juniorwatcher
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Post by juniorwatcher on Jan 6, 2008 4:31:51 GMT -5
Knowing Buffy writers they're trying to make us think that it's someone we'd least expect, but they'll probably turn it around and make it someon we never thought of, who is working for someone we least expected who is under the control of someone we never thought of, or...I have no idea what i'm talking about, all I know is is that we're most likely in for a surprise...
so my top choices:
Dawn Giles Willow Xander Riley Buffy herself
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Post by Giant Michael on Jan 6, 2008 13:56:26 GMT -5
It could still be Willow, but from what I know of Willow and her history, she wouldn't do something like that to Buffy. And she's not a liar. Wasn't one of the key themes of season six the fact that Willow was lying to everyone around her, turning her into a big honking heroin magic addict? I understand that you like Willow - she's one of my favourites, too - but this relentless defense of everything she does seems to fly in the face of what makes her interesting as a character. Indeed, the characters that go the distance in the Jossverse tend to be the ones who are morally grey, who make mistakes and don't always own up to them; at least four* of the regular Scoobies have killed more than once, remember. MB x * Willow (Warren and Rack), Giles (once as Ripper, and Ben), Spike and Anya, for the record
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Post by CowboyGuy on Jan 6, 2008 20:58:04 GMT -5
I don't think Willow in her right state of mind would ever hurt Buffy. She did say she'd never betray her anymore than she already has...meaning what happened post Season 5. And keeping Kennedy away, etc.
I just don't see it being Willow. You know, I have been watching Season 5 and Buffy does tell Riley that he knows her in ways no one else does...
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Post by alycat7 on Jan 6, 2008 21:07:39 GMT -5
i doupt its willow. she's already been the big bad once, i dont think that will happen again. Right now, Dawn seems most likely to sell out her sister.
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Post by commandercool on Jan 6, 2008 22:37:20 GMT -5
Joss has remarked several times that Tony Head has always wanted to be a bad guy. He pushed for Giles to turn bad throughout the series.Supposedly, when he first read the season 7 scripts, he was excited because he thougth that the First would take Gile's form and he would get to be a bad man. He was dissapointed when Joss told him that his character had to die before The First could copy him. Maybe now Joss is giving him his wish...
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General Zod
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Post by General Zod on Jan 6, 2008 22:51:22 GMT -5
Joss has remarked several times that Tony Head has always wanted to be a bad guy. He pushed for Giles to turn bad throughout the series.Supposedly, when he first read the season 7 scripts, he was excited because he thougth that the First would take Gile's form and he would get to be a bad man. He was dissapointed when Joss told him that his character had to die before The First could copy him. Maybe now Joss is giving him his wish... His wish is to play a bad guy so I think if anything Giles going bad now would kinda be a slap in the face.
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Post by commandercool on Jan 7, 2008 22:54:50 GMT -5
I was describing "Anywhere But Here" to a contemporary of mine who is a casual Buffy fan, and after saying it out loud, I got a distinct mental picture of Willow being the traitor. I don't think she is, since she's too obvious, but I certainly think we are being led to think that she is. I connected the dots, and it seems to me that Willow is trying to consolidate her power, and after the most recent issue I can clearly picture her using it to bend reality and perhaps prevent herself from ever resurrecting Buffy to begin with. If she did, Tara would be alive, the First would never have attacked at all, and everything would be fine in her eyes. Of course, she would have to be pretty deranged to ever attempt this, but we really don't know just how unstable she is at this point.
Again, I say that I don't think this is what is really going to happen, but it seems pretty convinving as a theory. It sounded good when I said it.
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Post by faith0tvs on Jan 8, 2008 15:23:02 GMT -5
Dawn, we havent seen buffy been betrayed by her kin , even if her relastionship with her is a bit drained it would still cause major emotional scars and would perhaps force her to delve deeper in her dark path. To be quite frank Dawn and Buffy's relatonship hasnt been all that great ,infact i felt sorry for Dawn on several occasions for very few people have showed her love, wont be surprised if she betrays her sister for someone who was a bit more tender to her...
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Post by General Zod on Jan 8, 2008 17:33:42 GMT -5
I don't think it's Xander but I hope it is. He is the only one of the main cast who as never been "really bad". He has done a few things here and theere but nothing huge.
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Post by CowboyGuy on Jan 8, 2008 19:02:48 GMT -5
I'd rather it be Dawn.
I seriously think Joss will allow Xander to remain "good" and he will be the moral compass for the series. In every story there is always someone who sees the right path, and at times drops in to correct the characters who are straying.
To me, this is what Xander is set up to be. The moral compass for these kids. If they made him bad, it would really disrupt the dynamic of the whole thing, I think.
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Post by commandercool on Jan 8, 2008 20:50:53 GMT -5
I think that Xander moght betray Buffy, but only if he had no other choice. If Buffy became corrupted by all of her shiny power, he might be the only one with the guts to stop her. Otherwise, he would NEVER hurt her.
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Post by General Zod on Jan 8, 2008 20:58:18 GMT -5
I'd rather it be Dawn. I seriously think Joss will allow Xander to remain "good" and he will be the moral compass for the series. In every story there is always someone who sees the right path, and at times drops in to correct the characters who are straying. To me, this is what Xander is set up to be. The moral compass for these kids. If they made him bad, it would really disrupt the dynamic of the whole thing, I think. I don't think Xander is a moral compass he has done bad things he just doesn't have enough power to do anything serious.
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Post by Rebecca on Jan 18, 2008 18:28:00 GMT -5
After reading Issue #10 again, I think Willow will betray Buffy. Her exact words are: "No. I won't betray you. More than I have." She then goes on to express remorse for choosing Buffy over Tara, for not getting Tara out of the situation which resulted in her death. "I can't do that again... to the woman I love." I believe that Willow has already betrayed Buffy from her mystical six-month walkabout, which theoretically could put her betrayal in the future.
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Post by faith0tvs on Jan 24, 2008 6:10:31 GMT -5
In my opinion the whole " i already have " goes back in season 6 back when willow tried to kill Buffy -if thats not betrayal then what is?
I also think that the six month mystical walkabout has more to do with Tara than it has to do with Buffy...
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Post by barryshaft on Jan 24, 2008 18:32:31 GMT -5
I definately don't think it will be Willow, Xander, Dawn or Giles. It just wouldn't make sense. The one thing this series has always been is consistent with it's characters. Even if they did bad things, or made immoral choices it was perfectly in line with their character's past motivation. Sure Willow was bad, but there was definately mitigating circumstances around that one. The writers wouldn't just throw it out of left field just for the hell of it.
People are making way too big a deal out of this betrayal, I just don't think we have enough of the story to guess yet.
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Post by roguewarrior on Jan 24, 2008 23:02:31 GMT -5
in the 7th season the First(or was it Mrs.Summers?) said that Buffy would betray Dawn. I don't remember that ever happening. so it could be nothing. but if anyone does betray Buffy I'd prefer it if it was Riley or Faith. breaking up the scoobie gang would be just evil.
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Post by sirbuffybot on Jan 25, 2008 15:45:14 GMT -5
SATSU of course.
It is. Which is sad. I liked her.
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Post by spikeluv13 on Jan 26, 2008 17:46:19 GMT -5
I have come to this conclusion: It is Buffy. It is Joss (or writers working under his supervision...you get my point). ANYTHING can happen. I have no idea who it will be. They have all hurt one another in some form or another. They all kicked Buffy out of her own house in season 7, when she was RIGHT and had saved the world more than a few times and saved their lives even more than that.....ANYONE of them could betray her. They already have at one point!
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Post by buffysmglover on Jan 27, 2008 0:29:19 GMT -5
Didn't Georges say the name started witha B? That leaves Buffy
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Post by commandercool on Jan 27, 2008 17:32:04 GMT -5
Or Batman. Only Batman is capable of beating the holy crap out of a slayer that thouroughly.
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