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Post by magicegidius on Jul 29, 2008 16:34:31 GMT -5
If it is a new person...we and Buffy will not know him/her...
Why does he or she has to wear a mask then?
If you don't have a familiar face...then you can show it...
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Post by Smashed on Jul 29, 2008 16:57:20 GMT -5
I can see season 9's villain being buffy. Ya know, go out with the biggest shock you can think of. I love how the only thing almost no one has even thought of yet is a completely new person. Actually, El Diablo Robotico explained why he thinks it is someone new somewhere in another thread, so actually, yes, someone has thought of it. If it is a new person...we and Buffy will not know him/her... Why does he or she has to wear a mask then? If you don't have a familiar face...then you can show it... That's the only reason I think it's someone old, but then I think "Who would actually build a rocket to kill all of those slayers" and It pretty much can't be Ethan, he's too old and hes not in that kind of shape. Plus he worships magic, why would he end it? Color me undecided.
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Post by wenxina on Jul 29, 2008 17:04:30 GMT -5
Because, and this has been suggested at least a few time before, the mask may serve as more than just a shroud to conceal Twilight's identity. Because Twilight's only ever been seen out and about at well, twilight. I'm not saying that this is the reason, but it is a possible one; that Twilight's somewhat nocturnal because he has to be. And for another reason, showing us a face immediately takes away the allure of mystery, and quite possibly humanizes Twilight. Keeping him a mystery allows him to remain an icon, rather than a person. He could very well be someone we already know from the past, or future, but don't discount the practical purposes of the mask either.
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Post by ded1 on Jul 29, 2008 17:29:14 GMT -5
Perhaps they plan to introduce a character at some point who we find out is Twilight.It is possible that "civilian" Twilight could be manipulating Buffy herself(playing both sides,as it were).
With what we know about what's coming,I could see Twilight manipulating events to insure his war to end magic happens
Posted by El Diablo Robotico on 07/28/08 at 10:09pm
While I don't think that this scenario is correct either,one could argue that if Twilight is Buffy's polar opposite then that could include his physical presence as well.(Buffy=petite,feminine/Twilight=Bulky,masculine) Just a thought
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Post by El Diablo Robotico on Jul 29, 2008 22:10:38 GMT -5
Because, and this has been suggested at least a few time before, the mask may serve as more than just a shroud to conceal Twilight's identity. Because Twilight's only ever been seen out and about at well, twilight. I'm not saying that this is the reason, but it is a possible one; that Twilight's somewhat nocturnal because he has to be. And for another reason, showing us a face immediately takes away the allure of mystery, and quite possibly humanizes Twilight. Keeping him a mystery allows him to remain an icon, rather than a person. He could very well be someone we already know from the past, or future, but don't discount the practical purposes of the mask either. Exactly. The thing I find most interesting about his mask is the way it covers every single bit of his skin--it doesn't even have any eyeholes. (At first I was thinking that if he were some version of Xander, the lack of eyeholes could be intended to conceal the fact that one eye is missing.) Also, if you go back to his fight with Buffy in #11, you can see that not only is he wearing gloves, but his forearms are completely wrapped, too, at least up to the elbows, and maybe beyond. This guy doesn't appear to want his skin exposed at all to the wrong conditions. The obvious conclusion is "vampire", protecting himself from the sunlight, but it could also be that he's some new type of creature we haven't seen before. Something nocturnal, like xi said, but not necessarily a vampire... The fact that every "known" character on the suspects-list for Twilight (Riley, Caleb, Angel, Spike, Ethan, Xander, Giles, Andrew, the Immortal, Oz's cousin Jordy) has a "Yeah, but..." attached has me leaning toward it being someone we've never seen before. The missile attack in the last issue probably kills any possibility that he's a "good guy" doing what he's doing for a higher purpose, so if we scratch Riley, Angel, Spike, Xander, and Giles off the list, we're left with a very limited pool to choose from, all of whom have problems. :unsure:
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Post by snizapman6294 on Aug 1, 2008 14:07:40 GMT -5
I can see season 9's villain being buffy. Ya know, go out with the biggest shock you can think of. I love how the only thing almost no one has even thought of yet is a completely new person. Actually, El Diablo Robotico explained why he thinks it is someone new somewhere in another thread, so actually, yes, someone has thought of it. If it is a new person...we and Buffy will not know him/her... Why does he or she has to wear a mask then? If you don't have a familiar face...then you can show it... That's the only reason I think it's someone old, but then I think "Who would actually build a rocket to kill all of those slayers" and It pretty much can't be Ethan, he's too old and hes not in that kind of shape. Plus he worships magic, why would he end it? Color me undecided. I didn't say no one has thought of it. i said almost no one has thought of it. i'm just saying that one of the only theories that has been discussed in depth is that Twilight is a new person.
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Post by BennyTheKey on Aug 9, 2008 6:09:41 GMT -5
Maybe Twilight is Harth? although they dont look the same but he has got problems with Willow, dont know how it will work out but just a thought.
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Post by spurtyknowledge on Aug 9, 2008 14:29:27 GMT -5
Because, and this has been suggested at least a few time before, the mask may serve as more than just a shroud to conceal Twilight's identity. Because Twilight's only ever been seen out and about at well, twilight. I'm not saying that this is the reason, but it is a possible one; that Twilight's somewhat nocturnal because he has to be. And for another reason, showing us a face immediately takes away the allure of mystery, and quite possibly humanizes Twilight. Keeping him a mystery allows him to remain an icon, rather than a person. He could very well be someone we already know from the past, or future, but don't discount the practical purposes of the mask either. Exactly. The thing I find most interesting about his mask is the way it covers every single bit of his skin--it doesn't even have any eyeholes. (At first I was thinking that if he were some version of Xander, the lack of eyeholes could be intended to conceal the fact that one eye is missing.) Also, if you go back to his fight with Buffy in #11, you can see that not only is he wearing gloves, but his forearms are completely wrapped, too, at least up to the elbows, and maybe beyond. This guy doesn't appear to want his skin exposed at all to the wrong conditions. The obvious conclusion is "vampire", protecting himself from the sunlight, but it could also be that he's some new type of creature we haven't seen before. Something nocturnal, like xi said, but not necessarily a vampire... The fact that every "known" character on the suspects-list for Twilight (Riley, Caleb, Angel, Spike, Ethan, Xander, Giles, Andrew, the Immortal, Oz's cousin Jordy) has a "Yeah, but..." attached has me leaning toward it being someone we've never seen before. The missile attack in the last issue probably kills any possibility that he's a "good guy" doing what he's doing for a higher purpose, so if we scratch Riley, Angel, Spike, Xander, and Giles off the list, we're left with a very limited pool to choose from, all of whom have problems. Great theory, and something I've been thinking about as well. This guy wants not one inch of skin exposed. I've given up on trying to discover who/what Twilight is, and Allie himself said we don't have enough pieces of the puzzle, if I remember correctly. The "I just hate to see you cry" line in no way means that Twilight must be someone that Buffy knows. This guy has had Buffy on large screens for Hecate knows how long ("I know that move, slayer."), and like most Whedon's villains, he's become exceptionally focused on her in more than just your typical "muahaha! i shall end you!" way - The First liking specifically to be Buffy while in Caleb's presence, The Mayor's insights into Buffy's relationship with Angel, The Master's prophecy, Adam's plans to have Buffy be a part of the Maggie's "final solution"... All that line shows is the Twilight really has it in for the girl. My problem with the Riley theory is that Twilight has not said anything that I could attribute to being something Riley, no matter how twisted, would say. I do think we'll see him again soon though. Riley, that is. The prince maybe? Buffy being Queen of an organization - as in having central command, and Riley being the Prince, a secondary commander and heir to a figurative government organization "throne". I spent some time thinking maybe it could be Future Angel, but that really is as ridiculous as it sounds. Mostly it came from the line, "The chosen one. Always in pain...and always complaining." It gave me an instant flashback to the "No friends, no hope" speech in Becoming Part II. I can't imagine it being Angelus, because Angelus is just not the cover up behind the mask kinda of guy at all, but for a moment Future Angel did make some idiotic sense in my head. The Caleb theory I don't have much a problem with because that's the only person to have said things remotely similar to Twilight's lines in the past couple of issues. ("Understand this girl, you cannot fight me." and "Just like a girl.") The Hank theory has a definite creep factor, but wouldn't be a rewarding reveal at all, unless the character was to be reintroduced soon and built up from the small pieces we already have on him. Mostly, though I'm letting it play out on my faith in Joss, I stand by my opinion that it's a new villain, twisted and very interested in Buffy. Twilight's far too awesome to be just your average good guy gone bad and now hiding behind a mask until an inevitable reveal (whether to the audience or not). It wouldn't be far from what Whedon has done in the past with the teasing, fake-outs, and all. He could have an extensive character history in the works already.
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Post by magicegidius on Aug 31, 2008 18:37:25 GMT -5
Ok guys...new theory... What if Twilight is the key-side of Dawn that somehow managed to get become a separate half from Dawn...I know it sounds crazy but plz read at leat my arguments. 1. It's all in the name...Both names, Dawn and Twilight, are opposites from each other. It is very remarkable that writers have chosen this name. 2. Twilight wants all magic gone...Dawn is created by magic, and the energy which we call The Key is bounded by Dawn. Deleting all magic, will delete Dawn, and the energy will become totally free. 3. Does anybody else recognize the big-jump-scene from season 5, when he or she watches the twilight symbol? A big moon in the air, a flat line representing the white shiney gate and another line representing Buffy's jump? Maybe this is the moment Dawn and the Key got separated? Joss never mentioned the Key after the season 5 finale. Maybe he kept him as a big bad for new seasons? 4. While Twilight is attacking the Scooby's, Dawn still alters in a form in which she can help her friends (I've posted this as topic"Finally getting the Dawn story line). Twilight sent Amy, Dawn splats Amy, Twilight sends indirectly a big robot, but there is Dawn again. Then Dawn alters, just in time to safe Xander from another Twilight attack. So maybe Dawn alters because she somehow adepts to her key-half, and does the opposite. 5. Dawn knows how Buffy fights and moves...so the key-half too. 6. The betrayal points to Willow all the time, but this is to obvious. What if Buffy gets betrayed by the key-thing, that once was part of her own sister? I hope this was worthy your attention!
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Post by Harmony on Aug 31, 2008 18:47:35 GMT -5
Ok guys...new theory... What if Twilight is the key-side of Dawn that somehow managed to get become a separate half from Dawn...I know it sounds crazy but plz read at leat my arguments. 1. It's all in the name...Both names, Dawn and Twilight, are opposites from each other. It is very remarkable that writers have chosen this name. 2. Twilight wants all magic gone...Dawn is created by magic, and the energy which we call The Key is bounded by Dawn. Deleting all magic, will delete Dawn, and the energy will become totally free. 3. Does anybody else recognize the big-jump-scene from season 5, when he or she watches the twilight symbol? A big moon in the air, a flat line representing the white shiney gate and another line representing Buffy's jump? Maybe this is the moment Dawn and the Key got separated? Joss never mentioned the Key after the season 5 finale. Maybe he kept him as a big bad for new seasons? 4. While Twilight is attacking the Scooby's, Dawn still alters in a form in which she can help her friends (I've posted this as topic"Finally getting the Dawn story line). Twilight sent Amy, Dawn splats Amy, Twilight sends indirectly a big robot, but there is Dawn again. Then Dawn alters, just in time to safe Xander from another Twilight attack. So maybe Dawn alters because she somehow adepts to her key-half, and does the opposite. 5. Dawn knows how Buffy fights and moves...so the key-half too. 6. The betrayal points to Willow all the time, but this is to obvious. What if Buffy gets betrayed by the key-thing, that once was part of her own sister? I hope this was worthy your attention! Really good theorys
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Post by magicegidius on Aug 31, 2008 19:04:27 GMT -5
And I forgot...
7. They are going to the past...obvious for no reason...But what is the only thing different in the past now? Exactly...Dawn, while she still was the Key!
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Post by snizapman6294 on Aug 31, 2008 21:54:57 GMT -5
okay. so my theory is since in one of the comics (i forget which one) twilight lifted up his mask and then put it back on? to me, that means we know twilight's actual identity. so here's a list of who it could be. i'm not saying i think these people specifically, but these people could potentially be Twilight. (also, assuming Twilight's not someone who's been resurrected.)
If Twilight's a guy (Which i think he is) Riley Spike Angel Xander Giles Andrew Ethan (If he's not actually dead) Graham (Riley's military buddy) Oz
if twilight's a chick
Buffy Willow Dawn Satsu Renee Faith Drusilla Harmony Kennedy Vi Rona
and if you factor in the possibility that Warren and Amy don't know him/her (from the way they interacted in #16). that leaves:
Riley Ethan Graham Angel Drusilla Harmony Kennedy Vi Rona
Wow. that is a pretty crappy possiblity list. the only one that fits is Riley and Ethan if he's not dead.
but what would make my head hurt to no friggin extent is if Twilight is someone who is dead and was resurrected. that means that Twilight's just a puppet. which means there's a puppet master. a la The Beast/Cordelia in Angel season 4. that would make the list sooooo much longer.
OUt of all the theories i have read and heard about, i think the only one that fits is Riley. i really like the possibility of Riley being Twilight. like if Sam was killed when the hellmouth was closed and when the military tried to use magic to resurrect her and it didn't work cuz of the spell willow used (maybe willow was using such powerful magic, that it sucked power from all of the wiccas, worldwide). and Riley blamed buffy for it. it's crazy, yes. ridiculous, yes. unbelieveably stupid, yes. but it's what i think it is.
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Post by magicegidius on Aug 31, 2008 23:59:24 GMT -5
If it's Riley I stop buying them
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Post by soulbrave on Sept 6, 2008 0:41:49 GMT -5
I Think that Twilight could be...
Riley, Spike or Angel...
Im not really sure...
oh! or maybe it could be Edward cullen from Twilling Books! xD
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Post by rogerparker20 on Sept 19, 2008 20:20:05 GMT -5
Okay, so this is a completely off the wall idea and doesn't really fit with anything but since people are throwing out characters that Twilight may be, could it be...
Ben? from season five.
I mean I know they showed Giles killing Ben to kill Glory but somewhere in an interview Joss said he wanted to use Glory for the last five episodes of season seven but felt that fans wouldnt like that so he brought in Caleb. So perhaps Ben and Glory fully integrated and he holds a majority of power now. (or it could even be Glory, who knows).
Like I said, off the wall idea but figured I'd throw it out there.
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and say it is Ben/Glory then the portal that the slayer goes thru mentioned in Fray could be one that Ben/Glory uses to try to get back to her dimension.
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Post by magicegidius on Oct 1, 2008 5:00:47 GMT -5
Maybe that invisible girl from season 1???
She lives in a twilight-y shadow-y world and has access to the army (because she's trained by them)
She hates Buffy and the end of magic would mean the end of her invisibility.
Her disguise is the only way to reveal herself... So without disguise she could be anywhere, watching anytime... Perhaps that's why she knows every move... maybe she was there...and it makes a disguise nessecary!
And it would make a trip to the past very necessary...and that trip goes somewhere to season 1... perhaps we are going to see again how she became invisible???
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Post by witcher on Oct 1, 2008 6:38:34 GMT -5
Well we know how she became invisible, and we saw that there were other invisible people so what would make her so special? I'm not saying that she is not working for Twilight but I doubt that she is him/her...
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Post by Malsad on Oct 1, 2008 10:39:43 GMT -5
how in hell would it be Angel or Spike
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Post by yellowstar on Oct 1, 2008 12:57:15 GMT -5
I'm surprised that nobody's considered Adam. I found a speech of his that was deleted from 'Who Are You?' on the Buffy and Angel trivia guide:
"You are here to be my first. To let them know I'm coming. I am the end of all life, of all magic. I’m the war between man and demon, the war that no one can win. You’re a part of that now. You have to show me you’re ready.”
"The end of all magic"... that sounds pretty Twilight-y to me. Also, he fits the 'villain from Buffy's past' idea, it would make sense for him to have an Initiative-type organisation, and how hard would it be for his uranium core to be fired up again?
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Post by alycat7 on Oct 1, 2008 13:04:49 GMT -5
I'm surprised that nobody's considered Adam. I found a speech of his that was deleted from 'Who Are You?' on the Buffy and Angel trivia guide: "You are here to be my first. To let them know I'm coming. I am the end of all life, of all magic. I’m the war between man and demon, the war that no one can win. You’re a part of that now. You have to show me you’re ready.” "The end of all magic"... that sounds pretty Twilight-y to me. Also, he fits the 'villain from Buffy's past' idea, it would make sense for him to have an Initiative-type organisation, and how hard would it be for his uranium core to be fired up again? The only error in your idea is that Adam is just a pile of parts still buried in the Initiative.
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