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Post by Skytteflickan88 on Jun 23, 2008 0:01:42 GMT -5
*shaking my head with a smile* Mikey, a lot of people look down on junkies, and consider them weak people, so technically, calling people stoned is attacking their character. I can see what you mean tough, that they weren't thinking clearly, yet stoned=bad, bad word ..... This argument must be the most pointless one I had in months.
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Post by El Diablo Robotico on Jun 23, 2008 1:04:50 GMT -5
I actually liked this argument a lot. It gave me some good laughs. I don't think they were intended, but they were amusing nonetheless...
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Post by Skytteflickan88 on Jun 23, 2008 1:37:29 GMT -5
Did you laugh at me? Me humoor så bad now. Shou sleep.
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Post by Whedon Fan on Jun 23, 2008 6:39:48 GMT -5
"Answering my question?" Then no, maybe your reading comprehension isn't as good as you think, because I didn't ask a question!! I simply agreed with your viewpoint... mikey, I don't think it's the Immortal any more than you do, but could you maybe refrain from acting like the people who are willing at least consider the idea are complete idiots? ...... ........... ............... I am not making any predictions as to who Twilight is because there is no way to actually tell right now. But I'm sure the immortal will be in season 8 at some point because orignially Buffy was dating him, and basically everything we were told in angel season 5 was true but Joss didn't like the initial feel for it so he dropped it all and started again. So I think he will be in it at some point. Anyway Mikey I karma'd you for the snickers picture...t'was funny!
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Post by witcher on Jun 25, 2008 10:11:05 GMT -5
Well it could be the Immortal, and the mask could just be a way of leading readers on the wrong track... I don't know. I think Riley is the best shot: military, not big on the magic, wanted to shot an old women in a bar...
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Post by iloveromy on Jun 25, 2008 10:15:38 GMT -5
Twilight is becoming a problem. His identity has been shrouded in secrecy for so long that we've had too much time to guess who it is. I'm afraid his reveal is going to split fans.
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Post by Smashed on Jun 25, 2008 10:51:44 GMT -5
Well it could be the Immortal, and the mask could just be a way of leading readers on the wrong track... I don't know. I think Riley is the best shot: military, not big on the magic, wanted to shot an old women in a bar... I karma'd you. I agree! I think it's the only realistic (well, for the Buffyverse at least!) and honestly, the only good theory. It would be ridiculous to be future!Xander, The Immortal (who we've never even SEEN), Dracula, Andrew, Angel, Spike Giles, Ethan, anyone else. *Ducks from tomatoes for calling theories ridiculous.*
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Post by Skytteflickan88 on Jun 25, 2008 12:28:24 GMT -5
. It would be ridiculous to be future!Xander, The Immortal (who we've never even SEEN), Dracula, Andrew, Angel, Spike Giles, Ethan, anyone else. *Ducks from tomatoes for calling theories ridiculous.* Well you know, "anyone else" is more likely than Riley. Just saying.
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Post by Smashed on Jun 25, 2008 12:52:41 GMT -5
Haha, yes, I know what you're saying. Let's not get defensive. It's just an opinion. We'll all see what happens in the issue it comes out.
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Post by kimtaro on Jun 25, 2008 12:59:15 GMT -5
All I have to say is that I hope it is anyone but Riley (Core 4 aside). Something about Riley being Twilight just rubs me the wrong way. I just feel that Buffy and Riley made their peace in "As You Were"
Mikey, Riley was uncomfortable with Buffy's strength, but now he's with Sam, who is all over the manly, so I think he is pretty over that whole aspect of the relationship.
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Post by Smashed on Jun 25, 2008 13:03:17 GMT -5
I agree with Buffy and Riley's peace.
I would love to see Buffy's face if it were Riley.
As long as it's not future!Xander, someone from Fray or Angel, or Giles/Ethan, than I;ll be fine. All of our suspects would seem so OOC. Hopefully Joss will suprise us.
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Post by Skytteflickan88 on Jun 25, 2008 13:04:37 GMT -5
Why is anyone else more likely than Riley? He was uncomfortable with Buffy's strength, he liked to be the "man", he wasn't comfortable with the magic stuff, etc. He's also someone that knows her "moves". Why is anyone else more likely than Riley? Because he's only one of billions of billions of people in billions of billions of dimenisons. It is more likely that it's one another one of those billions. That's simple fact.
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Post by Skytteflickan88 on Jun 25, 2008 13:19:56 GMT -5
Why is anyone else more likely than Riley? Because he's only one of billions of billions of people in billions of billions of dimenisons. It is more likely that it's one another one of those billions. That's simple fact. Maybe if this were real life, and not a story arc in a series. What? ? I really don't see what you mean. Do you think the Buffyverse has fewer people than in the real world? Or do you just think that Joss doesn't have imagination enough to create a completely new characater? Or?
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Post by El Diablo Robotico on Jun 25, 2008 13:26:50 GMT -5
Being uncomfortable with Buffy's strength in a relationship, where he felt like she was the one wearing the pants, is a whole lot different than being so threatened by it that he's willing to come back, years after they broke up, and try to take it away from her. They parted on good terms ("As You Were"), he clearly loved her when he was with her and cared about her even afterward, and he told her in "The Replacement": "Being the Slayer's part of who you are. You keep thinking I don't get that, but..." So he knows how important it is to her, what a core part it is of what makes her who she is, and so now he's supposedly at a place where he's willing to try to strip her of that? I know a lot of people don't like Riley, but I don't see that as being in-character for him at all... unless something happened since "As You Were", which would be sloppy storytelling, because we never got to see that--whatever it was--so after revealing his identity, there'd have to be this whole exposition scene of how he got from where he was to where he is now. It just reeks of fan-service to the crowd who doesn't like him: "Okay, then lets bring him back and make him the Big Bad." And can someone bring up some quotes that show how he's supposedly "not comfortable" with magic? Because I'm not remembering it that way. He wasn't familiar with it--it wasn't part of his experiences until he met Buffy and her friends, and he certainly never got to a place where he used it himself, but where's the proof that he disliked it, or was so mistrustful of it that you can clearly make a case for him wanting to wipe it out? I really only see three things that support the idea of it being him: the military angle, he knows Buffy very well, and the body-type (big and blocky enough to be Riley). He definitely should be on the list of suspects, but I don't think he's any more likely than anyone else. I've still got my money on future-Xander... even tho, deep-down, I don't really think it's him, either. There's just too many holes in all these theories at this point, which is why I hope the reveal of his identity happens soon, and doesn't drag on until issue #35 in early 2010...
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Post by Melissa on Jun 25, 2008 13:38:24 GMT -5
I am actually thinking/hoping that Twilight is Giles. I don't have any concrete evidence but I really think that would be the biggest shock and Giles turning evil would be absolutely horrifying. But on the other hand I don't want Twilight to be Giles because I love Giles and that would be sad. But from a storytelling perspective Giles is the most shocking way to go. And Joss likes to be shocking. Yes? No?
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Post by kimtaro on Jun 25, 2008 13:59:29 GMT -5
I am actually thinking/hoping that Twilight is Giles. I don't have any concrete evidence but I really think that would be the biggest shock and Giles turning evil would be absolutely horrifying. But on the other hand I don't want Twilight to be Giles because I love Giles and that would be sad. But from a storytelling perspective Giles is the most shocking way to go. And Joss likes to be shocking. Yes? No? Been there, done that lol In The Lost Slayer Series, Giles became a master vamp. It's not canon, I know, but I think Joss can be more creative than that. Besides, I don't think he can touch the core 4, it would just ruin the whole thing IMO
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Post by El Diablo Robotico on Jun 25, 2008 14:13:37 GMT -5
I am actually thinking/hoping that Twilight is Giles. I don't have any concrete evidence but I really think that would be the biggest shock and Giles turning evil would be absolutely horrifying. But on the other hand I don't want Twilight to be Giles because I love Giles and that would be sad. But from a storytelling perspective Giles is the most shocking way to go. And Joss likes to be shocking. Yes? No? Been there, done that lol In The Lost Slayer Series, Giles became a master vamp. It's not canon, I know, but I think Joss can be more creative than that. Besides, I don't think he can touch the core 4, it would just ruin the whole thing IMO That was a great book, but you hit the two key points: non-canon, and he was a vampire, meaning that even tho it looked like Giles, and was colored by Giles' memories and personality, it wasn't him. If Giles were Twilight, it would be the real him, and presumably he'd be doing it for what he thought was a good reason (like in "Lies My Parents...", or what Wesley did with Connor in S3), which is what would make it an interesting turn. Just like with every other suspect, there are things that argue against it being him, but he's certainly there at the top of my list, along with 3 or 4 others...
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Post by Emmie on Jun 25, 2008 16:35:46 GMT -5
At this point, I'm so ready for the Twilight identity-reveal. I got all speculated out over a month ago, had a brief resurgence of interest the other day with discussions about the Immortal, but really I feel exhausted by the mystery of it. Which defeats the purpose of the mystery as its no longer interesting to me. I partially blame myself for being so gungho in speculating when I believe we really don't have enough info to figure it out...or maybe we do and I've just confused myself again.
Is it just my novice perception of comic time or does it seem like 1.5 years of maintaining the mystery of Twilight is a bit much?
The wait in between issues is so tortorous, I don't know how you fans could stand waiting for Fray when it originally came out with all those delays. I felt blessed to be able to read Fray all in one sitting.
Comic time is the bane of my Buffyverse-fan existence...duh duh duhnnnnn
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Post by buffysmglover on Jun 25, 2008 18:51:12 GMT -5
Wow, that's actually... that's who I think it is!!! I do! That is so cool. . I love this reaction! I'm so glad someone thought of this! I didn't give it any thought at all. But I have been wondering for a long while why we can't get a stand-alone of Rome's Buffy double. Maybe the reason there's no news of one is because there's going to be something bigger coming from Rome soon? I like it! But I still also am thinking Riley. Stakeout, I blessed you.
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Post by themaleslayer on Jun 25, 2008 19:02:19 GMT -5
I think it could be...I mean we don't even know what happened to the other double...I think that this is likely for the Immortal to be twilight.
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