31:07 GMT -5
LMAO!! Ghetto! Anyway I think that Twilight is pretty much evil. But in a pseudo self righteous way! He thinks he is right...kinda like our girl.
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Post by Smashed on Mar 4, 2008 17:15:48 GMT -5
A thought: What if Renee isn't a slayer, but a warlock or witch that works for Twilight. They could do a glamour to look like Renee. Or Renee could be dead and her body possessed (think Meg, Supernatural season 1). Only because she HAS to be a demon if she's with Xander.
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Lukee
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Post by Lukee on Mar 4, 2008 17:36:13 GMT -5
If Twilight killed one of Buffy's friends...would that make him evil to you? Don't make Joss do it, you know he will! Hahaha If it was for the greater good why would that make him evil if he had to do that. Giles HAD to kill Ben who was human then. But we don't call him evil. Buffy had to kill Angel because it was for the greater good we didn't call her evil. Slayer489What gave Buffy the right to make all these slayers? She did it. I just dint think we can say he is EVIL right now. We don't know enough to say if he is or not. He says he is doing this for the greater good, i dint see why doing what he is doing wouldn't be for the greater good. From what its looking like thought we know Buffy isn't evil her actions so far are not pure good. Yes she needed to rob the bank for what she though was the greater good. Just like Twilight is doing. They both think what there doing is for the greater good maybe there both right.
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Post by Jinxieman on Mar 4, 2008 18:26:39 GMT -5
One individuals idea of what is "the Greater Good" doesn't always mean they are acting in the true best interest of everyone...even if they think they are.
Didn't Joss himself say that the scariest bad guys are the ones that truly believe they are in the right...or something like that. I think it is on the Serenity commentary when he is talking about the Operative.
Another example of someone who thought he was working for the Greater Good is Grindewald in the Harry Potter series and he turned out to be one of the greatest Dark Wizards of all time...because he would resort to any measure, even dark magic to achieve his goals.
I think Twilight is evil...he may think he is working towards the greater good...like the Operative, but he is resorting to truly evil deeds to achieve his goals...thus making him evil. What Giles did does not compare as his murder of Ben was, in a sense, self defense and protection of those he loves. Giles was not killing Ben for anything other than protection of self, loved ones, and the world. It really was the only way for him to Kill Glory and lets face it, if Giles or anyone else had killed Glory in her female form nobody would be talking about the morality of killing Ben because we would see it as an unfortunate necessity.
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Post by kwithanh on Mar 4, 2008 20:45:24 GMT -5
Would someone evil really do something for "the greater good"? Isn't that exactly the polar opposite of what someone who is evil would do? Of course this starts taking you into the more philosophical realm by asking the question "What is evil?" Hitler thought the holocaust was "for the greater good" also, wasn't Grindelwald's motto "for the greater good?" (I know there are some harry potter fans here) They both used that as an excuse to wreak havoc on their respective worlds (of course, the world of HP is fictional).
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