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Post by The Night Lord on Jun 7, 2009 7:50:41 GMT -5
Wow...that sounds a little similar to my somewhat short (well, shorter than yours, it appears) rant over Angel season 4. I have good highlights and I have bad highlights about As4. And there's no point for me to say what I didn't like about Bs6, as it's two posts above yours. And unfortunately, the show's over, the storylines have been written and performed and there's not much we can do about it. We can accept it or bash it, but it's there, no changing it, no turning back, when it's all said and done, that's how it happened and this is what we got. I don't like how something happened in the storyline, I use fanfiction. Works every time. And we all have our kinks about the series. Yours is Buffy season 6. Mine is Angel season 4. We all happy?
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Post by ambersknight on Jun 7, 2009 7:59:58 GMT -5
I wrote my fanfic to respond to season 6. Wrote 2 actually, well, one and a half. Wrote one fanfic which was set 5 years after "Seeing Red", accepted all that had happened in all the seasons of Buffy, and reunited Willow and Tara.
My other is how I would have handled the magic addiction storyline from Wrecked onwards. Whilst I don't beleive Magic Addiction was viable before Wrecked I just decided to show how I would ahve handled it in a way that was just as dark 9some have said it as darker than the season 6 that ran) but did not require Tara's death.
I might see what your objections on Angel s4 are, as it remains my fave season by a long way.
As for why bash it. You are right we can't change what was, but can change what might be. Maybe next time the writers decide to do something that drastic they might take a moment to examine what they are trying to achieve, and if the method being employed is the best method, or merely the most stylish.
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Post by henzINNIT on Jun 7, 2009 8:09:56 GMT -5
Super-dramatic I'm a druggy was an insult to Willow and the fans. I could go on about it forever, but I'll leave it at this...
Look at Willow at the beginning of the season, in a beautiful white dress, slaughtering a tiny bambi; then look at pathetic, emo-haired drug addict Willow at the end of the season....
What the hell were they thinking?
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Post by The Night Lord on Jun 7, 2009 8:15:57 GMT -5
Well, hopefully the writers would take a moment to figure out to best execute the storyline in way that is satisfying to both writers and fans. Cuz it can't go all one way and yet, sometimes that happens and we get stuff like Tara's death or Cordy's possession
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Post by The Night Lord on Jun 7, 2009 8:18:00 GMT -5
Ah hell, double posting here...to henz, what were they thinking? Maybe they were addicted on magic themselves? Or something to that effect. Or maybe they weren't thinking at all?
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Post by ambersknight on Jun 7, 2009 8:19:22 GMT -5
And thee lies my problem. I dont think they did. I think they were so determined to get their evil Willow for season's end, and wanted something shocking in order to do it, that they didn't really consider things through.
I am reminded of the line that Jeff Goldblum says in jurassic Park: You were so busy figuring out if you could do a thing you never stopped to ask if you should. I think that's what happened here. I just wish someone had been an Iam Malcolm for that season cos it might have saved it.
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Post by The Night Lord on Jun 7, 2009 8:20:35 GMT -5
Maybe they should have had Ian Malcolm on it  I mean, if Law & Order can... |
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Post by snizapman6294 on Jun 7, 2009 20:24:56 GMT -5
that's what she said. so season 6 had some bad points, but remember, everyone was adjusting to the network change... that's what i tell myself to make myself feel better about Spike raping buffy. |
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Post by The Night Lord on Jun 7, 2009 20:59:36 GMT -5
I say he was completely drunk. Still no excuse, but he was drunk. Wasted, smashed, wrecked, gone, intoxicated. Helps me get through that scene easier
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Post by Lukee on Jun 7, 2009 21:10:51 GMT -5
I LOVED season 6, imo it was one of the best acted and written season well other then season 3 which is still the best to me!!
I loved the whole Life is the Big bad theme and think it was needed, I remember some one saying something about they had already done this in season 5 with Joyce… it wasn’t the same though. Buffy learned that she can’t stop non demonic things from happening or killing her family it wasn’t really 100% the same as season 6.
Season 6 had alooot of brilliant episodes and I think the Willow magic abuse storyline went very well. I don’t think it could have gone better tbf.
And I think Tara was needed to be killed. One it showed even accidents happen in Buffy and that it was needed for Willow to turn evil. Other wise we would not have gotten Darth Willow I don’t feel. The whole needing to end the world thing was bound to happen when she started to feel all the pain and such which wrapped the whole feel of the season quite nicely.
I understand Buffy needed something with the whole her and Spike thing i am not a fan of it i hate him after he tried to rape her but i understand it was needed for her at that time in life.
I looooved it!!
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Post by henzINNIT on Jun 8, 2009 3:32:10 GMT -5
I wish we got a real dark Willow experience, and not a cringing, black wigged, cheesy 1-liner Willow. I bet Hannigan got trashed for her scenes. No-one could deliver those lines sober.
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Post by ambersknight on Jun 8, 2009 7:51:41 GMT -5
Hi, Lukee, I read your description of season 6 and I must have sen a very different one to you because none of the the things you mention are in the season 6 I watched. What I mean is, you see some positives that I simply don't see. I agree it was well acted (By God it had to be to paper over the cracks) but the magic abuse storyline was dreadfully handled. Tara didn't need to die and the rape certainly didn't need to happen. As for dark Willow, more than one way to pull that trick off but one has to wonder why they did it. if there was a legitimate reason then why did they handle it so badly? if it was merely so the fans could see Willow act bad again after the positive reaction to Vamp Willow then its a definite case of style over substance.
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Post by henzINNIT on Jun 8, 2009 16:39:08 GMT -5
I thought Vampire Willow was lame as hell, but it worked on a campy, what-if level. Magic-abusing Willow was "real" and should have been more than a goth chick saying "super-bitch" lawl
One thing that really annoys me is that "Life is the Big Bad" took a backseat for Tara's death to play; as she's miraculously shot by an evil wannabe supervillain. How's that real life? I hate druggy Willow but at least that's a play on something very real. She should have been hit by a car or something if the writers wanted random tradegy.
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Post by ambersknight on Jun 8, 2009 16:46:32 GMT -5
Plus the "Life as a big bad" idea is truly undermined by the way that death played out. The sheer ridiculousness of that bullet stripped the story of any real life resonance and just made it look farcicial.
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Post by wenxina on Jun 8, 2009 18:32:58 GMT -5
Plus the "Life as a big bad" idea is truly undermined by the way that death played out. The sheer ridiculousness of that bullet stripped the story of any real life resonance and just made it look farcicial. Explain how "shit happens in real-life" got lost? It was a freak accident. That happens in real-life. The bullet didn't magically "find" Tara. Warren shot while running off, and his gun was aimed upwards. Tara got hit. I get that you're upset, since she was your favorite character, but objectively, I don't see how the freak accident in question actually undermined the underlying theme of "life as the big bad". |
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Post by ambersknight on Jun 9, 2009 9:47:04 GMT -5
I never claimed that the bullet magically found tara, where on earth did you ge tthat from what I said? i said the bullet, given the way Warren was running and the angle he had the gun at, would enver have gone through the window and certainly not at the angle it did. Watch the episode, its a completely ludicrous bullet.
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Post by wenxina on Jun 9, 2009 9:52:38 GMT -5
When I said "magical", I didn't mean it literally, but just based of on your gripe about how it miraculously hit Tara, I'd say my paraphrasing was accurate. Freak accident. And I'm sorry, BtVS isn't exactly CSI. It has never claimed to be accurate in terms of forensic science, or any science for that matter. I should know. I do science. Biology even... and I can tell you now that the concept behind the S4 monster factory was a lot more out there than a bullet hitting a girl, no matter how "ludicrous" you may find that. However, you didn't address my question... how did that undermine the message of S6?
EDIT: But maybe it's because I don't find the physics all that ridiculous, as you claimed in your earlier post.
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Post by ambersknight on Jun 9, 2009 9:55:56 GMT -5
Because when you are trying to say that the message of a season is how real life can kick you in the teeth, then you undermine that message with a totally fantastical death. Now if the bedroom had been downstairs or Tara had been in the garden or the kitchen and that bullet hit her, then there would be merit to the argument that it was a terrible freak acident. But it wasn't freaked, it was f**ked.
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Post by Mathieu on Jun 9, 2009 10:03:33 GMT -5
Because when you are trying to say that the message of a season is how real life can kick you in the teeth, then you undermine that message with a totally fantastical death. Now if the bedroom had been downstairs or Tara had been in the garden or the kitchen and that bullet hit her, then there would be merit to the argument that it was a terrible freak acident. But it wasn't freaked, it was f**ked. Maybe the bullet hit something and bounced right back into Tara's direction. Have you ever considered this theory? Have you? HAVE YOU? :-) |
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Post by wenxina on Jun 9, 2009 10:04:16 GMT -5
 Gun pointed upwards as he shoots blindly. Hitting Tara is not a long shot. The way the glass shattered, and the angle it hit Tara was most likely off, but that's not the point of contention here. But since the room Tara was in overlooked the garden (evidently, since she and Willow saw Buffy and Xander making up), getting hit by the bullet isn't that much of a stretch. Ergo, not fantastical. EDIT: Btw, my understanding of a freak accident is that it's something that doesn't "usually" happen, hence the "freak" bit. But it's not impossible. |
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