gumgnome
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Post by gumgnome on May 27, 2009 5:48:58 GMT -5
Not necessarily. Depending on how they wrote it they could have had (I'll humour you and pretend for a moment that the addiction storyline was a legit one): Addicted Willow + life breaking down + sliding into deep addiction and petty crime + serious psycholiogical break + full scooby intervention + needing to go to England to learn control after being brought back dwon to Earth with a bump (several triggers for that) + Willow returns nervous and unwilling to use her power + Tara giving ehr confidence to use her power more wisely = tara aids her in ehr recovery and teaches her the Wiccan principles that Willow ahd been unwilling to listen to before = more rounded out Willow come season 7's end. Just a thought  I know that this is just a shot in the dark idea for how the plot could've been resolved without Tara's death - but ^^this^^ sounds like boring and predictable tv to me, not what they actually did. |
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Post by ambersknight on May 27, 2009 5:51:59 GMT -5
And I would say that what we got was boring and predictable.
We aren't gonna agree here so there really is no more point dancing.
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Post by Midnight Butterfly on May 27, 2009 15:02:49 GMT -5
All I can say is that I miss her so much  |
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Post by buffyrocksmylife on May 27, 2009 23:19:56 GMT -5
Yes. It was necessary.   I DISAGREE! Tara's death just sent the show on a downward spiral. Tara wasn't even a big part of the show. The show got better after her death, not that she should've died, But... |
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88daystillsunrise
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Post by 88daystillsunrise on May 28, 2009 1:36:13 GMT -5
Although I miss Tara, and was uber upset when she was killed I do believe it was necessary. It completely shaped how the characters were forever changed, and made the story able to go where it is today in the comics. If Tara were still here, we would have a completely different story, maybe not a season 8 at all...
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Post by loveisabird on May 28, 2009 2:24:24 GMT -5
I dont think tara's death was necessary. The Dark Willow arc is really poor in my eyes. Im with Christopher Golden when he says the payoff wasnt worth it. I love season 7 but then we are handed Kennedy who is such a pain in the ass. And she seems so overpowering in her personality with Willow to me. Willow and Tara were kinda on even grounds in their relationship.
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Post by ambersknight on May 28, 2009 5:16:12 GMT -5
We may well have got a very different season 7 and season 8, but given that season 7 wasn't that good it may very well have been an improvement. I can't comment about season 8 as I've not bothered with it.
Truth is, the more I consider it the less viable the magic Addiction storyline is. As i boasted last night, not without some merit, i could easily write a long novella picking the storyline apart. Moreover, when it first happened, i wrote Joss a 10 page letter, typed, that didn't even scratch the surface of the complaints.
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zorthrip
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Post by zorthrip on Jun 5, 2009 4:12:57 GMT -5
Tara is Back!!!!!
ZEPPO STYLE!
 To Amber Benson the person and Tara the character, I mean no offense. I love you both. Talk of resurrecting Tara via means mentioned the The Zeppo called for it. She actually looks nicer here than she did when taking skin grafts directly from the zeppo zombies. |
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Post by ambersknight on Jun 5, 2009 4:50:12 GMT -5
Zorthrip, why do you presume she would look like that? Jack O' Toole had been resurrected for months and had shown no sign of any worsening of condition. The only reason the rest of them lloked that way is that they had been buried for months and came up looking as they did. To presume that because a corpse was raised looking terrible after months in the ground is how Tara would look should the same spell be used on ehr is premature to say the least.
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zorthrip
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Post by zorthrip on Jun 5, 2009 4:54:11 GMT -5
I presume nothing. I simply shared the image that appeared in my head when using the zombie raising method from The Zeppo to resurrect Tara was mentioned.
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Post by ambersknight on Jun 5, 2009 5:16:42 GMT -5
ALthough given that Jack seemed to have no ill effects at all after being raised I'm not entirely sure that zombie spell is quite appropriate in this instance.
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Post by Midnight Butterfly on Jun 6, 2009 11:12:05 GMT -5
I also dont think Anya should have died either. Even though it was the last episode and we wouldnt see her anymore anyway I still miss her lol
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Post by ambersknight on Jun 6, 2009 11:16:01 GMT -5
For me I've heard a lot of arguments, many of which have been repeated on this board and I simply feel that the writers dropped the ball. Too busy on whether or not the ending would be a big emotional bang rather than asking themselves "Is story integrity more important than superficial shock tactics?" For me the answer is an unequivical YES!
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Post by zorthrip on Jun 6, 2009 17:23:51 GMT -5
I've found that the best way to handle the death of those characters we love is to think of it like this:
In the Buffyverse, the writers and creators of the world and story (we'll just call the gods for short), have reasons for what they cause to happen. Sometimes the gods make people leave. Sometimes they push people towards death. Even though we do not fully understand their reasoning, there is inevitably a reason. We just have to respect the gods, and trust that they know better than us what must be done.
*aside* I miss you Jenny Calender
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Post by ambersknight on Jun 6, 2009 17:26:28 GMT -5
Well, I personally think that writers, like gods, are not above being called to account when their actions cause more negativity than positivity. For me tara's death caused more problems than it solved, and caused a lot more hurt and upset than any dramatic motivation could justify.
I don't believe in infallible gods, or writers.
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Post by snizapman6294 on Jun 7, 2009 3:38:43 GMT -5
i mean, to the storyline of season 6, the death wasn't necessary...
to the Willow season 6 abusing magic storyline: absolutely necessary...
i honestly would be worried that she wouldn't survive the battle of the Hellmouth in chosen if she stayed... so her being shot and totally and completely avenged vs. having to suffer through another death where characters were given all of 15 seconds to greive (anya anyone?)...
avenging wins every time.
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Post by ambersknight on Jun 7, 2009 4:52:41 GMT -5
Evile Willow - have tried to place an avatar but the picture I want to use is supposedly too big and I cannot be bothered messing about with it. Plus when i did finally put a link for an avatar on it didn't even recognise the link so I won't be placing one on.
I accept that other people have a different point of view and that I might be a minority but I'm not alone in my beliefs and I will never accept that the writers got it right. Not because Tara died (because I would have accepted the death if the story had warranted it) but because the story didn't warrant it IMO.
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Post by The Night Lord on Jun 7, 2009 5:32:55 GMT -5
I guess this could also apply to another question - 'Was the butchering of Cordelia's character in season 4 really necessary?'
With Tara's death, I guess it was kinda necessary for Willow's character and storyline - becoming evil, murdering a human being and trying to destroy the world, then dealing with the guilt of that....unfortunately, it gave us Kennedy
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Post by ambersknight on Jun 7, 2009 5:43:16 GMT -5
But when you realise that the "Tara dies/Willow goes evil" storyline was just a diluted re-hash of previous, far more logical and emotionally powerful, storylines then it just looks like a mess. As for Willow's storyline, given that the whole "person going evil" storyline had again been done before (Angel and Faith) you have to wonder what exactly were the writers saying that was new in it all. The whole arc seemed less about making any sort of dramatic point and more about just having an evil Willow again cos the fans liked Vamp Willow so much. Now if that is the truth, and I suspect it is, then all the talk by the writers of higher ideals really falls apart.
Cordy's death really shows a symptom here. Joss and his crew still stcuk in this "the only legitimate drama is death" to the point where they missed the point. When death becomes the only drama in a show then its impact is lessened with every use.
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Post by meliafairy on Jun 7, 2009 5:57:31 GMT -5
But when you realise that the "Tara dies/Willow goes evil" storyline was just a diluted re-hash of previous, far more logical and emotionally powerful, storylines then it just looks like a mess. As for Willow's storyline, given that the whole "person going evil" storyline had again been done before (Angel and Faith) you have to wonder what exactly were the writers saying that was new in it all. The whole arc seemed less about making any sort of dramatic point and more about just having an evil Willow again cos the fans liked Vamp Willow so much. Now if that is the truth, and I suspect it is, then all the talk by the writers of higher ideals really falls apart. Cordy's death really shows a symptom here. Joss and his crew still stcuk in this "the only legitimate drama is death" to the point where they missed the point. When death becomes the only drama in a show then its impact is lessened with every use. Okay I was really avoiding this thread and a few others because they were just frustrating but I have to say something... Ambersknight we all get the point. Tara was your favorite character and you love Amber Benson. You don't like that she died at all esp. the way she died. You hate Season's 6 and 7. You think the plot lines were terrible. Blah Blah Blah If you have come to SlayAlive to do nothing but rant about your love for Tara and never participate in any thread were you have the ability to say something positive, maybe it would be awesome if you wouldn't re-iterate the same point 8,000 times! The bottom line is that Tara died. That was what Joss and his crew decided. If you don't like his way of thinking that everyone who is happy has to have something terrible happen to them than just stop watching his shows. He isn't going to change and doesn't have to... Excuse the ranting but this has been very frustrating. I'm sure I am not the only one thinking this anyway... |
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