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Post by AndrewCrossett on Feb 11, 2009 0:09:00 GMT -5
I loved Buffy/Satsu, and I'm sad (though not surprised) to see the apparent end of the possibilities between them. I'll always maintain that Buffy had real feelings for Satsu, and that her arc this season would have been very different if she'd allowed herself to follow them. Satsu could have been a lifeline for Buffy, but she threw it away.
It will be nice if they don't wind up as enemies.
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Post by eco on Feb 11, 2009 3:08:17 GMT -5
"I really hope Satsu gets over Buffy, I know how hard it is to want to be with someone who's straight and who doesn't seem to give a flying f word what you're going through." Right there with you mister. Oh and to that guy who asked what ":3" was...I don't really know. It's....a cat? I loved the part where Satsu says something along the lines of "My parents bought it for me before I destroyed them with my gayness",
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Post by Nicholas on Feb 12, 2009 12:43:58 GMT -5
I also agree that Buffy obviously had real feelings toward Satsu. It goes again with the fluid sexuality mindset of Joss Whedon. She bviously was experimenting and had feelings for Satsu, but wasnt in love with her. Its similar to Angel/Nina.
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Post by AndrewCrossett on Feb 12, 2009 12:58:33 GMT -5
I also agree that Buffy obviously had real feelings toward Satsu. It goes again with the fluid sexuality mindset of Joss Whedon. She bviously was experimenting and had feelings for Satsu, but wasnt in love with her. Its similar to Angel/Nina. I wouldn't use the term "experimenting," but otherwise I agree.
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Post by El Diablo Robotico on Feb 13, 2009 13:49:41 GMT -5
I loved Buffy/Satsu, and I'm sad (though not surprised) to see the apparent end of the possibilities between them. I don't think anything further will happen between them, but I also don't think this definitively slams the door on it, either. "The Girl in Question" was all about Angel and Spike moving on from Buffy, which they had (or at least tried to convince themselves they had ) by the end of it, but does anyone believe things can't start up between them again if Buffy encounters either one of them in the future?
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Post by buffy8fan on Feb 14, 2009 5:57:29 GMT -5
The last time I was this disappointed in Whedonites was when Tara started dating Willow and their reaction to it. Joss knew what he was doing then and he knew what he was doing with the Buffy and Satsu relationship when he said Buffy wasn't a lesbian like Willow. Fans didn't listen in season four and distance themselves from Tara until the episode Family (just like the characters. There was a reason for that episode).
The same goes for Kennedy. It bugs me how people are warming up to her in the comics when she's proven that she is still a "brat." To me this says that they were comparing her to Tara. The point was that they were total opposites and she wasn't replacing Tara. If anything I was angry at Willow for moving on so quickly.
That was Joss's intention with both characters and the fact that fans are doing 180's on these characters bug me as much as their 180 on Tara.
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Post by AndrewCrossett on Feb 14, 2009 9:50:09 GMT -5
The last time I was this disappointed in Whedonites was when Tara started dating Willow and their reaction to it. Joss knew what he was doing then and he knew what he was doing with the Buffy and Satsu relationship when he said Buffy wasn't a lesbian like Willow. Fans didn't listen in season four and distance themselves from Tara until the episode Family (just like the characters. There was a reason for that episode). The same goes for Kennedy. It bugs me how people are warming up to her in the comics when she's proven that she is still a "brat." To me this says that they were comparing her to Tara. The point was that they were total opposites and she wasn't replacing Tara. If anything I was angry at Willow for moving on so quickly. That was Joss's intention with both characters and the fact that fans are doing 180's on these characters bug me as much as their 180 on Tara. I'm not quite sure what you mean, but I'm sorry that we've disappointed you, I guess. I'm far less interested in "what Joss says about..." than "what Joss puts on the page." That's where the story should be told, not in interviews and convention panels. I liked Willow/Tara from Day One, and I liked Willow/Kennedy... well, maybe from Day Two. I think they were both exactly what Willow needed at the time. I know perfectly well that Willow/Kennedy is not going to turn out to be the first relationship in Buffyverse history that doesn't end in pain, but I'm enjoying the story as it's being told. I'm still waiting to see why the Buffy/Satsu thing was written into the story in the first place. As a page-filler? To sell comics to horny fanboys looking for hawt lesbian action? I doubt it. There are still more consequences to come from it, and I don't think they'll be happy ones.
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Post by ilovewillow on Feb 14, 2009 21:07:46 GMT -5
*Finally* got my issue on Friday and read it in full on Saturday. I really really enjoyed this issue. It was really exciting and the vampy cats were awesome and wickedly evil. The dialogue was really funny and sharp and the artwork vivid as always. I really liked the interaction between Satsu and Kennedy especially when Kennedy tried to convince Satsu to move on. In response to people saying Satsu threw her relationship with Buffy in the bin, my immediate thought was ''what relationship?''. They slept together once and Buffy tried to nip it in the bud right then and there. I do hope they don't become enemies though and would like to see Kennedy and Willow stay together rather than anything blossom between Satsu and Kennedy. Looking forward to #23 xxx
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Post by AndrewCrossett on Feb 14, 2009 21:38:39 GMT -5
In response to people saying Satsu threw her relationship with Buffy in the bin, my immediate thought was ''what relationship?''. They slept together once and Buffy tried to nip it in the bud right then and there. Uh... nipped it in the bud by sleeping with her again, you mean?
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Post by Joe on Feb 15, 2009 15:26:05 GMT -5
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Post by El Diablo Robotico on Feb 17, 2009 15:36:56 GMT -5
The same goes for Kennedy. It bugs me how people are warming up to her in the comics when she's proven that she is still a "brat." To me this says that they were comparing her to Tara. The point was that they were total opposites and she wasn't replacing Tara. If anything I was angry at Willow for moving on so quickly. I don't think it's specifically the comics that have gotten people to warm up to Kennedy as much as it is simply that almost 6 years have gone by since the TV show ended, and in repeated viewings people have just had time to get used to her (for example, I started to appreciate her when I began to notice that compared to Rona, she wasn't really that bad! ). There have been some posts here talking about how great she is now in the comics, but to be honest, I don't really get that, since she's actually had a pretty small role so far. One scene in ABH, a few in ToYL, and a supporting role in "Swell". "Swell" is really the only case where I think she's stood out at all and had any chance to shine, but even then, you have people criticizing and saying that any character could've been substituted in her place, so apparently not everyone was so impressed with her...
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Post by AndrewCrossett on Feb 17, 2009 16:15:34 GMT -5
While I'm still not a fan of her brattiness, I liked Kennedy because I thought she was good for Willow, and because Willow loves her. "Swell" is the first time we've seen her do really cool things in her own right (except for a few moments in "Chosen").
I don't think any other character would have worked in her place in "Swell" because she's the only other character who a) could identify with Satsu's sexual identity, b) had herself (apparently) been hurt in an unrequited love affair with another woman, and c) was brash enough to get in Satsu's face that way.
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Post by Whedon Fan on Feb 17, 2009 16:20:05 GMT -5
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Post by Paul on Feb 17, 2009 18:19:04 GMT -5
I started to appreciate her when I began to notice that compared to Rona, she wasn't really that bad! Rona provides great perspective. "I hate that character." "As much as you hate Rona?" "... Well, no, not that much!"
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Post by rmw on Feb 19, 2009 12:03:48 GMT -5
I've pretty much enjoyed all the Buffy Season 8 issues, but this one was a miss. I mean, I loved the dialogue and it was great to see Kennedy and Satsu working together, but after that...I don't know. It felt weird to me, as if the issue was forced.
Vampy cats? Really?
I guess in Buffy's world anything can happen...
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Post by Malsad on Feb 19, 2009 12:08:40 GMT -5
thats kinda like what i felt
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Post by Nicholas on Feb 19, 2009 21:13:42 GMT -5
I dont think I like the Kennedy character, but I would say that her role in the comics so far has been tolerable. The only thing that I like from her right now is how she jumpstarted Satsus moving on from Buffy. Otherwise, I hated her in Season 7.
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Post by AndrewCrossett on Feb 19, 2009 21:37:25 GMT -5
I dont think I like the Kennedy character, but I would say that her role in the comics so far has been tolerable. The only thing that I like from her right now is how she jumpstarted Satsus moving on from Buffy. Well, gosh. Not surprisingly, that's the one thing I *dislike* her for right now. I can't tell you how much fun it is to be literally the only person in the world who wants Buffy and Satsu to be together. Parker Abrams must be relieved to no longer be Buffy's least popular hookup. Anyway, I'm also one of the few people who's never hated Kennedy and think she and Willow are perfect for each other. I've been mad at her, but I've been mad at *every* character at one point or another. Too bad it's about 99% certain her relationship with Willow will not survive the next arc.
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Post by El Diablo Robotico on Feb 20, 2009 2:55:41 GMT -5
I can't tell you how much fun it is to be literally the only person in the world who wants Buffy and Satsu to be together. Parker Abrams must be relieved to no longer be Buffy's least popular hookup. You're definitely not the only one who feels that way (not sure if that makes you feel better, or worse ). I'd never call myself a shipper of any pairing, but I did enjoy the Buffy/Satsu storyline, and wouldn't mind at all seeing them get together on a more permanent basis. Satsu's a great character, and being a fellow slayer, might actually "get" Buffy better than any of the previous lovers in her life--or at least, certain aspects of her. After all, it was Spike's understanding of the darkness within her that provided him with his original "in" in S6. And I don't think I'd go so far as to say Satsu's passed Parker as Buffy's least-popular hookup. I think there were plenty of fans out there who didn't have a problem with it (In fact, this poll had the Slayalivers give it an overall positive reaction, by a small margin). It's just that, like anything else, the haters are a very loud group. It bothered me in this case, because I think a lot of them (not all, but a lot) were using the gender thing as a convenient excuse. Simple fact is that I think a lot of the 'shippers got angry because in their minds Buffy should only be with _______ (fill in the blank with Angel, Spike, or Xander), and should remain alone and celibate until that happens. It's that same logic that makes people say, even now, halfway thru S8, "I don't like Kennedy because Willow should only be with Tara", or "I only want Xander to be with Anya!" You can't retard the growth of the characters--or the story--hanging onto the memories of characters who just aren't around anymore, and in the case of Tara and Anya, probably won't ever be around again...
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Post by AndrewCrossett on Feb 20, 2009 9:22:35 GMT -5
I can't tell you how much fun it is to be literally the only person in the world who wants Buffy and Satsu to be together. Parker Abrams must be relieved to no longer be Buffy's least popular hookup. You're definitely not the only one who feels that way (not sure if that makes you feel better, or worse ). I'd never call myself a shipper of any pairing, but I did enjoy the Buffy/Satsu storyline, and wouldn't mind at all seeing them get together on a more permanent basis. Satsu's a great character, and being a fellow slayer, might actually "get" Buffy better than any of the previous lovers in her life--or at least, certain aspects of her. After all, it was Spike's understanding of the darkness within her that provided him with his original "in" in S6. And I don't think I'd go so far as to say Satsu's passed Parker as Buffy's least-popular hookup. I think there were plenty of fans out there who didn't have a problem with it (In fact, this poll had the Slayalivers give it an overall positive reaction, by a small margin). It's just that, like anything else, the haters are a very loud group. It bothered me in this case, because I think a lot of them (not all, but a lot) were using the gender thing as a convenient excuse. Simple fact is that I think a lot of the 'shippers got angry because in their minds Buffy should only be with _______ (fill in the blank with Angel, Spike, or Xander), and should remain alone and celibate until that happens. It's that same logic that makes people say, even now, halfway thru S8, "I don't like Kennedy because Willow should only be with Tara", or "I only want Xander to be with Anya!" You can't retard the growth of the characters--or the story--hanging onto the memories of characters who just aren't around anymore, and in the case of Tara and Anya, probably won't ever be around again... Thanks. It does make me feel a bit better to know I'm not the only one out there. "Sorry, Miss Summers, but as Miss Kennedy has pointed out, your color-coded nametag identifies you as STRAIGHT. This entitles you to occasionally use girls as convenient sex toys (with bonus bed-warming feature), but not to feel any loving emotional connection to them. That level of gayness is restricted to supporting and/or doomed characters, and the quota has already been filled. You owe it to your ovaries to find a nice boy to kiss and have babies with. Thank you." I just can't accept the view of so many fans that Satsu is basically the Season 8 version of Season 6 Spike... someone for Buffy to use. The story I read (ABS and WatG) just doesn't support that position at all, but people seem to see what they want to see. (I'm not intending this as a nastygram to anyone on this board, BTW... the people here tend to be much more thoughtful about it, and not offensive. It's just gotten to be like fingernails on a chalkboard for me. And I know I shouldn't get so emotionally invested in fictitious characters, but that damned Whedon, and Goddard and Jeanty and their storytelling mojo... )
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