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Post by hitnrun017 on Jul 11, 2008 20:48:13 GMT -5
Ok, here's my theory on the cover:
We saw in Get it Done, that when Buffy went through a portal, a demon took her place, it was an "exchange". Willow then had to do a spell to re-open the portal and bring Buffy back, only once she opened the portal, she started going Dark, and would've if it hadn't been for Xander pulling her out of the circle.
This is exactly what I think is going to happen in the last part of Time of Your Life. Willow will do the spell to get Buffy back, only this time Xander wont be there to pull Willow out, and she'll go Dark, and it will be the first thing Buffy sees once she gets back, Willow going Dark, hence the reflection in Willow's eyes.
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Post by Emmie on Jul 12, 2008 14:09:56 GMT -5
Ok, here's my theory on the cover: We saw in Get it Done, that when Buffy went through a portal, a demon took her place, it was an "exchange". Willow then had to do a spell to re-open the portal and bring Buffy back, only once she opened the portal, she started going Dark, and would've if it hadn't been for Xander pulling her out of the circle. This is exactly what I think is going to happen in the last part of Time of Your Life. Willow will do the spell to get Buffy back, only this time Xander wont be there to pull Willow out, and she'll go Dark, and it will be the first thing Buffy sees once she gets back, Willow going Dark, hence the reflection in Willow's eyes. This is exactly what I've been thinking, Hit. We've already seen Willow go a bit veiny while using magic in LWH, so why should we be surprised when it happens as she's using magic to exchange Buffy with the demon. It could happen exactly like in Get It Done as the situation is already mirroring that. What if Buffy's expression is her reaction to something that's happening in the future in the last seconds before she's pulled back to the present. Again like in Get it Done when she's given a vision of the turokhan army. It doesn't necessarily have to be Buffy's reaction to a pseudo- Dark Willow that we're seeing in Willow's eye. |
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Post by BennyTheKey on Jul 12, 2008 19:02:32 GMT -5
I really hope that it isnt evil willow, what if Fray and Buffy kill her? which is an extreme view but I dont see it happening. But something bad/big is going to happen which is why #20 takes a break from the main plot.
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Post by xmadxscientistx on Jul 12, 2008 19:24:58 GMT -5
What we know about Dru in the present:
She's probably lonely for her family, most of which she lost because of Buffy.
She's envious of Spike's love for Buffy.
She's still crazy.
She's killed a slayer before.
She's a vampire, and vampires find pride in killing slayers.
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Post by ded1 on Jul 13, 2008 18:11:35 GMT -5
New theory...Willow's body posessed by Saga Vasuki
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Post by Slayer489 on Jul 13, 2008 18:53:12 GMT -5
New theory...Willow's body posessed by Saga Vasuki Love it! But I love the Drusilla idea more.  |
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Post by snizapman6294 on Jul 13, 2008 20:43:14 GMT -5
this is one of those issues where both covers are amazing.
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Post by snizapman6294 on Jul 13, 2008 20:46:15 GMT -5
Why would Dru want to kill Buffy?? Also how do we even know that the big bad here knows that Buffy is in the future and its not just someone teaming up to take out Fray but Buffy just so happens to be there??? Dru isn't a big bad in Buffy's Past in fact they hardly ever made contact. Why would Dru care about Buffy? Dark Willow would not team up with some one also. Plus i don't even think it looks like Darth Willow we saw in Season 6. Looks more like Willow Season 7 when she uses too much magic. Are you seriously asking why Drusilla, a vamipre, wants to kill Buffy, a vampire slayer? If vampires were choosey about who they kill, then there'd be no need for a slayer. plus, vampires and slayers are naturally wanting to kill each other. that's why they call it Buffy the VAMPIRE SLAYER |
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Post by Rebecca on Jul 14, 2008 11:25:09 GMT -5
^^ In addition, Drusilla has personal reasons for seeking vengeance on Buffy: Spike.
I haven't made any posts in a while, but reading this thread I have to say that I agree with Dru-leaning half. The parallels with "Get It Done" are spot on, imo, and Darth Rosenberg in the future necessitate too many leaps in speculation.
I view Chen's cover the same way I viewed her NFFY #3 cover: it's just one scene that is a bit misleading without context.
In addition, I think it is too early for the "betrayal, the closest, the most unexpected" seed to come to fruit.
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Post by kershmuckit on Jul 14, 2008 21:27:01 GMT -5
The idea of willow being evil again makes me sick to my stomach... =( I dont want badness for willow. But woah, kudoz to Jo chen, thats a breathtaking cover of willow. Looks just like her
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Post by Tyler Austin "tiewashere" on Jul 14, 2008 23:49:06 GMT -5
Seeing what Joss about their being a big "fall out between the scoobiers coming soon"....i seriously think it's going to have to DO with Willow. That doesn't really mean it WILL be Willow...just that it could be. Doesn't mean it's not Dru either. I just honestly don't know.
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Post by darthrosenberg9 on Jul 15, 2008 13:40:42 GMT -5
If you zoom in close enough, it REALLY looks like someone's hand is closing on Buffy's throat...and from that angle, wouldn't it seem safe to assume that it's Willow's?
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Post by Smashed on Jul 15, 2008 13:53:23 GMT -5
I wouldn't go that far, as to say there is someone choking Buffy.
I honestly think it's Dru, and that Willow might go temporarily dark while bringing Buffy back.
I think the cover is there to throw us off.
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Post by BenTaylor3907 on Jul 15, 2008 15:33:18 GMT -5
I think Saga Vasuki might be controlling/persuading Willow to do her bidding. That's just my guess. I'm a little disappointed with Georges' variant cover for 19, Mel looks really weird. But I'm willing to cut him some slack because he's not used to drawing Mel. Jo Chen does it again with her beautiful breathtaking covers. Drusilla better not die, if she dies, I die. Too be quite honest, I think Willow should die if she's going in the direction I think she is. It would be like X Men: The Last Stand, where the Phoenix is taking over Jean Grey completely and Jean Grey asks Wolverine to kill her so she wont hurt anyone else. Plus, I think a Scabby needs to go. Not That I don't like them , I do. But they face apocalypse after apocalypse and Xander, Willow, Buffy and Giles still manage to live through it. I know Buffy died in The Gift but Willow and the gang resurrected her. Everyone in Angel seems to die or comes close to, so why not on Buffy?  Sorry guys, I don't mean to sound like a douchebag! |
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Post by xmadxscientistx on Jul 15, 2008 16:37:25 GMT -5
I don't think Joss would have to kill a scooby to have the dramatic elements we've come to expect from Buffy. You have to remember, Buffy has a different tone than Angel. Angel's a lot more doomed than anyone else on either show, his life is made of pain. Buffy's is made of the good parts, and making the best of bad situations. Sure, bad stuff happens to Buffy, but she always soldiers on, and everything seems to make her a better person.
I know Joss is notorious for killing his characters, but that's not the only way to forward the plot on Buffy. I'm hopeful that the series will be left as it was begun, with the trio still powering through. Although, I would understand if Giles kicked. He's not getting any younger, and he lives in a very dangerous world. Don't mean to be cold, but Buffy's already lost her other parental figures in various ways...
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Post by wenxina on Jul 15, 2008 18:04:37 GMT -5
I think Saga Vasuki might be controlling/persuading Willow to do her bidding. That's just my guess. I'm a little disappointed with Georges' variant cover for 19, Mel looks really weird. But I'm willing to cut him some slack because he's not used to drawing Mel. Jo Chen does it again with her beautiful breathtaking covers. Drusilla better not die, if she dies, I die. Too be quite honest, I think Willow should die if she's going in the direction I think she is. It would be like X Men: The Last Stand, where the Phoenix is taking over Jean Grey completely and Jean Grey asks Wolverine to kill her so she wont hurt anyone else. Plus, I think a Scabby needs to go. Not That I don't like them , I do. But they face apocalypse after apocalypse and Xander, Willow, Buffy and Giles still manage to live through it. I know Buffy died in The Gift but Willow and the gang resurrected her. Everyone in Angel seems to die or comes close to, so why not on Buffy? Sorry guys, I don't mean to sound like a douchebag! I'm sorry... did you just suggest that Buffy go the route of the worst X-Men movie of the trilogy? I get the analogy... but you could've made that point by referring to the canonical (ret-conned of otherwise) X-men stories involving Dark Phoenix. Didn't mean to jump own your throat... this was a somewhat humorous post coming from me (I've a misunderstood sense of humor), but I really hated that movie. Horribly written, horribly acted, retardedly directed, entirely disappointing. |
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Post by Emmie on Jul 15, 2008 19:36:42 GMT -5
While references to Dark Phoenix are certainly pertinent to discussing Willow, I have to agree with Wenxina that connecting the example to X-Men The Last Stand was not the best way to go. Grrrr I hate what they did with that last movie.
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Post by xmadxscientistx on Jul 15, 2008 23:24:54 GMT -5
I don't agree. The translation for the X-Men films wasn't great, and they failed to focus on some of the best characters, but it wasn't such a horrible movie. I figure if you go in with no knowledge of the comics, it's actually pretty entertaining. Granted, Hallie B. is a terrible actress.
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Post by wenxina on Jul 16, 2008 0:07:17 GMT -5
Tangent alert: Yes, the translations weren't perfect, since it seemed to be hodge-podge of the different continuities (partially, Marvel's fault), and yes, it was always a Wolverine feature in disguise. However, IMO, the third movie was terrible, simply because it was ill-conceived. Fine, mess with the Phoenix/Dark Phoenix story, but at least make it good. Aside from the lousy make-up/SFX (come on, dark eyes and veins... on Buffy, sure, considering the budget, but a big summer blockbuster? Really, that's just lazy and unimaginative), and the Crayola red of Jean's hair, Jean's tacky wardrobe, and lack of flying skills (if you're going to fly, point your damn toes... otherwise you look like flat-footed buffoon being hoisted by a harness), there were way too many characters, most of them without much purpose. The sheer volume wasn't the only problem; they had to throw many of them into various situations and give them one-liners. Also, if you rewatch that final battle on Alcatraz, why is it that every single "extra" mutant was able to jump 15-feet into the air, with no other ability than feral melee combat? Given the diversity of the X-Men universe, you'd think that they'd pick out a few noteworthy mutants, and have them do battle, instead of 200 extras doing the exact same thing.
So I respectfully disagree, it wasn't entertaining. It was painful. I wouldn't consider myself an expert on the X-Men, but I'd like to think that I know a good movie when I watch one. This one was not it. In fact, it left such a bad taste in my mouth that I've held back from actually buying the entire trilogy. All because of the finale...
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Post by xmadxscientistx on Jul 16, 2008 0:33:29 GMT -5
Well, maybe I just like terrible movies, because the ending to this one made me cry. Granted, I haven't seen it since then (and I only saw it at a dollar movie dive in town) but I remember it having a dramatic flare I appreciated.
My biggest qualms for this one are:
They conveniently killed Cyclops early on so they could focus on how Logan felt.
Extremely poor acting for Storm.
They worked up romantic tensions between Storm and Nightcrawler in the second one and then cut good old Kurt Wagner completely out.
No Gambit.
The whole thing seems to have become a vehicle for the coming Wolverine franchise.
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