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Post by ambersknight on Jun 7, 2009 6:03:26 GMT -5
I've actually posted on several threadsand made positive contributions thank you very much.
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Post by The Night Lord on Jun 7, 2009 6:04:59 GMT -5
That this is all frustrating? Yeah, I get like that about certain things, so no, you're not the only one...
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Post by henzINNIT on Jun 7, 2009 6:08:19 GMT -5
....o...k..
I didn't think Tara's death was all that necessary. It was clearly a cause and effect thing to put Willow in the frame for final villain of the season, which is kinda cheap when you're aware of that.
I could tolerate her death it if was handled better. Did anyone else get dragged out of the moment somewhat when she got shot because it was a ridiculously impossible angle? lol I just tilt my head at it like "really?"
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Post by ambersknight on Jun 7, 2009 6:38:57 GMT -5
Seems strange to me that I'm being criticised for not liking something in the show that I don't think worked at all on the basis that I can't change it. Truth is no one can change anything on the shows as they are all gone bar Dollhouse. if we went by that logic this board would cease to exist.
I'm allowed my opinion. I also feel i have real grounds for that opinion. others disagree, that is their right. But to say that because I ahve a negative opinion about a major storyline that was handled shockingly badly IMO I shouldn't voice it with all passion is not right.
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Post by The Night Lord on Jun 7, 2009 6:39:03 GMT -5
I was replying to meliafairy's post, not knowing that ambersknight had posted in between Did anyone else get dragged out of the moment somewhat when she got shot because it was a ridiculously impossible angle? lol I just tilt my head at it like "really?" When you think about it, it was an impossible angle, unless Warren turned about 90 degrees and fired directly at the house, cuz weren't Buffy and Xander adjacent to the house? |
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Post by ambersknight on Jun 7, 2009 6:40:55 GMT -5
Warren and the magic bullet. So badly done. if Tara had been shot in the kitchen or if the bedroom ahd been a downstairs one then it wouldn't have been such a naff situation but from where they were, no way that bullet is going in at that angle, if its going in at all.
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Post by meliafairy on Jun 7, 2009 6:52:01 GMT -5
Seems strange to me that I'm being criticised for not liking something in the show that I don't think worked at all on the basis that I can't change it. Truth is no one can change anything on the shows as they are all gone bar Dollhouse. if we went by that logic this board would cease to exist. I'm allowed my opinion. I also feel i have real grounds for that opinion. others disagree, that is their right. But to say that because I ahve a negative opinion about a major storyline that was handled shockingly badly IMO I shouldn't voice it with all passion is not right. I never once said that you weren't allowed to have an opinion. You know the saying: "Opinions are like a-holes: everybody's got one." I completely get that.. The part that I find so frustrating is your need to say the same thing over and over again like a broken record. I understand that you really didn't like the way things went down. Just say that and move on to share more opinions in other threads unless you are going to bring "new info" to light. Besides when someone starts to completely pick every detail apart it takes some of the "magic" out of an episode or character. Sharing an opinion about something you don't like or saying this shouldn't have happened this way is completely acceptable whereas beating a dead horse IMO is not "acceptable". |
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Post by ambersknight on Jun 7, 2009 6:54:10 GMT -5
The only reason I ahve repeated points is when fleshing out my points when others have questioned my point of view. So if there had been no questioning then repition would ahve been unnecessary.
And as I've said, i ahve contributed to other threads. Not that I need to apologise or require your consent.
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Post by The Night Lord on Jun 7, 2009 6:58:15 GMT -5
Never heard that one before *sigh* I missed out on so much when I was growing up...
Okay, I didn't like how Cordelia was treated in season 4. Though I think I've mentioned that many times now, so I'm pretty much laying the smackdown on the poor dead horse *smashes a WWE chair on dead horse* Take it!
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Post by snizapman6294 on Jun 7, 2009 7:11:57 GMT -5
I also dont think Anya should have died either. Even though it was the last episode and we wouldnt see her anymore anyway I still miss her lol THANK YOU!!!!! NO ONE ELSE AGREES WITH ME AND YOU GET KARMA FOR IT!!!! |
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Post by Midnight Butterfly on Jun 7, 2009 7:12:48 GMT -5
I also dont think Anya should have died either. Even though it was the last episode and we wouldnt see her anymore anyway I still miss her lol THANK YOU!!!!! NO ONE ELSE AGREES WITH ME AND YOU GET KARMA FOR IT!!!! YAY. High five for Anya lol ;D |
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Post by henzINNIT on Jun 7, 2009 7:14:18 GMT -5
I don't get why anyone would complain about bashing something in a thread where it totally fits. I get that it may bother people who don't feel the same way, but from my experience people who don't like something tend to have far more to say about it lol.
Sod it. I got a thread in here somewhere about season 6. I'll dig it up and make it a dedicated hater thread so we can vent in a place that anyone who doesn't want to hear it can avoid. Sound good y'all? :upset:
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Post by The Night Lord on Jun 7, 2009 7:26:43 GMT -5
Yeah, sounds good. Though the only thing I can bash of season 6 is Spike's attempted rape and I can't even bash that very much. I didn't mind season 6...wait, this is not for bashing it...season 6 seemed long and a little bit boring, apart from Spuffy sex, OMWF and Dark Willow. That's about it. So, do I still get to join the season 6 bashing club?
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Post by henzINNIT on Jun 7, 2009 7:28:51 GMT -5
If you would like to bash, then you are most welcome to contribute to the HATE thread :0)
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Post by The Night Lord on Jun 7, 2009 7:35:27 GMT -5
Just went ahead and bashed...I feel a little better now  |
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Post by gumgnome on Jun 8, 2009 11:39:35 GMT -5
I suppose the only contribution here is that I think with really close examination of plot and occurrences in Buffy a lot of it would stink at least a bit.
Case in point - Angel coming back in Chosen. I mean to the casual observer it looks like Caleb is gonna kill Buffy and then Angel appears from nowhere to save the day. Deus ex machina anyone? Then he gives her a magical amulet that will help her save the day. Whoopee! Amazingly tight writing. But no-one is beating this point into the ground on SlayAlive at the moment. Why? Because most people seem to like Chosen, and no-one's gonna take Caleb's corner for too long in an argument. I think this dissection of writers' intentions and character development in the case of Tara's death could be just as easily used to dismantle a lot of the events in Buffy. I can't dismiss the thought that a lot of these arguments come about because of what people WANT to have happened personally. Their disagreement with the writers about something plot related does not weaken the actual existing narrative in my opinion.
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Post by ambersknight on Jun 8, 2009 11:43:22 GMT -5
I actually do have a big problem with the deux ex machina in season 7 of Buffy and Angel's appearance. i get it from the point of view that it was Buffy's alst ep and ANgel should be there but it was all very contrived. So no, its not just from that narrow perspective you derive that i have a problem with this storyline. It simply didn't work for me.
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Post by Willow+Tara87 on Jun 9, 2009 13:00:31 GMT -5
As much as I wish Tara lived, Joss wanted Willow to go dark. If Tara had just been hurt, it wouldn't have worked the same. Not to say they couldn't have brought her back to life, though. They really should have done that...  |
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Post by ambersknight on Jun 9, 2009 13:07:08 GMT -5
More ways to make Willow go dark. What the writers didn't want to do was go with the story. See if they had followed the "drunk on power" storyline they started with or had done the "addiction" storyline they switched to mid-season (and yes, I know some on this board feel there was no switch but I'm airing my point of view here) the season would have ran very differently. better or waorse? Thats open to much speculation but what it would have meant undoubtedly is Willow sliding down to a very dark place for a long period, rather than a quick jolt that was only there to provide a big finish.
As for getting Tara back, now that really falls into the stuff of legend. Joss' idea to bring tara back as an aspect of The First was turned down by Amber on professional and moral grounds. The oft talked about "Wish" story took many of the writers and AMber by surprise who was unaware of its existence prior to Joss mentioning it at that convention. Amber is on record as saying she would have considered coming back for that if she had been offered it so its a tough one to decide.
But again, repition is my name.
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Post by henzINNIT on Jun 9, 2009 13:18:12 GMT -5
I suppose the only contribution here is that I think with really close examination of plot and occurrences in Buffy a lot of it would stink at least a bit. Case in point - Angel coming back in Chosen. I mean to the casual observer it looks like Caleb is gonna kill Buffy and then Angel appears from nowhere to save the day. Deus ex machina anyone? Then he gives her a magical amulet that will help her save the day. Whoopee! Amazingly tight writing. But no-one is beating this point into the ground on SlayAlive at the moment. Why? Because most people seem to like Chosen, and no-one's gonna take Caleb's corner for too long in an argument. I think this dissection of writers' intentions and character development in the case of Tara's death could be just as easily used to dismantle a lot of the events in Buffy. I can't dismiss the thought that a lot of these arguments come about because of what people WANT to have happened personally. Their disagreement with the writers about something plot related does not weaken the actual existing narrative in my opinion. Not true at all. I've aired out my problems with season 7 many a time. For holes in the plot, or simple contrived moments, that season is a trainwreck. |
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