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Post by stakeout on Jun 21, 2008 12:41:56 GMT -5
Has anyone ever thought Twilight could be The Immortal?
I was watching Angel Season 5 last night and in The Girl In Question the CEO of the Italy branch of Wolfram and Hart said something like " The Immortal hates magic and thinks it is dirty, like gypsies"
This would make sense because one of Buffy's look-a-likes is publicly dating him. And in the episode all it talks about is how he is a one of the darkest evils and blah blah. He probably knows that they are playing him and is pissed off about it.
I kinda hope I'm wrong b/c I want it to be someone I never would have guessed.
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Post by MaLe◊SlAyEr on Jun 21, 2008 12:52:07 GMT -5
Actually, that makes a lot of sense and I don't think anyone's ever thought of that yet.
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Post by Joe on Jun 21, 2008 12:53:53 GMT -5
Wow, that's actually... that's who I think it is!!! I do! That is so cool. And Andrew could be "the man on the inside", because he's in italy too, and he made the whole decoy thing dating the immortal... That makes sense. I think now that The Immortal is Twilight, and Andrew is the double agent. Sweet.
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Post by Rachster on Jun 21, 2008 13:01:53 GMT -5
Nice theory, its alot better than some of the others i have heard lately and it actually makes sense he has motive and he fits the character we also know that he has alot of people who work for him or follow him its quite possible that he could have some slayers on his side even in the castle. This is defiantly one of my favorite ideas so far.
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Post by VampSlayer on Jun 21, 2008 13:09:11 GMT -5
Wow...good idea. Immortal could be be really pissed off when he finds out it is not really Buffy. lol I think this is a really good idea.
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Post by Whedon Fan on Jun 21, 2008 13:37:17 GMT -5
Um, no. Twilight wouldn't be stupid enough to date a Buffy look-a-like. Maybe he was dating her to gain her trust and get information about the slayers. I love the idea of the immortal being twilight. I had the idea of it being the first in corporeal form. Anyway did you all know that when season 8 was orignially being done it was going to be completley different. Basically everything we were told in angel season 5 was true. Buffy was dating the immortal, xander was in africa and dawn was going to school in rome. But then joss decided he didn't like the feel of it so he went back to the Buffy basic. Buffy= happy, not so good Buffy= alone, show better!!
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Post by Emmie on Jun 21, 2008 13:56:27 GMT -5
Of all the potential Twilight contenders, the Immortal makes the most sense from a characterization standpoint.
Parts of theory that fit:
- He has the connections and the ability to manipulate/lead people. - Is a very charismatic leader. - Hates magic. - Is connected to the slayers - Very powerful. We don't know how exactly, but every time Angel & Spike go against him they end up looking like idiots. - Exists in a morally grey area as "a centuries-old guy with a dark past who may or may not be evil" (according to Angel TGIQ)
Parts of the theory that don't fit:
- Twilight acts like he knows Buffy ("hate to see you cry") but the Immortal's only been dating a cover-Buffy. - The mask reveal fake-out suggests that we would recognize Twilight, but we've never seen the Immortal. - Twilight has seen the scythe move Buffy used on Caleb before, so how would the Immortal have seen it?
It'd be a nice turn-around if Buffy thought they were just using the Immortal for a cover, but he turns out to be vastly important. I can easily seen Andrew being turned by the Immortal in Rome and becoming the mole.
The other most popular theory for Twilight is Riley, who fits the areas that the Immortal doesn't. But the Immortal seems more likely to already be powerful enough to be Twilight. Riley would have to go through some serious magic hate-inducing trauma for him being Twilight to make sense. Where as the Immortal already seems to fit the characteristics and detachment that Twilight possesses.
Very interesting theory.
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Post by El Diablo Robotico on Jun 21, 2008 14:10:19 GMT -5
I sure hope that's not who it turns out to be. For one thing, he's a character we've never seen before, just heard referenced, so that would be a tremendous let-down after all the speculation of "Who's under the mask?" (Because, like Emmie said, the mask is the clue that tells us he's someone we already know; if that turns out to be nothing but a red herring, then shame on Joss.) For another, his whole purpose in TGiQ is as a comedic figure, there only to make Angel and Spike feel inferior. I don't care how super-cool and powerful they told us he is--at the core, he's still nothing but a punchline, and I don't want to see a punchline as the season's Big Bad...
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Post by Skytteflickan88 on Jun 21, 2008 14:30:59 GMT -5
But... If he's Immortal, doesn't that mean that although he dislikes magic, he's supernatural? The general and the old one in issue 10 said that Twilight was the death of magic. Wouldn't that mean death of immortality? Of course, perhaps The Immortal has back up plan, and can stay on earth even after the end of magic.
After reading the posts, I think it's pretty unlikely that he's Twilight, because we wouldn't go WOW, we would say; WHAT? Lame.
Joss suprises us time after time again, but more often then not, the plottwists are awesome.
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Post by Joe on Jun 21, 2008 15:57:00 GMT -5
One major problem with this theory though. Twilight wears a mask. And the revelation of his face is obviously going to be a huge issue. My point = we've never seen the Immortal's face. We wouldn't know who he was if he took off that mask. So it's not him. It's someone we've seen before. And probably someone we'd easily recognize in one frame. I have to agree with you on that... and it's probably not him, but with the facts we have so far he could be it.
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Post by Wyndam on Jun 21, 2008 16:00:29 GMT -5
I'm going to be extremely disappointed with any Twilight reveal that isn't someone we have seen before. With the teasing and build up we have gotten so far with his character, I just don't see how Twilight could be either someone new, or some throwaway character we've never even seen before.
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Post by Emmie on Jun 21, 2008 16:00:43 GMT -5
The thing is that every person we've suggested in some way contradicts the clues we've been given.
The Immortal fits just as well as Riley, Giles or a future Xander.
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Post by El Diablo Robotico on Jun 21, 2008 16:01:44 GMT -5
It's been awhile since I watched TGiQ, but I have a pretty good memory for quotes, and what I remember the Italian W&H CEO saying about him was: "The Immortal does not use spells. He considers them dirty. Dirty tricks for dirty people. Like gyspies. *spits* And we shall speak of them no more!" There's a big difference between not using something because you think it's beneath you, and hating it enough to embark on a crusade to wipe it out completely. Unless I'm forgetting a key quote (and if I am, please correct me), there was nothing about the Immortal hating magic. He just doesn't use it himself. The thing about Twilight is that every possibility that's been suggested has some holes in it, and I think we've just about exhausted every single possible suspect (I mean, when we're down to tossing Faith's dad into the mix, we've probably thought of everyone)...
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Post by wenxina on Jun 21, 2008 16:39:53 GMT -5
Parts of the theory that don't fit: - Twilight acts like he knows Buffy ("hate to see you cry") but the Immortal's only been dating a cover-Buffy. - The mask reveal fake-out suggests that we would recognize Twilight, but we've never seen the Immortal. - Twilight has seen the scythe move Buffy used on Caleb before, so how would the Immortal have seen it? Hey, if you buy the whole "Andrew is the mole" deal, then let's not forget that one of Andrew's favorite past-times include making absurd "documentaries". Also, Twilight's been watching the real Buffy for quite some time now, so if he's really the Immortal, it doesn't matter that he's dating a phony... he's been TiVo-ing the real deal. I see the whole half-mask reveal as less of a fake-out than a teaser. So no harm there for me. As for the Scythe move... again, maybe Andrew was secretly there and made a video. If you can't tell that I'm being somewhat absurd at this point, shame on you. Let up with the predictions already, people... most of you are probably setting yourselves up for a huge disappointment, with your declarations of "it can't be this, because then I'm gonna roll my eyes and pray to God that Joss gives a fig". Case in point, the whole "who sired Gunn?" deal over at the After the Fall pages. I, for one, think that the Immortal's got a pretty good chance of being Twilight, given the extremely limited bits of info we have on him (coming to think of it... sex could possibly indeterminate too... maybe it's Ellen). As Emmie pointed out, none of the current suspects fully stick. Kudos, stakeout for actually coming up with a suspect that no one else has thought of, and instead of just posting an "OMG! Twilight's like so totally the Immortal!" post, you actually provided textual (or visual/audio) support for your hunch.
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Post by Slayer489 on Jun 21, 2008 16:53:52 GMT -5
This never occured to me before but it's a brilliant theory. Then again, Mikey's right that he wears a mask so it's probably someone we know. I still think Mr Maclay somehow.
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Post by Smashed on Jun 21, 2008 16:59:07 GMT -5
This never occured to me before but it's a brilliant theory. Then again, Mikey's right that he wears a mask so it's probably someone we know. I still think Mr Maclay somehow. Sorry, but if Twilight is Mr. Maclay, I'll stop reading the comics. I don't even remember what he looks like. I doubt Joss wold bring him back, especially as the big bad.
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Post by balesthebloody on Jun 21, 2008 21:08:51 GMT -5
I never had thought about The Immortal being Twilight until this topic. It's not such a bad idea to think that he MIGHT be Twilight, I mean he has just as much of a chance of being him then ANYONE else. Sure, there are some holes in the theory, but then there are hole in ALL of the theories so far.
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Post by Smashed on Jun 21, 2008 21:54:20 GMT -5
I'm leaning towards Riley, with the military stuff, and the mask. Come on, if it were somebody like The Immortal, or Mr. Maclay, why would Joss hide it? It's not like we would even recognize them, let alone care about a one-episoder's story. I think it's somebody we know. Maybe Riley's wife and him were tracking a demon and the slayers were there as well, she got in the way, dead. That makes sense to me, especially since A) Buffy and her crew did the slayer spell and B) Magic kind of screwed up his life.
I'll also stop reading if it's anybody from Fray because this is BUFFY not FRAY. I know they're in the same verse, but I don't care about the people on Fray like Buffy, seperate storylines, please (except TOYL), and if it's Xander, Giles, Spike, Oz, or Angel, Oh, or Buffy's dad (whether they're from the future or not) I'll stop reading. That would be ridiculous!
I may sound dumb saying that I'll stop reading, but it would be so cheap and cop out-y just to get a shock from fans.
That said, I have faith that Joss won't take a character with virtually no development or a (ex) regular character and make them the big bad just for a rise.
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Post by Smashed on Jun 21, 2008 22:35:06 GMT -5
Ooh,yeah! Maybe Twilight really IS Willow's mom! and she has a fake body-suit thing, under her twilight armor!
OR, maybe Twilight is Devon, because you know he was on the show at least once. OR! Twilight is probably the werewolf hunter from "Phases"! He's pissed because Buffy broke his rifle! Yes!!!! It ALL MAKE SENSE!!!
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Post by KingofCretins on Jun 21, 2008 22:42:22 GMT -5
Actually, the Immortal makes particular sense to me. I started writing a fic last summer called "Game of Love", in which the Immortal was going to be the central villain -- seeking revenge for personal humiliation because he thought he was dating the *real* Buffy. I stopped writing it a few chapters in, but I liked where it was going. Most of the story was still in my head, so perhaps Joss can read my thoughts ("meow meow meow meow") In the first couple chapters, though, he had put his plan in motion by arranging for the decoy to be vamped and used a mind-controlled Andrew to convince the BHC that he was cooperating with them. Point is, there is a built-in motivation available for him to take interest in Buffy and undoing the Slayers, because we already know the character to be essentially narcissistic, AND to have disdain for magic anyway. And it would be very Joss to make that important after buying back the unpopular plot twist in "The Girl in Question" with some throwaway narration by Buffy in 8.01.
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