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Post by AndrewCrossett on May 26, 2009 13:13:32 GMT -5
I think it is perfectly fine to judge this movie before hearing more information about it. All this movie is, it's only purpose is to cash in on the recent success of Vampire literature and film, as well as the recent trend of series reboots and re-imaginings. And the fact that the Kuzuis' bank account has been dwindling since Angel went off the air, and Joss hasn't made any new Buffy spinoffs for them to leech off of. Like I said... a vampire is a parasite who feeds off the blood and energy of someone with a life. And Fox has a closet full of sharp stakes in their legal department. |
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Post by Paul on May 26, 2009 13:16:15 GMT -5
The majority of the movie-going population who aren't existing Buffy fans, and don't spend their time on forums talking about how Joss Whedon craps gold. For better or worse, big-budget movies are not geared towards fans and mainstream audiences will not care about Joss' involvement. Then if the majority of the movie-going public doesn't know or care about the Joss/Buffy legacy, why make it a Buffy movie in the first place? Make it a completely new franchise about a girl who fights vampires and demons. Neither Fox nor Joss owns the copyrights to that concept. It would be a ripoff, but what isn't in Hollywood these days? They want to do a *Buffy* movie specifically because they want to exploit the existing fanbase. And that fanbase does indeed believe that Joss craps gold. Because people know Buffy, having either heard about it, or watched it back in the day. It's a household name. A Buffy movie will make more money than a new character and series. I know plenty of people who were Buffy fans years ago but forgot about it after the series ended. They piss me off, because they're not "true" fans. But if a new Buffy movie were to come out, they would probably go see it, not caring if it was made by Joss or not. Not everyone is as obsessive as us. |
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Post by ambersknight on May 26, 2009 13:17:37 GMT -5
is this the same Fox that keeps cancelling scifi shows before they get a chance to grow? the same fox that were stupid enough to premiere a dark, psycholigcal cop show in the Sumer then pulled it because people weren't watching it cos it was the Summer? Fox don't exactly have a great track record here so i wouldn't hold too much hope. if they see real money to be made with very little risk up front for them, they'll go with it.
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Post by jellymoff on May 26, 2009 13:21:24 GMT -5
is this the same Fox that keeps cancelling scifi shows before they get a chance to grow? the same fox that were stupid enough to premiere a dark, psycholigcal cop show in the Sumer then pulled it because people weren't watching it cos it was the Summer? Fox don't exactly have a great track record here so i wouldn't hold too much hope. if they see real money to be made with very little risk up front for them, they'll go with it. Remeber that Fox The Studio and Fox the netowork are 2 different companies that operate independently. |
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Post by Rebecca on May 26, 2009 13:22:51 GMT -5
is this the same Fox that keeps cancelling scifi shows before they get a chance to grow? the same fox that were stupid enough to premiere a dark, psycholigcal cop show in the Sumer then pulled it because people weren't watching it cos it was the Summer? Fox don't exactly have a great track record here so i wouldn't hold too much hope. if they see real money to be made with very little risk up front for them, they'll go with it. I'm not sure exactly which show you are referring to here, but FOX has recently undergone a regime change, evident from Dollhouse being renewed. "Track record" isn't much usable here. I agree with Andrew that FOX will fight this one tooth and nail. |
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Post by AndrewCrossett on May 26, 2009 13:23:12 GMT -5
is this the same Fox that keeps cancelling scifi shows before they get a chance to grow? the same fox that were stupid enough to premiere a dark, psycholigcal cop show in the Sumer then pulled it because people weren't watching it cos it was the Summer? Fox don't exactly have a great track record here so i wouldn't hold too much hope. if they see real money to be made with very little risk up front for them, they'll go with it. You're confusing 20th Century Fox studio with Fox Broadcasting. Owned by the same megacorp, but different entities. 20th Century Fox has a very good relationship with Joss right now. All they have to do is file a cease-and-desist letter, and this project becomes instant poison to every studio in the business. No one wants to buy the rights to a lawsuit. |
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Post by ambersknight on May 26, 2009 13:23:58 GMT -5
Yes but they run on the same giuding principle: if it costs very little and makes lots of profit, lets do it!
All I'm saying is the studio is not gonna care about artisitic integrity one way or the other if they feel they can get a film out to catch the "twilight" zeigeist and make a ton of cash.
Sad but true.
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Post by ptnewell on May 26, 2009 13:30:54 GMT -5
Personally, I think the idea of a Buffy movie without Whedon, Angel or Willow is quite a good idea, with just a couple of tweaks. Just get rid of the "Buffy" character, eliminate the vampires, and change the title.
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Post by AndrewCrossett on May 26, 2009 13:33:21 GMT -5
Yes but they run on the same giuding principle: if it costs very little and makes lots of profit, lets do it! All I'm saying is the studio is not gonna care about artisitic integrity one way or the other if they feel they can get a film out to catch the "twilight" zeigeist and make a ton of cash. Sad but true. There are plenty of other ways to cash in on that trend without alienating a creator they value, and the extremely vocal, loyal and influential fandom that goes along with him. And you're just not going to have success with a movie based on a cult genre franchise if 90% of its core fandom refuses to see it. There just aren't enough clueless quasi-fans out there that would shell out $10 to see this movie just because they've heard the lead character's name before. Unless Joss can somehow be persuaded to go along with this... and I don't see any way that's going to happen... I'm confident Fox will not let it go forward. |
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Post by Just Willow on May 26, 2009 13:33:39 GMT -5
FAILFAILFAIL!!!
DON'T KILL THE SERIES!!! DON'T DO IT!!!
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Post by Rebecca on May 26, 2009 13:34:37 GMT -5
Personally, I think the idea of a Buffy movie without Whedon, Angel or Willow is quite a good idea, with just a couple of tweaks. Just get rid of the "Buffy" character, eliminate the vampires, and change the title. HAHAHAHA  A reboot of Buffy with nothing about Buffy at all. Full of win that is. |
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Post by ambersknight on May 26, 2009 13:38:12 GMT -5
But it seems a bit bigotted to me that people would dismiss the film without any evidence. no Joss doesn't mean a bad Buffy film. No SMG doesn't mean a bad Buffy film. A poor script, poor director, poor story, poor budget and poor actors can a bad film make. But as we have no news on any of those factors yet it is premature and frankly disturbing that people are making up their mind about a film that ahsn't even been cast or written yet.
It might be terrible but it is far too early to say one way or the other.
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Post by Just Willow on May 26, 2009 13:38:38 GMT -5
Personally, I think the idea of a Buffy movie without Whedon, Angel or Willow is quite a good idea, with just a couple of tweaks. Just get rid of the "Buffy" character, eliminate the vampires, and change the title. lol. i really hope that's sarcasm, cause if it is i'm karmaing you. |
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Post by AndrewCrossett on May 26, 2009 13:40:13 GMT -5
A reboot of Buffy with nothing about Buffy at all. Full of win that is. Into every generation is born... a Hurter. A Hurter of demons and ghosts and mummies and frankensteins. One such Hurter is... MUFFIN. |
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Post by Wyndam on May 26, 2009 13:41:18 GMT -5
Personally, I think the idea of a Buffy movie without Whedon, Angel or Willow is quite a good idea, with just a couple of tweaks. Just get rid of the "Buffy" character, eliminate the vampires, and change the title. LOL That just made my day. ;D |
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Post by Just Willow on May 26, 2009 13:41:27 GMT -5
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Post by AndrewCrossett on May 26, 2009 13:44:52 GMT -5
no Joss doesn't mean a bad Buffy film. No Joss means the film is fanfic... regardless of its production quality. There's lots of good fanfic. But the only real Buffy comes from Joss Whedon. |
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Post by Rebecca on May 26, 2009 13:46:50 GMT -5
But it seems a bit bigotted to me that people would dismiss the film without any evidence. no Joss doesn't mean a bad Buffy film. No SMG doesn't mean a bad Buffy film. A poor script, poor director, poor story, poor budget and poor actors can a bad film make. But as we have no news on any of those factors yet it is premature and frankly disturbing that people are making up their mind about a film that ahsn't even been cast or written yet. It might be terrible but it is far too early to say one way or the other. Bigoted? Is that the word you want to use? Quick to judgment perhaps, but it isn't as though we are judging it without any information. No Joss means the film is fanfic... regardless of its production quality. There's lots of good fanfic. But the only real Buffy comes from Joss Whedon. Fanfic produced by the Kuzui's. :shudder: |
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Post by ambersknight on May 26, 2009 13:47:04 GMT -5
So what would you honestly have as a movie: A really good fanfic or an average movie that has Joss' name on it? Joss is largely irrelevant for me as I don't watch the shows for Joss. I watch the shows for good writing, acting and stories and Joss isn't the only guy capable of that.
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Post by Just Willow on May 26, 2009 13:47:18 GMT -5
no Joss doesn't mean a bad Buffy film. No Joss means the film is fanfic... regardless of its production quality. There's lots of good fanfic. But the only real Buffy comes from Joss Whedon. Fully agree. fanfic writing is fine, like the books and stuff, but this? none of the actors or characters are even in it! this is just:  |
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