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Post by buffyfan21 on Jul 10, 2009 0:25:32 GMT -5
Have to add that I really loved the "we are as gods" flashback. Made me chuckle.  Also loved the Buffy/Willow, Fish/bird glamor thing in the beginning. Also, I started thinking about this earlier in the Giles appreciation thread and wanted to bring it up here. I was talking about Giles being the father figure of the group and then I started thinking about how Giles and faith have been spending a lot of time together this season, working together, etc. Could it be that Giles will become a father figure to Faith as well? She clearly needs one. And even though Buffy has an issue with the two of them working together, I really think that Giles can be a positive influence on Faith, providing her with the guidance she so desperately needs (asking her to kill Genevieve notwithstanding, obviously). With Giles and Faith working together I could certainly see them developing more of a bond. |
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Post by stakey on Jul 10, 2009 13:24:55 GMT -5
Finally got my copy today!
Loved it.
My only complaint is the few Andrew pages that felt randomly tacted on with the appearance of Warren. Wasn't too keen on that couple of pages. But I didnt exactly hate them either. I just had to flick back and reread them as I thought the slayer he was talking to was actualluy buffy and was rather confused.
LOVED the Faith/Giles parts. Jeanty is the master of Faiths likeness, and the panel with her and giles in the train carriage was my favourite in the issue.
It was very action filled which I didnt expect seeing as the first issue of each arc usually just sets up the action for later.
And of course...Oz: 'Huh.' Brilliant!
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Post by wytchcroft on Jul 10, 2009 16:54:25 GMT -5
Great episode, the Andrew scenes flowed on nicely from P&P and Espensen gave us Giles back after Safe bungled him somewhat. I thought some of the panels/scenes were so filmic it was just a joy. ok, um, i've lurked here like forever - and i won't be posting much, but i wanted to say, this is a fine fine site, y'all deserve the karma you can hoard  |
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Post by CowboyGuy on Jul 10, 2009 17:00:27 GMT -5
Great episode, the Andrew scenes flowed on nicely from P&P and Espensen gave us Giles back after Safe bungled him somewhat. I thought some of the panels/scenes were so filmic it was just a joy. ok, um, i've lurked here like forever - and i won't be posting much, but i wanted to say, this is a fine fine site, y'all deserve the karma you can hoard Thanks for the compliment. It's nice that you decided to come out of lurking for a bit. Looking forward to your posts, sporadic as they might be. |
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Post by wytchcroft on Jul 10, 2009 17:29:59 GMT -5
cheers |
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Post by henzINNIT on Jul 11, 2009 4:33:29 GMT -5
I read up to the new massive Warren plot hole and had to put it away for a while. Why does Joss keep raping his own continuity? It makes me sad  |
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Post by wytchcroft on Jul 11, 2009 7:10:44 GMT -5
I read up to the new massive Warren plot hole and had to put it away for a while. Why does Joss keep raping his own continuity? It makes me sad It wasn't by Joss. There is no Warren plot hole*. Isn't 'raping' a little extreme? *not THIS time LOL! |
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Post by diabeticdude202 on Jul 11, 2009 10:49:04 GMT -5
I know everyones entitled to say what they want on here, but don't you think you're being a little bit overdramatic?
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Post by butters on Jul 11, 2009 12:26:45 GMT -5
Ugh, i finally got my order from TFAW but instead of Buffy 26 it has Angel 23 (which i already got last week) now i have to wait longer. This is going to drive me crazy!
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Post by AndrewCrossett on Jul 11, 2009 13:13:39 GMT -5
I think these problems stem from the fact that Joss was so distracted during season 7, with "Angel" and trying to keep "Firefly" afloat. He was less hands-on during that time, and so more liable to forget plot details from that period. (I'm not sure whether the problematic bit of dialog originated with Joss or Jane, but the fact is it slipped past both of them and Scott as well.)
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Post by henzINNIT on Jul 12, 2009 8:09:58 GMT -5
I know everyones entitled to say what they want on here, but don't you think you're being a little bit overdramatic? You're right, we are; and no, not really. The previous Warren mistake was pretty bad, but this new one takes the piss. Are we supposed to assume now that the writers don't know who the villain was last season? Joss has always cared far more about characters than making sense of the plot, but this is really lazy writing that is creating problems where there shouldn't be. What is sad is that I thought (for some reason) that Joss may make the effort to fix the first problem in dialogue somewhere. Suffice to say, this was an unexpected shock. |
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Post by Skytteflickan88 on Jul 12, 2009 11:50:13 GMT -5
Okay, first off; what does ”ee-may oo-tay” mean? I never learned how to speak that. And has anyone asked Allie what wicca-slayers are? Witches who work with the slayers or people who were chosen but do magic instead of combat? I find it sort of weird that Twilight tracks the Slayers by magic...but doesn't he want to end the use of magic? So how would he track the Slayers anymore? Is he even really going after the Slayers? I thought he could just track the magic, not the slayers. He knows Willow is using magic to hide the slayers, which means if he feels the magic, he knows where they all are. Thet theory doesn't explain how he could find Faith, Giles and Andrew's gang tough. But I think Willow meant that Twilight could track her magic, not the potential magickness of the slayers. * * Faith said that it was Twilight that made the demons attack. I get that it was in a heated sutuation and no other scoobies had time to correct or agree with her, but I wonder if Buffy and the others immedatly assume it was Twilight that attacked or if they have info. Of course, after Willow did the torturing(on a potential innocent demon who was supposebly forced to attack them) they knew more. But are we so sure that slayers are considered magical? Considering that demons were banished (mentioned in Fray), and that Slayers were imbued with a demon's essence, then yes, they probably are magical. Also, since the imbuing process was magical rape of sorts, and that Willow's spell to activate all Potentials was well, magical, I'll argue that yes, Slayers are considered somewhat magical. For about 200 years, there was a gap in the Slayer lineage, with Mel being the first one called in a couple of centuries. My guess is that had to do with all magic being banished, at least for a time. We assume that demons counts as magical, but they might not be, which measn that slayers don't have to be magical. Magic was used to force the demon essence into the slayers, which mean teye have some sort of demon-thing in them, but not neccassarily magic. AMAZING issue. Finally we're getting all the dread and danger that PaP was supposed to demonstrate to us. Two small problems I have though: Warren talking about killing Jonathan to become gods....that wasn't Warren, it was the First. So...splainy? I guess we have to fanwank that one. Twilight knows a lot about Buffy, and maybe about Andrew as well. Which means he might know about The First's manipulation. Really suck-y plot hole tough. I don't think magic can be completely controlled, ever. But yeah, in Chosen I guess we were supposoe to get some sort of ”Willow's fine now” closure, but in Season 8, we still see the consequences of her magic abuse. Maybe he meant they she had to stop for now, until they had killed Twilight or found a better way to hide? They can't be naive enough to think she can just stop, can they? Now the best scene had to be between Giles and Buffy when talking about Willow, its something that has been building throughout the season. Giles has no idea about Willow eventually turning dark again, but now he does (well to an extent) and he is wondering why Buffy is allowing her to do it anyway if thats how Twilight is tracking them. But they just found out that that's how they were being tracked. Buffy didn't know before the fight. And in that scene they're dealing with it. Loved the Buffy/Giles interaction, and Buffy confessing her Willow fears to him. This makes the Willow/Dark Willow imagery in the Dark Horse Presents comic clearer. But I did like to see Willow getting nasty with the demons. They deserve it. Even if they were forced to fight? Why has Faith become anti-magic all of a sudden? What she said "about being done" really came out of nowhere. Too bad, it could have been a perfect issue. Of course she's going to dislike standing on a roof-top while others are down there, fighting, while she watches. Doesn't necassarily have anything to do with magic, she misght just want to fight. The magic that Willow was pretty much in charge of killed that girl and there wasn't an ounce of remorse from her. Even in battle, that's totally un-Willow. The look on Buffy's face speaks volumes too. Which look on Buffy's face? While re-reading the issue for about the sixth time just now, I noticed the background of the panel where Buffy and Giles are hugging. Faith is waving hello to Willow and Kennedy. Willow gives her a pleasant smile, but Kennedy is giving her a really nasty look. Wonder what that's all about? General jelaousy I guess. Just remember how Kennedy threatened to kill Buffy in TOYL. She's the jeloaus type. And heh, no comments on all that voice-analysis stuff, huh? All that looking up of episodes and credited writers was wasted. I thought it was interesting to read. Good girl.  I have a question regarding the "Warren plot hole". You know how we were never sure if it was really Joyce or The First that came to Buffy in Conversations with Dead People? Was it ever said if Warren was The First or not? I don't remember. I'm pretty sure Jane Espenson confirmed it was the first, not Joyce. And atleast all the characters in Season 7 thought it was the first, not warren. Yeah it was confirmed to be the First Besides it had to been, he had skin and Jonathon couldn't see him. Actually, Amy could have used magic to make a fake Warren, only seen by Andrew. So it's not impossible. Just not likely. -I'm really loving the Faith/Giles relationship. But something that I am a bit squirmy on is the question "Why is Giles involved with this?" Now I ask the question because in season seven, he fought his war, taught his slayer everything, and was pretty much done in that area of Watcher-ness. Giles wants to fight on the side of good, so it makes no sense if he suddenly stopped working with and guiding slayers. Why wouldn't he see Warren? Or do you mean; How he knew it was Warren? Can't be that many skinless men walking around, so I think Andrew just assumed. And he still has the same eye-color(I guess). |
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Post by wenxina on Jul 12, 2009 12:05:05 GMT -5
Okay, first off; what does ”ee-may oo-tay” mean? I never learned how to speak that. It means "Me too" in pig Latin. I had to check with a friend who speaks fluent pig Latin with her sisters. It's in reference to the comment that Posey (one of the Slayers) can speak/read Latin. And has anyone asked Allie what wicca-slayers are? Witches who work with the slayers or people who were chosen but do magic instead of combat? I doubt you'd get a straight answer from him, considering his reply a while back about how certain details don't need straight answers, so as to keep them open-ended enough for use in the future. I find it sort of weird that Twilight tracks the Slayers by magic...but doesn't he want to end the use of magic? So how would he track the Slayers anymore? Is he even really going after the Slayers? I thought he could just track the magic, not the slayers. He knows Willow is using magic to hide the slayers, which means if he feels the magic, he knows where they all are. Thet theory doesn't explain how he could find Faith, Giles and Andrew's gang tough. But I think Willow meant that Twilight could track her magic, not the potential magickness of the slayers. No, and this addresses your reply to me below too. Buffy says something to the effect that the Slayers are magickal too during her conversation with Giles. Something about how Slayers are like magick out of a box. Tangent: Does spelling "magic" with the "k" ever weird anyone out? To me, the "k" distinction is mildly superfluous. Back to the point: Slayers are considered magickal, and Twilight can trace them. Thus, it wouldn't be hard for Twilight to trace Faith (and Giles) and Andrew's squad. Btw, Skytte, I've noticed this spelling error multiple times from you, and I thought I'd point it out, just in case you haven't noticed it. "Tough" is not the same as "though". "Tough" means hard/rugged/difficult/ etc. "Though" is the word you are usually meaning, used like: "Even though I hate him, I love his smile". I don't mean to be derisive or anything, but I just thought that you'd like to know. |
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Post by henzINNIT on Jul 12, 2009 12:25:10 GMT -5
So it's called Pig Latin?
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Post by Skytteflickan88 on Jul 12, 2009 12:28:35 GMT -5
You're right, it does seem like slayers have magic(notice the lack of "k", lol). I missed that.
And thanks about "tough". I can imagine how annoying it must have been to read that. Damn h:es.
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Post by wenxina on Jul 12, 2009 12:31:21 GMT -5
Yeah, Pig Latin. And if anyone cares to read it, here's the Wiki article. |
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Post by Mathieu on Jul 12, 2009 12:31:51 GMT -5
1. I'd also like to know more about wicca-slayers. Are they witches that became slayers? Or slayers that do magic as a hobby?
2. Thanks for pointing out the weird spelling in "magick". Most people add a "k"... but looks kind of unecessary to me! Superfluous is what comes to mind indeed.
3. I think she just got used to mistyping "though" when typing fast. Because honestly it's hard to confuse tough with though.
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Post by Kratos on Jul 12, 2009 12:36:22 GMT -5
You're right, it does seem like slayers have magic(notice the lack of "k", lol). I missed that. I thought the whole idea of slayers is that they get their power from magic. The first slayer was created by being infused with demon power through magic. It's not like the slayers earned their powers in a realistic way like hitting the gym a lot. I think this is just how the Buffyverse is, almost everything supernatural is connected trough magic. Vampires being a good example of completely magical creatures. |
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Post by Skytteflickan88 on Jul 12, 2009 12:39:02 GMT -5
So it's called Pig Latin? ats-they ool-cay I have no idea what you just said. *googling* edit- No way I'm learning that, too hard. You're right, it does seem like slayers have magic(notice the lack of "k", lol). I missed that. I thought the whole idea of slayers is that they get their power from magic. The first slayer was created by being infused with demon power through magic. It's not like the slayers earned their powers in a realistic way like hitting the gym a lot. I think this is just how the Buffyverse is, almost everything supernatural is connected trough magic. Vampires being a good example of completely magical creatures. I guess I just don't want to label things and call all demons magical. I mean they're different species and I bet many of them aren't more magical than a bunny(of course, some bunnies can do hat-tricks...). I just assumed that just because slayers were demonic doesn't mean they're magical. I guess I was wrong. Not that I know exactly what magic is but you know... |
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Post by wenxina on Jul 12, 2009 12:39:14 GMT -5
2. Thanks for pointing out the weird spelling in "magick". Most people add a "k"... but looks kind of unecessary to me! Superfluous is what comes to mind indeed. The "k" distinction, I was informed, is to distinguish between "pulling a rabbit out of a hat" magic, and the more serious "magick" used for well, whatever the heck is shown in BtVS and Angel. I do think it's superfluous, but since the source material uses it, I'll respect it and use it too. When in Rome... |
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