nickb123
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Post by nickb123 on Aug 9, 2009 6:55:02 GMT -5
I just think Buffy will try to exorcise the demon in her and the other girls, and then realise that she's being a douche.
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Post by Rebecca on Aug 9, 2009 15:46:15 GMT -5
From the latest issue, it looks as though they will learn to not be controlled by their magic any more from Oz and his method. I don't think it's suppressing it so much as letting it pass through you, becoming one with the earth--It's all connected--and not manipulating it (a stark contrast to Twilight).
I think Buffy will realize that she (and the other slayers) don't have to suppress her magic but rather accept it and become one with it (think Real Me right before Dawn knocked the crystals over), and in doing so, they will be able to defeat Twilight.
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Post by AndrewCrossett on Aug 9, 2009 16:07:46 GMT -5
From the latest issue, it looks as though they will learn to not be controlled by their magic any more from Oz and his method. I don't think it's suppressing it so much as letting it pass through you, becoming one with the earth-- It's all connected--and not manipulating it (a stark contrast to Twilight). What worries me, based on the cover and solicitation for #29, is that they can't seem to get their magic back again... even when they need it and there's no further point in suppressing it. |
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Post by Rebecca on Aug 10, 2009 0:34:16 GMT -5
We'll have to wait and see. I'm not too-too worried that Buffy will de-power herself permanently, though I am a little  |
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Post by classicmaiden on Aug 10, 2009 4:48:37 GMT -5
I really like the slayer army, it gives good stories and dilemmas for the Scooby gang and raises questions like "was this a good idea in the first place, to turn every potential slayer into a slayer? And will it make us stronger?" and "can we possibly end all evil?".Reading the Fray comics, Buffy ends all evil, and evil stays gone for centuries - until Fray's time.
I love when Buffy goes to the future, to see Fray and she sees what her decisions has meant...
So yes, I rather like the idea of a whole Slayer army, but I wouldn't mind it being reversed either and I can imagine that happening which would be cool.
I don't know yet, how I feel about Buffy de-powering herself however!
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Post by AndrewCrossett on Aug 10, 2009 15:38:58 GMT -5
Reading the Fray comics, Buffy ends all evil, and evil stays gone for centuries - until Fray's time. Well, Buffy doesn't end evil... she just ends magic and vampires and demons. Fray's world isn't a very happy place, and it's an open question whether what Buffy did made the world a better place or not. |
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Post by classicmaiden on Aug 11, 2009 7:28:39 GMT -5
Reading the Fray comics, Buffy ends all evil, and evil stays gone for centuries - until Fray's time. Well, Buffy doesn't end evil... she just ends magic and vampires and demons. Fray's world isn't a very happy place, and it's an open question whether what Buffy did made the world a better place or not. That's what I meant and while, there's a lot of different types of evil, a Slayers function is, basically, to kill vampires and demons. So if there's no vampires or demons (and magicks), there's nothing for a slayer to fight, basically; So that's the kind of evil I was thinking about - not the evil in all of us type! It is indeed an open question and that's why I LOVED when she travelled to the future and she meets Fray because it indeed raises the question 'did she make the monsters go away in the earthly dimension, for a while?'. At least no slayers were called, but indeed evil grew again, for example the lurks (vampires) and the demons comes back.  And while we of course don't know if it is Buffy or another slayer who ended it, since it was in the 21 century and she had mystical allies, it would seem to be Buffy. I love when Buffy is thinking when visiting Fray in the future, "And the better world... Turns out like this." and it's just very telling; That it is an unhappy place, like you also mentioned Well, enough about the future and Fray comics from me  |
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Post by wenxina on Aug 11, 2009 8:39:05 GMT -5
"Lurk" is just future-slang for vampires. Same old stake-through-the-heart-will-dust-'em variety. Nothing more, nothing less.
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Post by classicmaiden on Aug 11, 2009 9:44:27 GMT -5
"Lurk" is just future-slang for vampires. Same old stake-through-the-heart-will-dust-'em variety. Nothing more, nothing less. Exactly, but they still look cool |
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Post by wenxina on Aug 11, 2009 9:55:53 GMT -5
I was only referring to the fact that you called lurks a new kind of vampire in your post before you edited it. As for looking cool... well, the CGI budget is incredible when you're only limited by your imagination. Just don't tell Peter Jackson that... |
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Post by classicmaiden on Aug 11, 2009 13:14:29 GMT -5
I was only referring to the fact that you called lurks a new kind of vampire in your post before you edited it. As for looking cool... well, the CGI budget is incredible when you're only limited by your imagination. Just don't tell Peter Jackson that... indeed and I just had to edit since that sentence was sooo easy to misunderstand, it seemed  . When I wrote a new kind of vampire, I was thinking about how a lot of the vamps looked higher and bigger, and in that way has changed, though not Harth, however. Nice talking to you  |
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cutiepatootie
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Post by cutiepatootie on Aug 11, 2009 16:59:05 GMT -5
To rip that much power and purpose from that many girls - no way.
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nickb123
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Post by nickb123 on Aug 12, 2009 7:37:57 GMT -5
To rip that much power and purpose from that many girls - no way. Well said, sums up this entire thread for me. Karma. |
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Post by snizapman6294 on Aug 13, 2009 1:23:15 GMT -5
for the most part, i really like the fact that there are lots of slayers. plus, the reversal would probably kill Willow. and that would make me sad.
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Post by Reika on Aug 13, 2009 16:01:54 GMT -5
What I also love about the spell is that the idea came solely from Buffy. The only person, I believe, up until that point with the right to make that decision was Buffy. The person who had been sacrificing her life to do that job, even literally, for seven years, never turning her back on it and still knowing the end result of all that she'd been giving would be ultimately a short life and her death, speaks wonders about her character and her dicision in Chosen.
When Buffy made that decision she wasn't looking at herself and thinking "Now's my chance to lead a normal life", she wasn't even certain she'd survive. She was looking at all those girls that surrounded her and thinking of the best possible way for them not to die. The battle was going to happen either she wanted to or not, and those girls would have to participate as their own lives were at risk. Of course it wasn't fair. It wasn't fair when the First Slayer had that power forced into her, it wasn't fair when all those other Slayers had been chosen, it wasn't fair how at such a young age Buffy had to be worrying about protecting people who didn't even known about her, when she should've been out there living her life; she was young and she had so much to live for, but the power had chosen her because she had the potential to do what's right, and even if like many of the previous Slayers she didn't want it, she still didn't turn her back on it, she accepted the responsibility -- as life doesn't just step back or give you a break when you're faced with decisions and responsibilities you didn't choose or don't find fair, that's simply not how it works.
Many might not see it this way, but when Buffy made the decision to share her power, she was actually giving all those girls for when the battle ended the chance to make a choice, something she and the previous Slayers hadn't been given.
The show's main theme may seem rooted deep in women empowerment, but when it all comes down to it, that power itself that consisted of it actually came from a dark place. Rather giving a whole new level of thematic richness and maturity to the show. Nothing about how Sineya had acquired her power was beautiful and empowering to woman, but quite the contrary, as she was forced with something she did not want, forced to fight things she never thought existed, only to later be rewarded with what but a short life and her death that she didn't even know how it would come, only kwnoing it would most certainly be brutal, and all because women back then were seen as the inferior 'species' to men, because men saw that they could to that, because it'd be easier to give that power to a woman and then control her. Why not, if you think about it, hadn't they forced that power into a man, that obviously has the bone structure more prepared to take more jabs than a woman? Because they weren't thinking about fairness, they didn't care about the First Slayer and those other girls, they didn't care if the girls that would be chosen would live short lives, they simply didn't care about the "instrument" that held that power. They simply wanted something to fight for them. Someone convenient that would make the sacrifices instead of them.
When it all comes down to it, Buffy was faced with the choice to share something that wasn't even supposed to exist, a power that she hadn't chosen to begin with. And what I love the most about that, is that Buffy had been given somehting dark to her, and yes, in the end, she turned that power into a beautiful metaphor of women empowerment by sharing her power with all those potentials. And even now, just to show this girl's moral strength and her ambiguous mental grasp on her responsbilities that she no longer holds alone, she still chooses to fight with all these new Slayers in the S8 comics, when she could actually finally be resting at last. But that power has been a part of her for so many years and affected her so much, her life and the people around her, that she still feels it's her responsbility to lead the way and take care of these new Slayers.
You may also think that it was a dumb choice or rather a choice Buffy didn't have the right to make, but that's the point, she actually did, because when that power was given to her, it didn't belong no longer to the previous Slayers or to the Shadow Men and certainly not to the Watcher's Council, it belonged now to her and to all those potentials that awaited in line. Because getting rid of it was not an option and it would certainly not stop moving on from girl to girl, so her decision was actually quite brilliant to say the least.
We accompanied Buffy and her friends for seven years and throughout seven magnificent Seasons, and for it to end with the sole purpose of the series that consisted of the power Buffy had being shared with thousands of other girls, was a most glorious way to end it.
So, no, I don't think it'd be the right way to go by having the spell reversed for many reasons.
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Post by El Diablo Robotico on Aug 13, 2009 16:20:42 GMT -5
Big "no." I've said it before: there are lots of vamps and demons out there, way more than 1 or 2 slayers could ever handle on their own, so the more slayers there are, the safer the world is (whether it believes that at the moment or not). And I still continue to be mystified by this "logic" that Buffy is somehow less special now that she's not the only Slayer (well, 1 of only 2). Fer Chrissakes, it wasn't her powers that made her special!! It was what she did with them! It was her being her, just the fact that she's Buffy! I mean, I don't read a lot of other comics, but do "Spider-man" fans go around saying, "I wish the X-men and all the other superheroes would lose their powers--it just makes Spidey so much less special, having all those other superpeople out there, too"?  Have to admit, tho, that I don't really like the way the slayer army thing has been handled in S8. Squads of 50 girls each concentrated in just 10 locations around the world doesn't make a lot of sense. Geez, overkill much? Buffy was just one single slayer, and managed to keep a lid on a Hellmouth for 7 years. Wouldn't it have been a much better use of all these slayers to assign them to 250-500 different cities around the world, and trust that one-or-two-slayers-per would be able to keep each city's underworld problems in check? I'm honestly not sure whether to chalk that up to a mistake on Joss's part, due to him being Creative Writer Guy and not necessarily Super Strategist Man, or if he did think of it and this version just made more sense for the particular story he wanted to tell... |
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Post by Rebecca on Aug 13, 2009 17:25:25 GMT -5
And I still continue to be mystified by this "logic" that Buffy is somehow less special now that she's not the only Slayer (well, 1 of only 2). Fer Chrissakes, it wasn't her powers that made her special!! It was what she did with them! It was her being her, just the fact that she's Buffy! I think this is exactly what Buffy herself needs to realize, and soon. |
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Post by drgreenevil on Aug 22, 2009 1:04:44 GMT -5
I have a feeling the slayer spell will be reversed after the "great battle that banishes all demons and magics from this world" has happened. Probably end of season nine.
I'm kinda indifferent to it. It was kinda cool in the show and it served its purpose. But they really haven't done anything with it.
Also I kinda look at it like this... just because you can be a slayer doesn't mean you should.
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Post by The Night Lord on Aug 22, 2009 2:03:47 GMT -5
Well, we all know that the end of magic will come, which therefore means the end of the Slayer line, at least until Fray's timeline. So, without retconning Fray's storyline, the end of Slayers is going to happen or at least it's what has to happen so Fray's world doesn't get mucked up
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Post by Beaumonde on Aug 22, 2009 5:21:08 GMT -5
I have a feeling the slayer spell will be reversed after the "great battle that banishes all demons and magics from this world" has happened. Probably end of season nine. it should definitely be reversed if magic and demons do become banished, since magic is the only thing giving these girls their slayer powers Buffy can't really stop magic being banished, can she? she saw the future, so she can't change what she saw, because that is what's going to happen. because it's the future and what you see then, is what you're gonna get. but then i find that kind of sad that Willow turns to dark magic again. i really don't like how they dealt with the new slayers either why are they in Scotland anyway? surely the main crew should of headed for the hellmouth in Cleveland |
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