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Post by Smashed on Aug 7, 2009 16:48:43 GMT -5
Do you want the slayer spell to be reversed in S8? I do. I think that ever since they did the slayer spell, the whole thing has become very unBuffy. I enjoy some of the issues, but I think that everything has been thrown off by the slayer spell. Opinions?
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Post by nickb123 on Aug 7, 2009 17:13:41 GMT -5
No I don't want the spell reversed. It's so weird for me. Reversing it just FEELS wrong. I understand that every girl who could have the power, SHOULD have the power... but the difference with Slayers is that they have no choice in being chosen. But I think that's what the Chain showed us - you can either feel the tug of the chain of Slayer responsibility and act or ignore it. Being the Slayer isn't just a right, it's a responsibility - and so girls should accept their role. But then again, Buffy is the architect of this, and a part of you thinks that she had no right making handing out the duty like she did. It's a real moral dilemma, but I support what Buffy did and like the Slayer army thing. It sucks for some girls who never asked to be chosen, but they did so they now need to heed the chain and act. Losing the Slayer army would be a disaster.
I also like that there's loads of new Slayers, it helps separate the comic series from the TV show - and I actually enjoy that. There's no point trying to keep something the same for nostalgia's sake, evolving the story and its premise was necessary with the destruction of Sunnydale.
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Post by Smashed on Aug 7, 2009 17:27:10 GMT -5
No I don't want the spell reversed. It's so weird for me. Reversing it just FEELS wrong. I understand that every girl who could have the power, SHOULD have the power... but the difference with Slayers is that they have no choice in being chosen. But I think that's what the Chain showed us - you can either feel the tug of the chain of Slayer responsibility and act or ignore it. Being the Slayer isn't just a right, it's a responsibility - and so girls should accept their role. But then again, Buffy is the architect of this, and a part of you thinks that she had no right making handing out the duty like she did. It's a real moral dilemma, but I support what Buffy did and like the Slayer army thing. It sucks for some girls who never asked to be chosen, but they did so they now need to heed the chain and act. Losing the Slayer army would be a disaster. I also like that there's loads of new Slayers, it helps separate the comic series from the TV show - and I actually enjoy that. There's no point trying to keep something the same for nostalgia's sake, evolving the story and its premise was necessary with the destruction of Sunnydale. To be fair, I never said that I wanted everything to stay the same for nostalgia. I don't particularly enjoy reading season 8. Don't get me wrong, I loved the old comics. I own every one of them. There's something about the slayer spell that put me off. Buffy always had a sense of reality to it. It dealt with supernatural things as a metaphor. You can look at slayer-ness as being an outcast, magic as a drug (or lesbian love ), or whatever you take it as. It seemed that things had a deeper meaning that helped connect with it. It was a tight circle of friends that had problems, good times, and always made it through the day. I feel like ever since they made every potential a slayer, it diminished that. I don't feel like I can relate to a girl that is a statistic or the most powerful witch in the western hemisphere. I don't feel like this Buffy is Buffy and I don't enjoy it. The cast went from a small ensemble to random extras and slayer popping up, while we barely get to see Willow. Take it as you may. You may be able to find a deeper meaning in the slayer business, but I certainly cant --- or at least one that I can relate to.
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Post by butters on Aug 7, 2009 17:56:00 GMT -5
YES! This slayer army crap is really making me not like Buffy at all anymore. When it was the one (2) awsome, now im so bored with it.
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Post by Smashed on Aug 7, 2009 18:04:12 GMT -5
YES! This slayer army crap is really making me not like Buffy at all anymore. When it was the one (2) awsome, now im so bored with it. Yay! I SO agree with you. I think it would be best for all of the slayers powers to be reversed (except Buffy and Faith). I much preferred the chosen two to the chosen two-thousand.
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Post by Randi Giles on Aug 7, 2009 18:08:10 GMT -5
I'm not sure. Its cool having alot of slayers all over the world protecting the innocent instead of just one or two. Then again for me really only Buffy and Faith are real slayers and their thunder is kind of being stolen away from them. Sooo...whatever.
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Post by butters on Aug 7, 2009 18:08:55 GMT -5
There is just absolutley nothing special about being a slayer or being THE slayer anymore. Im really at the point that im rooting for Twilight. Give me back my old Buffy!
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Post by Hallow Thorn on Aug 7, 2009 18:09:43 GMT -5
Yes, I would like it very much to be reversed in Season 8/9, I just don't feel anything for the Slayers... I like the 'only one girl in the world with the power..' (Well 2 after season 2) but thats it. I wouldn't say that I want them all to die (Leah/Dana/Vi/Slayers from 'After the fall'/Alexia- if she was sired, Melaka Fray... But I would like the Spell to be reversed... But then again if we ever see an Aussie Slayer I might change my mind lol...
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Post by butters on Aug 7, 2009 18:33:16 GMT -5
I just don't feel anything for the Slayers... Thats what im saying, i could care less about any of them. Get ur mojo going Willow!
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Post by underworld on Aug 7, 2009 19:57:31 GMT -5
I loved the idea of the original spell in series 7. It was real female empowerment and also meant that now the weight of battle could be taken solely from Buffy's shoulders. It was a great conclusion to the series as it opened up so many possiblities.
That being said the way Joss has played it out in the comics, and the implications the spell has on the balance of Good Vs Evil, it looks likely that the spell will be reversed.
On a more practical level, the comics work best when there is a smaller cast to concentrate on and at the moment there are too many preipheral characters from the Slayer Army kicking around. So yeah, I think a reversal of the spell would be a good thing.
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Post by buffystar on Aug 7, 2009 20:11:47 GMT -5
I actually like the Slayer Army. It was four years since the end of Buffy until the start of Season 8 started. And I'd feel really awkward with having one (2) Slayers again. However, like butters said. There's nothing special about being a Slayer nowadays-well, if you count out the part of being a part of something bigger.. But when there was one Slayer, you'd basically be bowed down to. Now, killing a Slayer is like "Psh. I killed one myself. Show me a real Slayer." Even though I like the army, I really wouldn't care if the Slayers loose or keep their powers.
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Post by AndrewCrossett on Aug 7, 2009 20:42:01 GMT -5
I like the spell and the new dimensions it has added to the story. No, it's not like the TV show anymore, but it was never supposed to be. The TV show is over and the story has moved on.
The Slayer Spell was used by Joss as a symbol of female empowerment, so he's not likely to just undo it... unless in doing so he can convey an even more powerful message. I've said before that undoing the spell would work in the story only if the Slayers then went on to win anyway, calling on their own strength and skill. Having them achieve their goals through their own merits rather than relying on magic spells and gadgets. That would fit well with Joss's humanist beliefs and actually strengthen the feminist message of the story, I think.
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Post by Joe on Aug 7, 2009 20:51:06 GMT -5
Yes, I'm kinda sick of all 500 slayers Buffy has to be in charge of. Lol.. sorry guys. I do, however could live with Buffy, Faith, Satsu, and Kennedy keep their powers.
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Post by Wyndam on Aug 7, 2009 20:54:07 GMT -5
I have a feeling that Buffy will disband her Slayer army at the end of Season 8. We have seen already how forming the Slayers into an army has cost quite a bit of lives, and we have also seen (in #21) how Buffy has become disillusioned to the whole thing. So I think she'll disband the army and let everyone either go back to a normal life, or continue fighting evil if they want, but just not as one entity.
I doubt the Slayers will be de-powered though, unless magic is destroyed and that de-powers the Slayers somehow. I personally don't mind either way if the Slayers lose their powers, just as long as the story is good.
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Post by hitnrun017 on Aug 7, 2009 21:03:59 GMT -5
Definitely not. It'd ruin the perfect ending for the television show. I like that consequences have come out of it, and wouldn't mind the idea of the Slayer army being no more, but I'd really hate if the entire spell was reversed.
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Post by buffyfan21 on Aug 7, 2009 21:35:46 GMT -5
I voted indifferent, simply because I'm not sure how I feel about it. On the one hand, a part of me thinks it would be cool to go back to the old days when Buffy was the only slayer (or, basically the only slayer). On the other hand, a part of me would hate to see Buffy go back to be the only one. I think she has gotten used to having this whole support group of slayers around, and I think it would be a hard adjustment for her to make if all that got reversed and she was suddenly on her own again.
At the same time, it can be argued that this whole slayer spell has done much more harm than good. I am talking in terms of women who don't know what to do with their new found power and end up abusing it and using it for evil means. Because, is there anything more potentially dangerous than an evil slayer?
It can also be argued, however, that a world full if slayers has done a lot of good, and this is also true. As much as Buffy and the gang are already going through this season, I just don't know if seeing the spell reversed would be the best thing.
So, right now I'll just say that I am torn on the issue.
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Post by nickb123 on Aug 8, 2009 5:50:38 GMT -5
I feel like ever since they made every potential a slayer, it diminished that. I don't feel like I can relate to a girl that is a statistic or the most powerful witch in the western hemisphere. I don't feel like this Buffy is Buffy and I don't enjoy it. The cast went from a small ensemble to random extras and slayer popping up, while we barely get to see Willow. Take it as you may. You may be able to find a deeper meaning in the slayer business, but I certainly cant --- or at least one that I can relate to. I think it's a natural progression though. Buffy did move from high school girl grudgingly accepting responsibility while also towing the line to retain independence. As the show moved on, she began to accept her role more entirely, and by Season 5 reached the resolution that she actively wanted to learn more about Slayers, no longer at a point where she was forced to by her Watcher. In Season 7, she reached a point where she was training other girls - something I never imagined Season 1 Buffy ever doing - and that's why Buffy rocks. So now in Season 8, it just seems like further progression that Buffy should now be looking out for the Slayers, and it just works IMO. I love meeting new Slayers in the story too, someone like Aiko had a great entrance albeit not for long, while the Gigi story was brilliant. Not that many new Slayers have been brought into the limelight, so in that sense I don't see how it has taken anything from the main cast - there's been a lot of development there. Maybe it just depends on the storytelling, but I like that the characters are in a brave new world situation in the comics - cause that just feels right with the transition from TV to comic book that that world should be different and grander.
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Post by drusillacakes on Aug 8, 2009 6:04:54 GMT -5
I also like that there's loads of new Slayers, it helps separate the comic series from the TV show - and I actually enjoy that. There's no point trying to keep something the same for nostalgia's sake, evolving the story and its premise was necessary with the destruction of Sunnydale. Ditto-- I like that the slayer army keeps the show separate from the comic. It would've been virtually impossible to have a slayer army if there was a televised s8. However, if I had my choice, I'd want to go back to the old lineage. Being a slayer is special, and it's hard to learn or care about each slayer's story when there are 1000 of them.
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Post by Neil on Aug 8, 2009 9:44:55 GMT -5
Well, I don´t know how long they can toy around with an idea of so many slayers in the world. It was a good, and in case of "getting bigger"-development, and natural development, but I´m fine, if season nine would concentrate on a smaller group.
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Post by balesthebloody on Aug 8, 2009 20:23:33 GMT -5
I don't want to see the spell as a whole reversed, that would cause too much pain and loss for the team. I think there should however be a way to take the power away from some of the girls that don't want it.
The only way I would want to see the spell reversed is if Willow did it to save the girls. I really think that in the coming issues we are going to see Willow take charge and man(or woman) up!
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