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Post by Emmie on Mar 24, 2008 1:03:59 GMT -5
I went back and reread all of Season 8 because the question of who Twilight is was just bugging me - so I went looking for evidence.
I'm still no closer to making an educated guess on who Twilight is but I do believe Buffy finally has an enemy on par with Wolfram, Ram & Hart in terms of being a master manipulator.
Twilight has:
-the new age Initiative at his beck and call -a mole in Slayer Central -subordinates who he uses like chess pieces (Roden and subsequently Gigi)
The past two story arcs were actually orchestrated by Twilight...makes me wonder if Twilight didn't have these Japanese vamps steal the scythe (i'm thinking yes he did!).
It had been assumed that Twilight was someone Buffy knew because during their battle in 'A beautiful sunset' he said he'd seen that move before and hated to see her cry. But maybe he's been watching her for a long time...his sacrificing his subordinates to those demons in the first scene of Long Way Home seems merely an exercise to allow him to observe her and how she fights (a la Spike in 'Halloween').
Is there other evidence to indicate that Buffy knows Twilight?
Its very interesting to me that considering how easily Twilight could kill Buffy, he chooses to attack her moral conviction and manipulate her team's relationships (ie Giles and Faith w/the rest of the group). Seems like Twilight needs her to do something in order for him to ultimately triumph.
If Twilight is someone Buffy knows, the question is who would be so adept at manipulation that he could orchestrate all these events?
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Post by xmadxscientistx on Mar 24, 2008 4:33:55 GMT -5
Like I was thinking before, do we have a picture that allows comparison in height between Twilight and Buffy, or any other character we could get a scale off of? That would be invaluable if we were trying to find someone Buffy knows.
It's also fairly safe to say Twillight is white and humanoid, but not necessarily human. He has the ability to fly and super strength. These are things that some one like Riley wouldn't have access to.
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Post by CowboyGuy on Mar 24, 2008 8:16:22 GMT -5
The only reason I assume he is someone we know is because he is masked. The only time a character dons a mask is when they want to hide their identity from the world. Why would he hide unless it is a character Buffy knows?
Also, having no clear eye holes in the mask makes it so that it could be literally any male...Xander included.
He is shown in Issue 11 to be quite big and much taller than Buffy.
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Post by iloveromy on Mar 24, 2008 14:17:59 GMT -5
Anyone else see the costume resemblance of Twilight to Spike? The coat and the boots. It could be a future Spike. This would explain why he had the scythe in after the fall (flash forward) and would explain why Twilight would know that move Buffy used on Caleb in Chosen. Spike was there spying on her. Maybe something happens to Spike in the future and comes back to stop Buffy.
Ehh, it's all I got.
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Post by Jinxieman on Mar 24, 2008 17:47:42 GMT -5
Ethan is wearing a very similar outfit in the Long Way Home arc. I'm still thinking it's Ethan as I have posted in other threads.
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Post by postitnote on Mar 24, 2008 23:15:25 GMT -5
Along lines of the outfit similarities: see Giles in 'Grave.'
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Post by balesthebloody on Mar 24, 2008 23:24:48 GMT -5
Twilight has, in my opinion, has to be someone we know. Like CBG said Joss wouldn't make him masked if he was someone we didn't know. Now who it is I don't know about that, but everything seems to point to Riley. Joss is a master of manipulation sometimes and I am sure we will be swayed away from Riley as Twilight and back again.
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Post by sire on Mar 24, 2008 23:44:32 GMT -5
Does any body miss the good old days when the big bad was an original new character... With each old resurected character i fear this comic will get more shark jumpy
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Post by ded1 on Mar 25, 2008 18:28:34 GMT -5
Posted by CowboyGuy on Yesterday at 9:16
Maybe he's masked to make everyone assume that it is someone we know.perhaps when it comes time to unmask him,the first thing they want us to think is "who the hell is this"
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Post by Wyndam on Mar 25, 2008 20:38:10 GMT -5
Posted by CowboyGuy on Yesterday at 9:16 Maybe he's masked to make everyone assume that it is someone we know.perhaps when it comes time to unmask him,the first thing they want us to think is "who the hell is this" That would be way too big of a let down for the fans. The writers know this. Twilight HAS to be someone we know, because of what CBG said. He's masked. They even teased us in A Beautiful Sunset when he started to lift his mask because he had an itch. There's just no reason why the writers/Joss would disappoint us by making Twilight someone new.
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Post by richieshag89 on Mar 25, 2008 20:41:13 GMT -5
i reeeeeheheheeeally want it to be someone new but i think its ethan still also
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Post by barryshaft on Mar 25, 2008 20:50:02 GMT -5
I want it to be someone new as well, but at this point it's impossible that it's not someone we already know. The mask-reveal would have happened long before now if it hadn't been intended as a cover-up.
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Post by xmadxscientistx on Mar 25, 2008 21:56:05 GMT -5
Anyone else see the costume resemblance of Twilight to Spike? The coat and the boots. It could be a future Spike. This would explain why he had the scythe in after the fall (flash forward) and would explain why Twilight would know that move Buffy used on Caleb in Chosen. Spike was there spying on her. Maybe something happens to Spike in the future and comes back to stop Buffy. Ehh, it's all I got. I love this theory. I kind of wonder if Buffy would recognize his (or Giles's) accent, or if he could cover it somehow...
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Post by dgryphon on Mar 25, 2008 22:13:53 GMT -5
I too wish that Twilight is a new character simply because that's tradition. But I'll be happy with a returning character as the villain DEPENDING on who that character is.
Riley is a common theory, but is really talented enough to pull off all of this? He was never really all that brilliant. It's only been 2.5-3 years since we've seen him and he didn't seem to have improved much since. However, now that I think about it, wasn't he the TA for a psychology teacher? That would be a big help to the manipulator thing.
Won't be Giles b/c we've already gone the is-Giles-evil? route.
Ethan is a great option because most fans will automatically dismiss him.
And I really like iloveromy's Spike theory. It seems a little dramatic and surreal, but it might just be something that Joss would pull because it's so cool.
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Post by Rachster on Mar 25, 2008 22:20:00 GMT -5
Anyone else see the costume resemblance of Twilight to Spike? The coat and the boots. It could be a future Spike. This would explain why he had the scythe in after the fall (flash forward) and would explain why Twilight would know that move Buffy used on Caleb in Chosen. Spike was there spying on her. Maybe something happens to Spike in the future and comes back to stop Buffy. Ehh, it's all I got. this is my favorite theory... but im hoping twilight is someone new maybe the mask is just to keep us guessing joss has always been good at that..
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Post by iloveromy on Mar 27, 2008 18:21:23 GMT -5
Anyone else see the costume resemblance of Twilight to Spike? The coat and the boots. It could be a future Spike. This would explain why he had the scythe in after the fall (flash forward) and would explain why Twilight would know that move Buffy used on Caleb in Chosen. Spike was there spying on her. Maybe something happens to Spike in the future and comes back to stop Buffy. Ehh, it's all I got. this is my favorite theory... but im hoping twilight is someone new maybe the mask is just to keep us guessing joss has always been good at that.. Maybe the Initiative didn't just take the chip out. maybe they did something else as well.
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Post by vipertm on Mar 28, 2008 22:17:11 GMT -5
I had a weird theory a while ago that Twilight was Oz. Just based on the cover for Wolves at the Gate 1, the half were wolf / human thing is wearing the same belt-strap thing that Twilight wears which means that Tilight could be a were wolf / a vampire with all those abailities (which would be nice to have th ebig bad go back to being a vamp). And Oz could fit build of Twilight (white male, height-ish). He's someone that knows Buffy. We don't know what happened to him when he went away and learned how to control his wolfishness (possible hatred towards magic and super natural things because he became a were wolf). He's someone that wouldn't hurt Buffy based on their past, and he's someone that has ties to the military / initiative (well not really but he was captured by them).
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Post by littleshiva on Mar 29, 2008 0:02:58 GMT -5
Anyone else see the costume resemblance of Twilight to Spike? The coat and the boots. It could be a future Spike. This would explain why he had the scythe in after the fall (flash forward) and would explain why Twilight would know that move Buffy used on Caleb in Chosen. Spike was there spying on her. Maybe something happens to Spike in the future and comes back to stop Buffy. Ehh, it's all I got. I love this theory. I kind of wonder if Buffy would recognize his (or Giles's) accent, or if he could cover it somehow... I've got a theory...it could be demons... I don't buy Future Spike as an option. Why would he want to end all magic? Or hurt Buffy, at this point? Or do anything that didn't directly help himself? Spike (and Angel) aren't even options here. Here are the most likely offenders, in my opinion: 1. Riley. Yes, yes, I know, we've all said it already. But think how awesome that would be! Joss would finally have a chance to redeem his suckiest character's suckiness, it would explain the super-Initiative business, and Riley's ideology has always been fundamentally opposed to Buffy's--it's why their relationship didn't work. He thought demons and magic were at odds with humankind, while Buffy knew there were gray areas. 2. Harth. With the introduction of Fray in the upcoming arc, and the fact that Harth's original Big Bad plan involved opening holes between worlds and restoring some kind of "old order," I think he's a suspect. 3. Caleb. His death in "Chosen" wasn't quite conclusive. Also, Buffy did the scythe/crotch move on him, he's a chauvinist pig, and obviously very quick to fall prey to completely misguided forces/ideas (see: The First.) These are the only three choices that would satisfy me, honestly, in order of preference. A Xander or Giles betrayal would be some serious shark-jumpage, and really out of character. Though they may have had their differences with Buffy, they've always acted in the best interest of the world. Giles has more than a slight connection with the mystical--ending magic? Not his thing. And Xander's just not that conniving. Dude doesn't have an evil bone in his body, and he's utterly loyal to Buffy.
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Post by Magician Named Gosh on Mar 29, 2008 0:23:31 GMT -5
Maybe Twilight is a dancing women hating flying demon?... No...something isn't right there.
...HE COULD BE A BUNNY! Or maybe a midget.
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Post by stakey on Mar 29, 2008 9:46:17 GMT -5
Anyone else see the costume resemblance of Twilight to Spike? The coat and the boots. It could be a future Spike. This would explain why he had the scythe in after the fall (flash forward) and would explain why Twilight would know that move Buffy used on Caleb in Chosen. Spike was there spying on her. Maybe something happens to Spike in the future and comes back to stop Buffy. Ehh, it's all I got. the theory of spike also links to comments made by twilight in beautiful sunset. the scythe between the legs move which he says i already know that move links as spike was in the crypt at that moment...remember. once buffy and angel kissed it showed spike lurking in the shadows. Plus the whole I hate to see you cry thing links to spike.
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