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Post by Skytteflickan88 on Oct 1, 2008 13:16:11 GMT -5
"The end of all magic"... that sounds pretty Twilight-y to me. Also, he fits the 'villain from Buffy's past' idea, it would make sense for him to have an Initiative-type organisation, and how hard would it be for his uranium core to be fired up again? After seeing warren come back even after being portayed as the first, I say; Yep, absolutely possible. I would think it was a lame idea, but possible.
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Post by yellowstar on Oct 1, 2008 13:19:25 GMT -5
If Amy and Warren can be dug out of the remains of Sunnydale, Adam can be dug out of the Initiative. They might have done it years ago.
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Post by magicegidius on Oct 2, 2008 2:18:07 GMT -5
But we saw a little part of Twilight's skin...and if Adam was Twilight, it would be half green, because his neck was made of two parts...one human and one demon part. (I also bounce my own invisiblegirl-theory with this post ) So now I stay with my Key-part-of-Dawn-theory I mentioned earlier.
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Post by Vail on Oct 2, 2008 14:07:44 GMT -5
Hi everybody! I'm new to this forum, but I've been following you for some time now.
I've just read a post about the Guardians and I thought: "Why not?" I mean, the Guardian was there when Buffy ended Caleb (at least her body was there) and she might have been really pissed off to see all those years guardin THE Slayer and now she and her fellow Guardians have way too much work to handle because of Willow Magic. Unbalanced power, bla, bla, bla... I don't know. Just something that came to my mind.
The other theory, although I really hate it, is that Twilight has something to do with Tara. Since Joss wanted Tara to come back and she was killed by accident just because she was in the worst place in the incorrect moment... You know, if Willow had never abused magicks she would most probably never been by the window, and what magicks did to her lover in the days after her own death... I would want all magick on Earth to be finished if that happened to me! But... I still prefer Saga Vasuki to be Tara rather than Twilight. Just random thoughts! See you around!
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Post by Sanity Fair on Oct 2, 2008 23:05:16 GMT -5
I'm gonna throw a new name into the potential suspects list: Kenny
We know he's magical, but we don't really know what a thricewise is and what they are capable of, but we do know that he's powerful enough to cast the type of spell he did on Dawn.
He dated Dawn so he would have hung around Buffy and had the opportunity to observe her moves and hear the stories about various Buffy fights (especially the bigs ones like the Caleb fight).
Twilight, Dawn. Dawn, Twilight. It just seems from their names there should be a connection there.
Since we know very little if anything about Kenny, there could be a thousand different motivations given for him being Twilight. He's tired of being judged because he is a thricewise "That's what you get for dating a thricewise, Dawn". He's pissed off Dawn cheated on him so he's turning her into a bunch of magical creatures then bring about the end of all magic. He was never interested in Dawn and was just using her to get close to Buffy and infiltrate their base. It doesn't matter, we don't know Kenny, Joss could make up any backstory and have it work.
My biggest reason for throwing out Kenny as a suspect is because it would tie in Dawn's storyline, which has been featured in almost all of the issues while never really been expanded upon much, with the main plot and wrap everything up with a neat little bow. He's mentioned just enough for when the reveal happens and it's him for us to go "ooooh, I guess it was possible for us to guess that." Mostly I'm hoping it's Kenny because if it's not then I don't see the point of throwing in a little bit of Dawn every episode.
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Post by Fredikins on Oct 3, 2008 0:25:01 GMT -5
But, I thought that Dawn didn't have sex with Kenny, she had sex with his roomate. Does that mean that Kenny was insignifigant, and it's really Kenny's roomate that we should be worrying about, or, does it mean that Kenny and his roomate were working as a team, that they were BOTH thricewises? *Suddenly wondering what the plural for thricewise is*
I also reckon that the points about Twilight and Dawn that you guys have been making are so excellent. I would've never in a million years thought of that. ;D Good work.
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Post by witcher on Oct 7, 2008 7:15:19 GMT -5
I'm gonna throw a new name into the potential suspects list: Kenny We know he's magical, but we don't really know what a thricewise is and what they are capable of, but we do know that he's powerful enough to cast the type of spell he did on Dawn. He dated Dawn so he would have hung around Buffy and had the opportunity to observe her moves and hear the stories about various Buffy fights (especially the bigs ones like the Caleb fight). Twilight, Dawn. Dawn, Twilight. It just seems from their names there should be a connection there. Since we know very little if anything about Kenny, there could be a thousand different motivations given for him being Twilight. He's tired of being judged because he is a thricewise "That's what you get for dating a thricewise, Dawn". He's pissed off Dawn cheated on him so he's turning her into a bunch of magical creatures then bring about the end of all magic. He was never interested in Dawn and was just using her to get close to Buffy and infiltrate their base. It doesn't matter, we don't know Kenny, Joss could make up any backstory and have it work. My biggest reason for throwing out Kenny as a suspect is because it would tie in Dawn's storyline, which has been featured in almost all of the issues while never really been expanded upon much, with the main plot and wrap everything up with a neat little bow. He's mentioned just enough for when the reveal happens and it's him for us to go "ooooh, I guess it was possible for us to guess that." Mostly I'm hoping it's Kenny because if it's not then I don't see the point of throwing in a little bit of Dawn every episode. Yes it could be him... only in ABH we didn't see Twilight because we would recognize him, and as you said we never saw Kenny so... Not feeling it. But you do make a good point about Dawn and Twilight being connected. It would be cool with the whole name thing, and it would definitely give some sense to Dawn sub-plot!
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Post by Sanity Fair on Oct 8, 2008 14:09:21 GMT -5
Yes it could be him... only in ABH we didn't see Twilight because we would recognize him, and as you said we never saw Kenny so... Not feeling it. But you do make a good point about Dawn and Twilight being connected. It would be cool with the whole name thing, and it would definitely give some sense to Dawn sub-plot! I never said we didn't see Kenny, I said we didn't know Kenny. We did see Kenny- in Anywhere But Here when Xander gives Dawn the chest of clothes that Willow made larger, there is a photograph of Dawn and Kenny together in, which is what led Dawn to tell Xander the truth about what happened.
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Post by sla on Oct 8, 2008 21:44:50 GMT -5
oh! or maybe it could be Edward cullen from Twilling Books! xD Oh, Boy... I'll go with Xander, but from the future, it would be nice
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Post by witcher on Oct 9, 2008 7:07:04 GMT -5
I never said we didn't see Kenny, I said we didn't know Kenny. We did see Kenny- in Anywhere But Here when Xander gives Dawn the chest of clothes that Willow made larger, there is a photograph of Dawn and Kenny together in, which is what led Dawn to tell Xander the truth about what happened. Oh yeah we did see him, I forgot all about that.. Still if Kenny is Twilight then Joss is so losing it. My picks are Riley or future Xander, it needs to be someone connected to Buffy or the whole Twilight drama is gonna be kinda stupid and pointless..
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Post by rufio on Oct 10, 2008 0:10:52 GMT -5
Really when you think about it. Riley is the NUMBER 1 possible candidate for twilights identity. None of the other characters really fit, except riley who fits PERFECTLY. Now, because i think it's pretty obvious- it could be a mislead. But I think it makes sense to be riley and would make for an interesting turn of his character. I just watched "As You Were" (rileys last appearance on the show) and his outfit in that episode is VERY similar to twilights. He's wearing what buffy calls "ninja wear"- military wear! And WHO is twilight in league with?? The government! It looks like twilight just threw a mask and a coat over what he's wearing in this episode. If it is riley, this appearance would mark the time in between rileys transition from corn fed iowa gentlemen to twilight. We saw his chin, which screamed riley- chiseled jaw anyone?! Plus he seems to know buffy intimately from the things he says and hiding his face from her. I think the idea of something happening to Sam because of the Willows slayer activating spell makes perfect sense. She could've been killed by a rogue slayer, Riley broke down and became twilight. mark my words xoxo
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Post by Malsad on Oct 14, 2008 9:20:21 GMT -5
well done
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Post by rogerparker20 on Oct 16, 2008 22:02:53 GMT -5
Hi everybody! I'm new to this forum, but I've been following you for some time now. I've just read a post about the Guardians and I thought: "Why not?" I mean, the Guardian was there when Buffy ended Caleb (at least her body was there) and she might have been really pissed off to see all those years guardin THE Slayer and now she and her fellow Guardians have way too much work to handle because of Willow Magic. Unbalanced power, bla, bla, bla... I don't know. Just something that came to my mind. The other theory, although I really hate it, is that Twilight has something to do with Tara. Since Joss wanted Tara to come back and she was killed by accident just because she was in the worst place in the incorrect moment... You know, if Willow had never abused magicks she would most probably never been by the window, and what magicks did to her lover in the days after her own death... I would want all magick on Earth to be finished if that happened to me! But... I still prefer Saga Vasuki to be Tara rather than Twilight. Just random thoughts! See you around! The only problem with that is that the guardian in End of Days said she is the last one. So there is no more.. And with it being related to Tara, I think that'll lose the focus of Twilights existence. I mean, personally, I think Twilight has more to do with Buffy, Willow, and the slayer line. What if.. and this is out there... What if the Watcher's Council has something to do with Twilight. I know that in S7 they showed Quentin and some of the others in the building that exploded but if they can bring Warren back they could certainly bring others back. Plus, whos to say that there weren't other watchers. i know Giles said they were being picked off one by one by how do we know how many survived and how many didnt Also, Twilights goal is to rid the world of magic and demons etc etc. That was the Councils goal.. well to rid the world of evil. However, we've been shown throughout Buffy and Angel, you can't tip the scales too much so to effectively rid the world of demons and evil you have to rid the world of all magic. Now I am not saying Twilight is one of the watchers, because as most believe Twilight is someone we know. However, someone did say something like Twilight may just be the middle man working for someone higher. Perhaps the council is behind it. Also, when they got wind that Faith went rogue they were none to happy. A large focus of one story arc was that of a rogue slayer created after Willow changed the line. Perhaps the council sees the extreme harm in there being an abundance of slayers running around with powers that some of them can't comprehend. Not all of them are going to do good. So, I guess what I am saying is that the council could be behind Twilights goals. --edit-- OH I also forgot that in season five's "Checkpoint," Quentin threatened to have Giles visa pulled and he would be sent back to England. Buffy said something like you don't have that kind of power and Quentin said yes and a great deal more. So obviously, if Quentin can get visa pulled, etc. he has some kind of pull with the US government. Which would tie into Twilight working with an initiative like group. -- Sorry I keep thinking of more stuff -- It's been shown throughout season three and five that Buffy sort of made a mockery of the council. She did everything herself, involved regular people, etc. So to go through and completely deconstruct the slayer line like she did (compared to the councils version of how a slayer works, Buffy completely demolished it) they could be pretty ticked about it. Technically, Buffy tipped the scales in goods favor without thinking about the larger picture. In a way, Buffy went rogue herself. She stole money to support the operation, she irresponsibly distributed power (willows spell), and essentially changed what a slayer was and will be.
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Post by Yam Sham on Oct 17, 2008 3:02:43 GMT -5
I sincerely, firmly believe that Twilight is none other than Scott Hope.
Here's why; Scott believes that Buffy's involvement with her Slayer duties, and by extension, magic, caused her to be emotionally and physically distant from him. This left him beardless which made it harder for him to stay in the closet throughout high school. As the years went on, he became increasingly bitter and vowed to end all magic, and then go back in time to meet a Buffy unencumbered by the pressures of slaying, allowing him to effectively hide his sexuality for a few more years.
NO MORE DISCUSSION, PLZ, I'VE SOLVED IT.
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Post by vbg on Oct 19, 2008 10:31:29 GMT -5
Isn't Twilight Harth. In issue #17, Scott stated that Harth will make his intentions known. Also, it explain why Twilight is wearing a mask-- Harth is from the future. And the future Willow is helping him out.
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Post by kimtaro on Oct 19, 2008 10:33:12 GMT -5
But look at Twilight's body structure vs. Harth...so not Harth
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Post by vbg on Oct 19, 2008 10:52:22 GMT -5
But look at Twilight's body structure vs. Harth...so not Harth So what. Body structure don't mean anything in comics. They most likely distort it, so it won't be a dead give-away. Besides, there not that many Buffy character that can fly. Future Willow could've put a spell on his to fly. So far, everything is pointing at Hart. If it not him, then was is the Fray arc so important to the story.
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Post by BennyTheKey on Oct 19, 2008 11:00:23 GMT -5
It wont be Harth, there would be no point in him wearing a mask then would it? becuase Buffy and the gang dont even know who Harth is !
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Post by kimtaro on Oct 19, 2008 11:02:14 GMT -5
But look at Twilight's body structure vs. Harth...so not Harth So what. Body structure don't mean anything in comics. They most likely distort it, so it won't be a dead give-away. Besides, there not that many Buffy character that can fly. Future Willow could've put a spell on his to fly. So far, everything is pointing at Hart. If it not him, then was is the Fray arc so important to the story. fray arc is important because of willow
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Post by Skytteflickan88 on Oct 19, 2008 11:33:21 GMT -5
The Fray arc is important because it's entertaining. The end. It doesn't have to be about Twilight. It wont be Harth, there would be no point in him wearing a mask then would it? becuase Buffy and the gang dont even know who Harth is ! No matter who Twilight is, I think the mask is mainly for the readers sake. To keep us in the dark and then BAM, surprise us. But yeah, it might be because Twilight knows Buffy. or maybe he's scarred.
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