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Post by Rebecca on Apr 9, 2008 15:26:40 GMT -5
Hahah, first, I'm not a dude.
Second, who cares who people know about at his very moment? That can all change by the time the reveal happens.
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Post by Skytteflickan88 on Apr 10, 2008 7:08:27 GMT -5
Twilight almost revealed himself by lifting his mask. That was a hint that we know who he is. Not that it's somebody we don't know. Really? i just thought "Joss! You damn tease, you did that on purpose!" lol
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Post by themaleslayer on Apr 10, 2008 13:49:02 GMT -5
I don't think it's riley. Looking at a picture of Riley with his whole face facing the camera, and looking at Twilight when he's scratching his neck in ABS, the chin structure of Riley is more rounded, while Twilights chin seemed a bit more square shaped that circular.
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Post by Rebecca on Apr 10, 2008 14:51:00 GMT -5
I don't think it can be concluded that it is or is not anyone on the basis of minor nuances of the penciling. We must allow for artistic license, and in addition, I don't think we've seen Jeanty's rendition of Riley in comic form for comparison. That being said, I agree with you that I don't think Twilight is Riley.
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Post by iloveromy on Apr 10, 2008 15:15:08 GMT -5
Really? i just thought "Joss! You damn tease, you did that on purpose!" lol Yes. It's a hint that we're going to be shocked when we find out who it is under the mask. If it was somebody we didn't know, he would have no need for a mask. It doesn't matter if Twilight is or isn't someone we know. For Joss to be able to pull of that tease (which he did) it only matters if he makes us THINK it's someone we know...
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Post by Rebecca on Apr 10, 2008 16:51:50 GMT -5
Well it would be an utter letdown if it was someone unknown. *at the time of the reveal.
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Post by iloveromy on Apr 10, 2008 18:11:36 GMT -5
Well it would be an utter letdown if it was someone unknown. what if it was Tara? ha ha ha.. j/k
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Post by gunsandsmoke on Apr 10, 2008 21:33:28 GMT -5
*at the time of the reveal. No. It would be lame if it was something introduced AFTER we almost saw his face. Maybe you've answered this already, but who do you think Twilight is? You seem convinced it someone we know, so Im just curious.
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Post by Rebecca on Apr 10, 2008 21:56:32 GMT -5
I think the reason for the half reveal was to get us excited and thinking about who it is... not necessarily confirming the fact that the character is someone previously introduced into the buffyverse [from the reader's perspective who, according to you, has not read Fray].
Honestly, I do see your point about the surprise factor. So far, yes, the fandom knows next to nothing about Harth. With the information presented in S8 thus far, yes, it would be an utter disappointment if Twilight turned out to be Harth, no doubt. I completely agree.
However: I won't say it couldn't be done well. Joss et al. could play up Harth in the following arc, get the fandom interested and invested in his character. Then later on in the reveal... Anyway, my point is that I think you are too quick to rule him out so decidedly.
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Post by gunsandsmoke on Apr 11, 2008 4:00:16 GMT -5
I bet you a billion imaginary dollars that it's not Harth. You just gave me a good idea... Look for a new topic to go up tomorrow.
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Post by sliceoftheslayer on Apr 11, 2008 4:15:02 GMT -5
I believe its Caleb or Riley. Caleb because of how he said " I know this move when she tried to cut him from bottom up and Riley because we haven't seen him for a while
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Post by El Diablo Robotico on Apr 11, 2008 13:37:52 GMT -5
I just re-read all 13 issues of S8 over the last couple of days, and I'm more convinced than ever now that it's Giles. Riley, Angel, Caleb, and Xander have been popular guesses for awhile, and the size is about right for any of them. Oz and Harth can pretty much be ruled out for the same reason--they're both little pipsqueaks, so unless part of their new powers was something that made them much bigger...
The problem with Riley, Caleb, Xander, or Angel is that the dialogue just doesn't fit with their established speech patterns. Twilight speaks in a very 'proper' way, which just completely clashes with how any of those four speak. And since most of Twilight's dialogue so far is in an issue written by Joss, you can assume he of all people is not gonna goof and write one of his own characters that incorrectly. On the other hand, it's DEAD-ON with the way Giles speaks. Seriously, go back and read his two appearances (issues 9 and 11) and try to imagine Tony Head's voice in your head as you're reading.
The other thing that makes me very suspicious of Giles is something I only noticed on this most recent S8 read-through. When he shows up to recruit Faith, he tells her Gigi is planning to bring about the apocalypse. Yet nothing Gigi--or even Roden--says backs this up. Gigi wants to kill Buffy and become some kind of Slayer Queen. Roden believes Twilight wants him to train a slayer who could kill all the other slayers. Okay, possibly a completely unrelated apocalypse could be brewing somewhere else that wouldn't have been able to be stopped if Buffy and/or a lot of the other slayers were dead, but that wasn't part of Gigi's plan. But that's not what Giles tells Faith.
Lastly, Twilight clearly has a lot of power, and of all the people mentinoned--Riley, Angel, Xander, Harth, Oz, Caleb--only Giles has ever been shown to have something like these abilities before. Granted, they were borrowed from a coven and weren't his, but who's to say he didn't find some way of getting them back?
And from the things he's said, Twilight obviously knows Buffy very well, understands how she thinks, and I believe only Xander, Willow, and Giles know her that well...
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Post by Rebecca on Apr 11, 2008 14:31:53 GMT -5
Some very good points El Diablo Robotico!! I have always noticed his speech patterns were more in line with Giles and Riley. Especially the "Where was I?" at the end of A Beautiful Sunset.
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Post by Emmie on Apr 11, 2008 14:40:16 GMT -5
Added a poll if people want to vote for who they think is Twilight.
El Diablo Robotico, I really like all those theories regarding Giles. I'm leaning towards him being Twilight myself.
As for Riley being Twilight, the more I consider it the more lame it sounds to me. When we finally get the reveal of who Twilight is, I'll be very disappointed if its him. Drum roll please and Twilight is...oh, its Riley. Huh...
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Post by Rebecca on Apr 11, 2008 14:45:47 GMT -5
Added a poll if people want to vote for who they think is Twilight. El Diablo Robotico, I really like all those theories regarding Giles. I'm leaning towards him being Twilight myself. As for Riley being Twilight, the more I consider it the more lame it sounds to me. When we finally get the reveal of who Twilight is, I'll be very disappointed if its him. Drum roll please and Twilight is...oh, its Riley. Huh... LOL!! Karma for you
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Post by gunsandsmoke on Apr 11, 2008 14:51:30 GMT -5
Added a poll if people want to vote for who they think is Twilight. El Diablo Robotico, I really like all those theories regarding Giles. I'm leaning towards him being Twilight myself. As for Riley being Twilight, the more I consider it the more lame it sounds to me. When we finally get the reveal of who Twilight is, I'll be very disappointed if its him. Drum roll please and Twilight is...oh, its Riley. Huh... Haha, you took my idea!... Smart move on the poll. Karma for you!
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Post by henzINNIT on Apr 11, 2008 17:22:02 GMT -5
I despise the idea of Giles being twilight, but I don't rule it out for a second.
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Post by ded1 on Apr 11, 2008 19:05:50 GMT -5
I have a few problems with Giles being Twilight.I am not ruling it out,but there are a few things that make me doubt it.
Long Way Home: They have Giles meeting with a demon to figure out what the symbol was.
No Future for You:Giles was surprised when he discovered that Buffy was in danger when he got the call from her.I figured that he,like Roden and Gigi,was being fed faulty intel.
as I said,I won't rule it out completely,but unless there is some major plot twist[like Twilight actually ends up working with the slayer(s),or Buffy's moral dilemma has her doing something that would make her appear to be an actual threat,like "going slayer" on humans] then I just don't see it.
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Post by Lord of Southside on Apr 11, 2008 20:17:29 GMT -5
I personally liked the idea of Ethan being Twilight. Hes always been a trixsy little hobbit, capable of great deception and trouble. Problem is, he looked pretty dead, what with the bullet in the head and all. Looking back at the early issues reminded me that we haven't heard from Amy and Warren for awhile...
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Post by Enisy on Apr 11, 2008 20:19:40 GMT -5
I voted for Riley, but I'm not ruling out Giles, either. Honestly, though, does the Buffyverse need yet another Bad Dad? And does Buffy look like she needs more Daddy Issues after the retconning poor Hank got in Season 5?
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